From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #137 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, June 13 2005 Volume 10 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Couldn't sleep some winks last night... ["A. van Lammeren" <] [AVALON] IOW photos [Jane Fraser ] [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW ["rmfyp" ] [AVALON] Re:Reecy's review [Avalon887@aol.com] [AVALON] In Every Dreamhome... ["mvsleen" ] Re: [AVALON] In Every Dreamhome... [InterEireann@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW ["rmfyp" ] [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] IOW / (very) Bitter Sweet [Joel Hurd ] Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick)] Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] OT: Pink Floyd Reforming [John Dillon ] Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet [InterEireann@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet ["Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Couldn't sleep some winks last night... Thank you all for your brilliant reviews! Bahi Para wrote: > I'll get no respect for saying this on Avalon but I still think > Ferry's Dream Home duet with Jane Birkin was outstanding. > It turned art-rock genius into dark, brilliant pop and just asks > to be put onto infinite repeat. Perhaps not by many, but some agree. I do. And of course not entirely, that's the fun thing about music! I'd use the adverbs 'outstanding' and 'brilliant' more sparsely, but yes, DARK and I had it on my mp3-player a zillion times... Tara, Anton. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:00:40 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] IOW photos http://www.virginradio.co.uk/music/artists/roxy_music/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:36:30 +0100 From: "rmfyp" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW Waited with bated breath for the lads on TV last night (thanks for the info John) but, unfortunately was a tad disappointed. Firstly a quick interview with BF who said he believed that this was the first festival RM had played since Lincoln in '72 and then into (average performances of) VP and LITD. I know time was restricted by the broadcasters and, as per usual, they only want to put out what most audiences appear to "know" but it would have been interesting if they had taken a gamble and used maybe CM, PR or TBM. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:55:06 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re:Reecy's review Thanks, Reecy. Thoroughly enjoyed your review! Sounds like it was a GREAT evening. Good music, old friends, etc. - a really good time. Now my wish is for them to schedule some dates stateside, keep me posted if you hear anything. Regards from Kew Gardens, Eileen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:19:04 +0200 From: "mvsleen" Subject: [AVALON] In Every Dreamhome... "Misplaced" is the word I'd use to describe the Birkin/Ferry version. The lyrics dictate that it should be one man singing the brilliant (sparsely now!) lines, in a morose tone of voice, sarcastic and sad. Bitter... Inflatable doll Birkin just seems to be following a course in English, repeating the sentences that she doesn't understand yet and that certainly don't apply to her, articulating the words in an affected BBC-English - 'I boht you mail ohder'. Okay, I grant you that it gives me the shivers. But not the right kind. I also agree it's very dark and gloomy, but there's so much more to the song! So "Misplaced" is the polite word I'd use. If you think of all the duets Bryan could have sung, with so many brilliant female singers... And this is the one he picks! BLOODY RIDICULOUS! And while the "perfect companion" for him - Kate Bush - has been dropping hints for about fifteen years that she wants to do a duet with him, now he tells us he'd really like to record a song with DR. DRE ! ??? Michiel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:40:40 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Every Dreamhome... Referring back to the Koko reviews and this song in particular, of all the songs done on the 2001 tour and played at Koko this was the most improved for me. It had a different arrangement, it was slower and had more of the Viva! feel about it, as others have pointed out. Like Reecey I am not a Jealous Guy fan, but live it has often worked for me and the Koko was a very good version. I agree with him. Maybe it is TGPT's weightier presence that gives it the oomph I prefer to see in Roxy live. I think others have also said that Ferry's voice seemed to have more range. That certainly seemed to be the case and a pleasant surprise. Of my wishlist of 4 I got Prairie Rose and Pyjamarama, so very pleased, but I am still hoping to hear Phil do the business with Whirlwind some day, perhaps in vain. If they do I hope the mix for the guitar thrash is better than for Ladytron, where even just 6 rows back in the centre you could not hear it. R ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:11:54 +0100 From: "rmfyp" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW As Faithless were on the same program perhaps the speed of LITD was a homage to the Rollo/Sister Bliss debacle from a few years ago!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet Well, this was such a sad affair. Attended the Isle Of Wight Festival yesterday, where, for one of those rare, rare times, Roxy Music got it totally and completely wrong - yes, another of those wasted opportunities. What a strange old day it was. A whole host of Artists and Bands throughout the afternoon, quite a mixture. Ray Davies (with brother Dave in tow) gave in a good performance, and milked 'Lola' to the extreme, to finish (if you'll excuse the expression.) Babyshambles should drop the 'baby' from their name and then may have a Band name that fits them oh so perfectly. Goldie Lookin' Chain may not be my kind of thing, but they were very clever, very funny, and got the crowd going, which, at a festival, is what it's all about. There were a lot of people there for Feeder, who really went down well, great sound quality too. A few of us 'made our move' when the Feeder crowd rushed to Bars and Toilets (not necessarily in that order) at the end of their set, and got within about 2 feet of the barrier. That's no mean feat trying to get through about 30,000 people, let me tell you. And then we waited. And waited. And, ermm, waited some more. Whilst other Bands were off, on, off, on, with the minimum of fuss, impatience grew as the noodling by various RM stagehands was beginning to become irritating. Roxy eventually took the stage, about half an hour late. Remake Remodel blasted through, and the Bass blasted through about 4 times louder. This was the pattern for the whole gig, by the way. Whilst everything probably sounded great on stage, it wasn't out front, lads. I did wonder if it was as we were right upfront, but have since spoken to friends who were 100 odd yards further back, and their comment was "what's the problem with the bass" ? I'm not blaming the bassist - this is a sound thing - or should I say, a sound 'fault'. It was as if a massive Bass-bin speaker was cracked or broken, and it just rumbled and echoed for the most part, drowning out almost completely what either Andy or Phil did for almost the entire performance. It didn't endear them to the pre-pubescent Travis fraternity, for sure, who had taken their places already and weren't going to budge. At a Festival, let's be honest, no-one really goes to 'listen' to the music. For the gathered throng, well, 90% of them, they want to have a laugh, bop up and down to something uptempo, dance around, get stoned, get drunk, etc etc. Especially as you approach the darkness hours. Playing 'Tara', 'My Only Love', 'Dream Home' etc to an excitable Festival crowd of over 30,000 punters was a dreadful decision, and a disaster. Quite how Roxy could have got this so wrong, is a mystery to me. Even shortening the set by cutting out those numbers would have gone down better, and I would have thought someone, somewhere, would have realised this upfront. But no. The mix was wrong, the playing poor and under rehearsed, often hopelessly out of tune, and if it wasn't for the last 4 or 5 numbers, I swear they would possibly have been booed off. There were many, many dissenting voices around us, and I'm ashamed to say, I couldn't blame them, not one bit. I saw the TV footage later, 2 songs, and all smiles as they left the stage. Bizarre. Clearly, they wouldn't show earlier footage when all was not well. First highlight was Pyjamarama, of course. Thankfully though, those last few uptempo numbers endeared them to most of the crowd, by the end of it all. What a relief. A few Roxy Girls who travelled from the south-east were up at the front too, but my heart sank as one of them proudly proclaimed 'Yes, I've been a fan for ages, and I love the really old stuff, like Oh Yeah'. Hey, it was one of those days. Second highlight was when I was attempting to broadcast a song or two from my phone directly to vivaroxymusic.com. I was looking down at my phone trying to get a decent signal and make the damn thing work, when one of the kindly security blokes at the front must have noticed me, motionless, staring downwards, and thought I must have died of boredom or something, and asked if I was alright. "Just broadcasting", I said, and he must have thought to himself, "Why" ? Third highlight was the drunk bloke who fought his way through and started hollering at BF in the quiet opening minutes of Dream Home, shouting, very loudly "F... Off Bryan, give us something uptempo, this is crap", etc etc, and being generally loud and abusive. Now hey, it's all very well if your Band are having an off day, but there's a line you don't cross. He was then set upon by a troop of Roxy fans (all Girls, by the way - guys watch out !) and abuse hurled at him along with a superb right hook had this oh so tough drunk lad suddenly whimpering that he'd just been assaulted. It didn't stop there, as the Roxy She-Devils took ultimate revenge by then assisting him in being tipped head first over the barrier, to be removed by the security guys out front, followed by an enormous cheer from us all. Note to all Men : Don't upset Roxy Girls. You will pay the price. Bryan up on stage would have heard everything, and must have wondered what on earth he had got himself into, all this Festival stuff. Marvellous. I'm sure that other gigs will be great, just like I thought Koko was. This wasn't. You win some, you lose some. Other highlights were the nougat wafer with Mr Whippy ice cream earlier in the afternoon, and the chinese noodle something-or-other I ate on the way out of the festival. But overall I can't complain - a nice little part weekend away, and the Festival as a whole was really enjoyable. Just a shame my fave Band didn't get it right this time. Non-highlights then were Roxy Music for a change, and oh dear, the Festival toilets. But that's par for the course I guess, for these kind of places. In an ideal world, I would have loved to have stayed on to see REM tonight, but couldn't do it, work and back to normality calls. I'll keep the faith though, and hope the problems iron out, until next time for me, which will probably be Amsterdam. But boy, Roxy need some serious, serious rehearsal time, they really do. Final note to the Band : Put the Bogus Man back in, and the 'Great' back in TGPT in the Band personnel announcements, please. Oh, and once again, TGPT didn't put a foot wrong. Or an arm. Reecey... . . . . - --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] IOW / (very) Bitter Sweet Personally, I would've thought it was obvious to play mostly uptempo songs and the 'radio hits' for this type of gig, a large festival. Channel 4's coverage had a short pre-show interview with Bryan, who spoke in very general terms about the IOW show. Very disconnected, I thought. Just like the disconnection outlined in my first point. - ----joel p.s. Otis was shown amongst the festival goers on Channel 4 last night too. > Well, this was such a sad affair. > > Attended the Isle Of Wight Festival yesterday, where, for one of > those rare, rare times, Roxy Music got it totally and completely > wrong - yes, another of those wasted opportunities. > What a strange old day it was. > > At a Festival, let's be honest, no-one really goes to 'listen' tothe > music. For the gathered throng, well, 90% of them, they want to have > a laugh, bop up and down to something uptempo, dance around, get > stoned, get drunk, etc etc. Especially as you approach the darkness > hours. > Playing 'Tara', 'My Only Love', 'Dream Home' etc to an excitable > Festival crowd of over 30,000 punters was a dreadful decision, and a > disaster. > Quite how Roxy could have got this so wrong, is a mystery to me. Even > shortening the set by cutting out those numbers would have gone down > better, and I would have thought someone, somewhere, would have > realised this upfront. But no. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:43:16 +0100 From: "Bermudez" Subject: RE: [AVALON] IOW / (very) Bitter Sweet Funny- it sounds like Roxy was out-"performed" by the Kinks (Ray 'n' Dave anyway), who are so famous for poor judgment in their career... playing Sun City, and so forth. If any band would've irritated the crowd by NOT playing what they wanted to hear, I'd have put my money on Ray. Thanks for the long write up, we took turns reading it, sitting around the dinner table. By the way, I've finished mastering my audio souvenir from Koko. It is not the worst recording I've ever heard (or even paid for!), but not so good either; ran out of tape after Bogus Man. I've done some serious equalization, but there's at least some clipping on nearly every song, so... have to live with that. My Only Love is pretty unlistenable (but you knew that before, hee hee), but a few of the tracks are quite good. Frankly, I blame the soundman as much as my poor taping technique... let me know, how do we set up distribution... I'm in the UK - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joel Hurd Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:55 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] IOW / (very) Bitter Sweet Personally, I would've thought it was obvious to play mostly uptempo songs and the 'radio hits' for this type of gig, a large festival. Channel 4's coverage had a short pre-show interview with Bryan, who spoke in very general terms about the IOW show. Very disconnected, I thought. Just like the disconnection outlined in my first point. - ----joel p.s. Otis was shown amongst the festival goers on Channel 4 last night too. > Well, this was such a sad affair. > > Attended the Isle Of Wight Festival yesterday, where, for one of > those rare, rare times, Roxy Music got it totally and completely > wrong - yes, another of those wasted opportunities. > What a strange old day it was. > > At a Festival, let's be honest, no-one really goes to 'listen' tothe > music. For the gathered throng, well, 90% of them, they want to have > a laugh, bop up and down to something uptempo, dance around, get > stoned, get drunk, etc etc. Especially as you approach the darkness > hours. > Playing 'Tara', 'My Only Love', 'Dream Home' etc to an excitable > Festival crowd of over 30,000 punters was a dreadful decision, and a > disaster. > Quite how Roxy could have got this so wrong, is a mystery to me. Even > shortening the set by cutting out those numbers would have gone down > better, and I would have thought someone, somewhere, would have > realised this upfront. But no. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:57:57 +0100 From: "Thomas Wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rmfyp" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music - IOW > then into (average performances of) VP and LITD. Having watched this three times now I've still to decided if it was as bad a performance as it first seems or if it's just a duff mix on VP. In the case of LITD, it was just bad. The bass player was either having a bad day or should be replaced, is it my imagination or was LITD getting faster as it progressed with everyone in a race to keep up. As for the interviews that littered the show the references to RM seemed to be on the whole less than genuine sounding, more a case of "btw, would you mind saying something nice about RM for the camera". As a tv appearence this was a total anti-climax and would probably put folk off going to see Roxy than encouraging them to buy a new album or concert tickets. I would be interested in what anybody who was actually there had to say about the live mix and the quality of the performance. Was it just a duff tv mix, or was it the "wrong place at the wrong time". ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:39:37 +0100 From: "rmfyp" Subject: [AVALON] Goose/Golden Egg I think the goose that was Roxy Music is now incapable of laying any more eggs. Perhaps 33 years of listening to, and discussing the merits of, VP and the likes (many of which we would call classics) are now beginning to tell - and are RM fed up with revisiting the same old scene? As with many others, all I ask is a new studio album. Whether it be an immediate classic or a duffer I DON'T CARE!!! Just please please give us something new to get excited about. As we are now over 20 years from the last studio album and approaching, especially as the lads are on tour again, another opportunity for the 390th "Greatest Hits" album can we please have one more offering from what I've always considered one of the most innovative bands. I would like to think that I am a loyal and objective Roxy fan, yet there are others on this list who make my support pale into insignificance - the travelling, the costs, etc etc but it doesn't seem that this loyalty is reciprocated. Come on BF - your loyal fans deserve a little more and a last effort for one more egg wouldn't go amiss! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:50 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet Just a few quick comments as I intend to reserve most of them for a quiet word with Phil. First up, the band were late going on - 15 minutes late not half an hour. There was a technical problem that kept not only the audience waiting but the band too who stood around looking slightly lost backstage for quite a while. Second, not sure what the 'problem' was. I can only hope it was with the sound system as the resulting mix was truly awful. Things were not a lot better on stage. Phil's monitoring failed and I suspect Bryan's did too. A lot of singing with a finger in the ear, normally a sign a singer cannot hear himself. Others may have had the same problem which might have explained some of the oddities with the performance. Festival on-stage monitoring is always a lottery and so it proved on Saturday. More mistakes than I can remember from any previous RM show, e.g. Song for Europe, the end of Pyjamarama - which, BTW Reecey, was not Phil's error ;-) Tuning problems also but the damp and cold will have contributed in so small measure to that. Generally not a good show but not for reasons entirely under the band's control. The guys from Travis apparently enjoyed it though. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:23:26 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet At 21.50 +0100 05-06-12, Bill MacCormick wrote: >Just a few quick comments as I intend to reserve most of them for a quiet >word with Phil. Give my regards, and, since Phil was surprised that they did not play Sweden in 2001, remind him that Roxy have a following here. Why they did not play the Hultsfred festival escapes me. I am glad that they play together again. Cheers. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet Bill MacCormick wrote: >>> not sure what the 'problem' was. I can only hope it was with the sound system as the resulting mix was truly awful.>>> >>>More mistakes than I can remember from any previous RM show >> Good of you to reply Bill, especially detailing the exact problems, of which there were clearly many, and for being so honest about it ! Quite a few of us in the crowd were wishing there was some way the Band could have been told of the Bass cracking/problem, as obviously no-one up there was aware of it. Similar feeling at Koko too re Bass, but nothing like as bad as it was at IOW, which was obviously a severe sound system fault. Having seen Roxy, ermm, let's just say many times, these things do happen. Just a damn shame it coincided with a huge audience like IOW. Sods law. And the song choices for that kind of thing left a bit to be desired. But I'm only telling it like I see/hear it, there will be many more great nights, and very few bad ones. I've come to learn that fact, since 1973. You can never tell, it just so happened this turned out to be a bummer - which was pretty much the opposite to Wednesday at Koko. As I said to some Roxy fans on the bus after the gig, who were rather despondent that RM failed to 'show up' some of the other whippersnappers on the bill, you get the highs, so you've occasionally got to take the lows. And hey Bill, since we have your ear for a minute, how about bending Phils for a little while in the 'you've got 3 guitarists, therefore how about 'All I Want Is You' direction ? Reecey... . . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: John Dillon Subject: [AVALON] OT: Pink Floyd Reforming Off Topic, sort of but not really since Phil and David Gilmore have been long time friends: News this morning from CNN, Atlanta announcing that Pink Floyd will reunite with Roger Waters to play at Live 8. No news as to whether or not they have any plans beyond that. >From CNN: Guitarist David Gilmour, drummer Nick Mason and keyboard player Richard Wright will be on stage with bassist Roger Waters for their first public performance since they played at London's Earls Court in 1981. For the full story follow this link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/12/pink.floyd.reut/index.html Best to all John Dillon PS Anyone know where one can get the DVD of the recent Fender Stratacaster (spelling?) show where both David Gilmour & Phil performed. Thx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:25:37 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet ...or not just All I Want Is You direction Reecey..but how about Whirlwind also..when I saw the three guitarists at the Koko on Wednesday I thought we were going to get on or the other.....come on boys!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:12:01 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet - ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnny Reece To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] (very) Bitter Sweet > And hey Bill, since we have your ear for a minute, how about bending Phils for a little > while in the 'you've got 3 guitarists, therefore how about 'All I Want Is You' direction ? And an appearance in Texas. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:44:10 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] A bit late ...but I see that IoW Festival was broadcast across 4 hrs on Saturday night and 5 hrs on Sunday night last weekend. Which suggests a few more songs than were aired on C4 TV. Has anyone got a tardis that can be set to record the output retrospectively? Or do they have "Play It Again" facility like Radio 2? Could we tree the Roxy content? Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Belladonna -Daniel Lanois ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #137 ***************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest