From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #280 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, November 16 2005 Volume 10 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Bananas [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy 2006 ["A. van Lammeren" ] [AVALON] Ojo Biography [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? [KWil63] RE: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? ["Marti] RE: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? ["Rob ] [AVALON] Bananas [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Ferry shoots, he scores... [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:42:47 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bananas "Almost immediately upon graduation he (Phil) shot to instant fame with the 70s glam band Roxy Music, playing third banana to Brian Eno and Brian Ferry (in that order) in a group noted more for its dress code than musical abilities". Well apart from the author's mispellings (and I've been culpable for enough of those in the past), I think Martino is mayhap oversensitive to the order. Once Eno left Roxy, the sound of the band radically changed and mainstreamed until it was produced out of existence. And anyway surely the writer refers to the amount of influence the members had in the band? Isn't that what bananas are all about? Who is top of the bunch? Sure, Ferry wrote the songs, but that aural soundscaping on the first two albums (as well as in a live context) is almost all down to the twiddling of knobs (or rather joystick) of Eno? Sure Ferry was an incomparable vocalist, but Eno was treating the instrumental contribution of the other four players (and probably Ferry's keyboards as well). As we all know, Eno went on to invent ambient music, create groundbreaking sound and vision installations, produce and co-create music for/with David Bowie, Talking Heads, U2, James (and soon Paul Simon, Travis, Grace Jones et al) while Ferry basically doodled stylishly. Surely no-one believes Eno had some kind of kick start after leaving Roxy? He was fertile and imaginative from the start and that is why eventually he had to jump (before he was pushed). The sentence seems to suggest that Eno and Ferry shared the pre-eminence throughout the 70s, while clearly this could only have been so for that short burst of energy circa 1972-3. But if we want to write an order of influence for those two pre-Jobson years, it would be Ferry/Eno, EG/Antony Price/Keith at Smile, Mackay, Manzo, Thompson, Simpson, O'List, Kenton, Porter, Bunn, Lloyd in my book. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Careless Ethiopians - Toots and the Maytals PS Sinead O'Connor/Sly & Robbie at Shepherds Bush Empire last week was brilliant concert. Wish I were attending the charity gig by Bryan Ferry and Craig David next month - Barbados in December...Ferry is all heart. Time to peel another banana! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:43:38 +0100 From: "A. van Lammeren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy 2006 Jimbo wrote, 11-nov-2005 22:57 uur: > Hi, > > Great news ..... > > http://www.bospop.nl/ > > jim. And www.vivaroxymusic.com has news on November 12th, 2005: > The Bospop Festival website have reported that Roxy Music are > to play at their festival on 2nd/3rd July 2006. For those who can't read Dutch: The festival this year was on 2nd/3rd July, but next year 2006 it will be on 8th/9th. > BOSPOP 2006: SIMPLE MINDS, SIMPLY RED & MORE > Nu al Bospop 2006 info?? Dat kan alleen maar betekenen > dat we al heel vroeg goed nieuws te melden en dat is dus > ook zo! Wat dacht je bijvoorbeeld van de Simple Minds en > Simply Red op de 2006 editie van Bospop? Of Anouk en > Roxy Music? > Deze namen zijn alvast BEVESTIGD maar uiteraard kun je > nog veel meer verwachten! > Vanaf begin december komt de nieuwe website online, > dus dan volgt meer info ... ... > De echte Bospop fans kunnen in ieder geval al zaterdag > 8 en zondag 9 juli 2006 reserveren in de agenda, dan zal > namelijk de 26ste editie van Bospop plaatsvinden!! My translation: Bospop 2006 info, now already!? This can only mean one thing: we have very good news, this early. What about Simple Minds and Simply Red at the 2006 festival? Or Anouk and Roxy Music? These names are already CONFIRMED, but of course you can expect much more! The new website will be online from early december, more info than. ... The real Bospop -but Roxy fans too I suppose, Anton- fans can reserve saturday 8th, and sunday July 9th in their agenda. The 26th edition of Bospop will be that weekend. Tara, Anton. P.S. Sorry (Martino), to be this factual. But actually I get excited with this too!! Some old Roxy Follie at: www.avl.dds.nl/roxymusic.htm - -- "I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:07:22 EST From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Ojo Biography Martin wrote : Well call me a pedant but I've spotted one or two innacuracies in "Ojo"'s authoritative biography of our bearded chum. Was Eno the band leader? Did he write any of the first album? Or even define its style, attitude and look? Did he do anything other than twiddle a few knobs and look androgynously glamourous. If we're going to start ordering bananas then I'd make it Ferry, Ferry, Ferry, Mackay, Manzo, Eno, Thompson. This kind of ill-researched tripe becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Next thing you find yourself at a dinner party with someone braying about Brian Eno's wonderful band Roxy Music. Time Avalon had a reality check on this nonsense. Hear, hear! Thank you Martin. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:01:30 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? Well done Martin for making a stand against all the unreasoned guff that makes its way to the pages of the press. It stuns me that an article that can't even spell Bryan Ferry correctly can reach publication. Did this idiot read his own work? I totally agree with Martin (and at least 99.99999% of the civilised world) that Roxy was very much Ferry's baby and to credit Eno ahead of him is plainly wrong. Did they fold after Eno left? No. Did they fold without Ferry? Yes. Can the second stage of Roxy be credited to Eddie Jobson over Ferry just because the direction of the band changed after he left? As Brian Eno twiddled some knobs (erase being the one I would have opted for) on "Wildcat Days" and "Goddess of Love", are they therefore his songs (I'm inclined to say he is welcome to them and "I Thought" which I found to my horror recently has aged very poorly since my last listen). J In a message dated 15/11/2005 08:33:02 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: Kind Regards Martin Stockman... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:16:55 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? Thanks for this J, and others who mailed me. There's always been an arrogant assumption, especially amongst UK Avalonians, that the earlier you go into the canon the more "real" it all is. When I first heard "Editions Of You", for instance, as a 16 year old I thought it was an unsurpassable piece of pop. These days I can't imagine deciding to play it. How much more interesting to revisit, say, Mamouna, an album that continues to beguile me. Or the out-takes from Bride. (Or Stranded. that none other than Brian St John The Baptsist Eno rates as the finest Roxy album! (If I'm being entirely honest I would disagree with Jonathan about "I Thought" which I think is the best twiddling that Eno has twiddled in all his twiddling life.) M _____ From: KWil632057@aol.com [mailto:KWil632057@aol.com] Sent: 15 November 2005 15:02 To: martinstockman@btinternet.com Cc: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? Well done Martin for making a stand against all the unreasoned guff that makes its way to the pages of the press. It stuns me that an article that can't even spell Bryan Ferry correctly can reach publication. Did this idiot read his own work? I totally agree with Martin (and at least 99.99999% of the civilised world) that Roxy was very much Ferry's baby and to credit Eno ahead of him is plainly wrong. Did they fold after Eno left? No. Did they fold without Ferry? Yes. Can the second stage of Roxy be credited to Eddie Jobson over Ferry just because the direction of the band changed after he left? As Brian Eno twiddled some knobs (erase being the one I would have opted for) on "Wildcat Days" and "Goddess of Love", are they therefore his songs (I'm inclined to say he is welcome to them and "I Thought" which I found to my horror recently has aged very poorly since my last listen). J In a message dated 15/11/2005 08:33:02 GMT Standard Time, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: Kind Regards Martin Stockman... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:02:06 -0000 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Phil Related Website stuff/ Whose band is it anyway? Good quality on here - excellent - first in ages. Although clearly very biased I think you have to be a special sort of clown to spell Bryan Ferry as Brian Ferry. He's a national icon how can music journalists never have seen his name written down before. And Roxy Music were/are just Bryans best backing band, except for the ATGB ensemble. So new album - where is it? BF in Barbados at Christmas? It's not coming out is it? Don't agree about "I thought" - if it was an early Roxy track it would be hailed as a classic - and it is his best recent output IMHO. Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:54:30 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bananas Martino wrote: >No point us falling out. I will ask you one question, however. If Bryan Ferry had not written >all those fabulous songs do you think the world would ever have heard of Brian Eno? No risk of falling out. But for years (more than Eno was in Roxy), Lennon and McCartney worked as Quarrymen and Silver Beatles yet never rose above jobbing musicians. But with Ringo, they were the Beatles. If the band had decided to throw Ringo out just because he was a non-musician, you think they'd have gone on to do Sgt Pepper? Without him, they'd have done Ya Ya and Frog Chorus. Oh...yes, so they did. There's no question that Ferry wrote fantastic songs (though there was some dissention in the ranks over the omission of certain (ex-) band member names within the composition credits - see David Buckley's The Thrill Of It All for details). Visually (to most rock fans), early Roxy was primarily Ferry in the FYP pub mirror and Eno's feathers and begloved joystick-twiddling hand. Not detracting from Ferry. But no man is an island (although Bryan may very well be Barbados) and the auteur approach means Ferry is no longer the tour de force he once was. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p The Still Of The Night ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:18:18 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry shoots, he scores... In support of Martino's argument, while not actually changing sides... Tim de Lisle, in this morning's Guardian G2 supplement, lists the 89 albums you should own (if that unlikely figure was the total number you have in your collection). He includes both For Your Pleasure and Avalon, as well as These Foolish Things. Also, the Brian Eno produced Fear of Music by Talking Heads and U2's The Joshua Tree get a mention. AND Low by David Bowie. But no solo albums by ONE BRAIN. So Eno could be argued to have the greatest influence, while Ferry wins hands down on the banana star status? Best wishes Richard Mills n/p the news report that Madonna "played live" at Koko last night, performing just 5 songs. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #280 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest