From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #37 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, February 19 2005 Volume 10 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink ["Christian H. Soeteman] Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? ["Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink At 01.30 +0000 05-02-18, June Jack wrote: >Ah I see, the reason I cannot understand any of these posts is that there is some sort of 'private joke' going on which is above my head? What about "Mamouna" is it that you don't understand? If it's a 'private joke', I am excluded as well - and not even knowing the fact. >Whose list is this anyway? The person in charge is Colleen Matan, otherwise it's a list for people into Roxy Music and it's members. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 05:04:08 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink In a message dated 18/02/2005 10:01:37 GMT Standard Time, daniel@hundens.se writes: ..... it's a list for people into Roxy Music and it's members. I'm tempted to make a crude and vulgar reference to spotted trout. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:14:57 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chain Reaction As the parting piece on Mamouna, 'Chain Reaction' initially reminded me of the final track from Taxi's 'Because You're Mine'. BYM impressed me as a psychotic and aborted attempt to recreate or cover 'I Put A Spell On You', it seemed a haggard fragment tacked onto the end of Taxi and out of place with the other songs therein. CR is, however, a more developed piece, but my first association of CR with BYM has subsequently tempered my ability to fully appreciate CR. This association, I know, is not a fair assessment. I like the female choral repetition, the fading out of the song, the atmospheric mood, but the lyric grates upon my mind. "I'm down on my knees...Lovey dovey on me... and when you tell me pass it on I'll pass it on..." What is that about! - I would understand that lyric better if Ferry was gay or bisexual, but given reassurances that he isn't, there is no appeal in the idea of a man on knee bagging for a woman's love and her permission to 'pass it on'? - Yes, it's a personal idiosyncratic emotion that this song's lyric dredges - it makes me want to shout "Oh, Grow Up And Kill The Mush!" If the lyrics made more sense to me, I would be able to make more sense of the song and thereby reassess it more brilliantly than I am currently able. I do agree that only Ferry can do lyrics like "when you tell me pass it on - I'll pass it on" without sounding stupid. He sounds so sincere. I will try to listen to CR with a more open mind, i.e.. not trying to decipher what the lyric means. Any more perspectives on this piece of music would be welcomed. Thank you. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:20:41 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink 'private joke'??? Try a 'private joke' that is so transparent and calloused that it crosses the line from 'joke' to 'derision'. I pity people who find pleasure in other people's problems. 'Whose list is this anyway?' Ours. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:38:42 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy was How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink Anyways... As we now have our serious hats on I ask you what Roxy's legacy is? Who have they inspired? Perhaps disturbingly, who will be interested in Roxy or Ferry in 50 or even 20 years time? Or have we gone back to sleep? J n/p Free 'All Right Now' In a message dated 18/02/2005 14:28:03 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attgloba l.net writes: 'private joke'??? Try a 'private joke' that is so transparent and calloused that it crosses the line from 'joke' to 'derision'. I pity people who find pleasure in other people's problems. 'Whose list is this anyway?' Ours. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >>As we now have our serious hats on I ask you what Roxy's legacy is? Perhaps disturbingly, who will be interested in Roxy or Ferry in 50 or even 20 years time? >>> I hate to admit it, but 'Roxy's legacy' is, sadly, an ever diminishing dot. Shame, as it certainly didn't have to be this way. Many have spoken recently of who they influenced, and the obvious names came up again - step forward the Durans, ABCs, and Japans of their day. But therein lies the problem. Those bands now have a legacy of their own. Roxy are one step removed, one step further back. Sure, it's nice to see the likes of Ferdinand etc citing Roxy Music as an inspiration, but I do think we'll see/hear this less and less, and the missed opportunities (what, again ?) following the 2001 Tour are, I believe, partly to blame. What began as an exciting adventure for a great deal of us here, and the chance to be, ermm, about 17 again, turned into something much more serious, as we saw for ourselves how the Roxy 'unit' worked as effortlessly and professionally as if they'd never been apart for 18 minutes, never mind 18 years. I was surprised - overjoyed wouldn't be too strong a statement, at how fantastic it all was - a touch of class, of mystery, of darkness, something I thought I'd never see again, as those qualities were never really, for me, a part of Ferry's own solo work. The timing was perfect, though. The ATGB tour gave a freshness that I had not witnessed in any of Ferry's solo live work previously. I'll freely admit here that the only reason I have all of Ferry's Albums in my collection, was that he was part of Roxy. I do not believe any single Album of Ferry's can be held up against any of Roxy's - I liked the way the Band worked, sounded, played, simple as that (and I'm still amazed, even to this day, when some don't see/hear the difference between solo/band, but that's life, and is all about personal opinion). I expected, wanted, hoped for, some kind of Roxy Music studio Album, following the reunion Tour. I know many here didn't want that - fair enough. But I think it was the right time, strike while the iron's hot (and all those other cliches) as the Roxy tour was so well received, be it critically, by the fans, by whoever. I believe some sort of Roxy recording would have really stamped their mark on musical history - again - and gave us something to be excited about, instead of more Dylan rehashes and left over songs again (which is what we got, a-la Frantic). Don't get me wrong, I liked 'some' of Frantic, it's what followed which makes me think of wasted opportunities, a seemingly never ending tour of venues which seemed to get smaller and smaller, as the gigs got more and more of a 'going through the motions' feel to them. What worried me though, was how the touring band altered. I mean, do we need the 'My Only Love' hollering at the end of that song ? No, we don't. Do we need that at the end of Jealous Guy ? No. One of the reasons I dislike his choice of, for instance, backing singers now, is it reminds me of the hideous Avalon Tour, when he modelled the Band into a very poor man's Stax Revue. And my god he's doing it once again, you know. Ferry was a big fan of all that, and I am not. I don't like to see Roxy songs done in this way, as I believe it cheapens them, and ruins them. They were good enough to start with, so don't muck about with them. I'm very protective of my Roxy songs, and how they should be (ermm, perhaps you noticed ? :) If we're not to see a new Roxy recording surface (and I have my doubts now, as here we are in 2005, and many 'they are going to record something' rumours have come and gone since 2001) then I hope for some changes, to freshen things up. The musicians he has played with in recent years, are indeed, superb in their own fields - Colin Good, Mick Green, Julia etc. But it's time for a change in most departments (keep TGPT for gods sake otherwise we'll end up with a Band that sounds like a wet flannel). Time for a new Band - those splendid musicians could now play Roxy/Ferry songs in their sleep, and that's a bad thing. A strong Ferry out on the road, own material (cut out the 'covers'), new Album, new musicians, would do the trick, surely ? It would certainly help in many people's perceptions of how he is seen, and Roxy too. I'd prefer to see Roxy, but hey, I'd prefer to win the lottery too, but we don't always get what we want. A telling statement : Bryan joked, not so long ago, of being approached by someone who asked him : "Didn't you used to be Bryan Ferry" ? That remark alone, says so much. Reecey... . . Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:01:22 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? Reecey, Without a shadow of a doubt that is the most upsetting post I have read in a long time. However it is also the best and most insightful post that I have read in a long time. When you remark about lost oppertunities you hit the nail firmly on the head. It took them long enough to squeeze out the live dvd and then album. Striking while the iron is hot is not the Ferry way. The whole thing is a collosal mess and I doubt, very much doubt, that a new album will be forthcoming anytime soon (if at all) ifcurrent rumours are true. I mean (and I know I've said it before) Lifetime achievement award for Bob Geldof??!!!!! J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:55:44 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink > From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk > Reply-To: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:27:13 +0100 (CET) > To: Daniel Atterbom , avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] How Basic We Are - Clinics and Clink > > it's because its different. It has a different approach. Simple but complex. > Only Ferry can do lyrics like "when you tell me to pass it on - I'll pass it > on" without sounding stupid. > Amongst long drawn out rubbish like Which Way to Turn (Backwards ?) and the > incredibly bad mix which loses his voice and most of the clarity this stands > out along with the beautiful Your Painted Smile as having something of the > real Ferry about it. Its strange but strangely compelling. Rob, I would be interested to learn how you differentiate the 'drawn out rubbish' from the 'real' stuff? I mean, both songs have I think two chords only, and WWTT is my favourite on the album, along with Your Painted Smile. WWTT is, to me, one of the saddest and most direct songs Ferry has done. Mamouna as a whole, disliked by many, but well, it's there now, has an excellent nighttime, pensive and dare I say downbeat mood. When you compare the Mamouna mix to Bete Noire and Boys & Girls, I don't find that the voice gets lost in the mix. Then again, the voice has moved to the front more since then (ATGB and Frantic), which is a good thing. CHS NP: Solaris - OST ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:39:53 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? ahhh when I was a wee lad we used to get posts like that all the time on Avalon. Nice one. Andrew >From: Johnny Reece >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy's legacy ? >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:38:17 -0800 (PST) > >KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > >>As we now have our serious hats on I ask you what Roxy's legacy is? > Perhaps disturbingly, who will be interested in Roxy or Ferry >in 50 or even 20 years time? >>> > > >I hate to admit it, but 'Roxy's legacy' is, sadly, an ever diminishing dot. > Shame, as it certainly didn't have to be this way. Many have spoken >recently of who they influenced, and the obvious names came up again - step >forward the Durans, ABCs, and Japans of their day. > >But therein lies the problem. Those bands now have a legacy of their own. >Roxy are one step removed, one step further back. Sure, it's nice to see >the likes of Ferdinand etc citing Roxy Music as an inspiration, but I do >think we'll see/hear this less and less, and the missed opportunities >(what, again ?) following the 2001 Tour are, I believe, partly to blame. >What began as an exciting adventure for a great deal of us here, and the >chance to be, ermm, about 17 again, turned into something much more >serious, as we saw for ourselves how the Roxy 'unit' worked as effortlessly >and professionally as if they'd never been apart for 18 minutes, never mind >18 years. > >I was surprised - overjoyed wouldn't be too strong a statement, at how >fantastic it all was - a touch of class, of mystery, of darkness, something >I thought I'd never see again, as those qualities were never really, for >me, a part of Ferry's own solo work. The timing was perfect, though. The >ATGB tour gave a freshness that I had not witnessed in any of Ferry's solo >live work previously. I'll freely admit here that the only reason I have >all of Ferry's Albums in my collection, was that he was part of Roxy. I do >not believe any single Album of Ferry's can be held up against any of >Roxy's - I liked the way the Band worked, sounded, played, simple as that >(and I'm still amazed, even to this day, when some don't see/hear the >difference between solo/band, but that's life, and is all about personal >opinion). > >I expected, wanted, hoped for, some kind of Roxy Music studio Album, >following the reunion Tour. I know many here didn't want that - fair >enough. But I think it was the right time, strike while the iron's hot (and >all those other cliches) as the Roxy tour was so well received, be it >critically, by the fans, by whoever. I believe some sort of Roxy recording >would have really stamped their mark on musical history - again - and gave >us something to be excited about, instead of more Dylan rehashes and left >over songs again (which is what we got, a-la Frantic). > >Don't get me wrong, I liked 'some' of Frantic, it's what followed which >makes me think of wasted opportunities, a seemingly never ending tour of >venues which seemed to get smaller and smaller, as the gigs got more and >more of a 'going through the motions' feel to them. What worried me though, >was how the touring band altered. I mean, do we need the 'My Only Love' >hollering at the end of that song ? No, we don't. Do we need that at the >end of Jealous Guy ? No. One of the reasons I dislike his choice of, for >instance, backing singers now, is it reminds me of the hideous Avalon Tour, >when he modelled the Band into a very poor man's Stax Revue. And my god >he's doing it once again, you know. Ferry was a big fan of all that, and I >am not. I don't like to see Roxy songs done in this way, as I believe it >cheapens them, and ruins them. They were good enough to start with, so >don't muck about with them. > >I'm very protective of my Roxy songs, and how they should be (ermm, perhaps >you noticed ? :) > >If we're not to see a new Roxy recording surface (and I have my doubts now, >as here we are in 2005, and many 'they are going to record something' >rumours have come and gone since 2001) then I hope for some changes, to >freshen things up. The musicians he has played with in recent years, are >indeed, superb in their own fields - Colin Good, Mick Green, Julia etc. But >it's time for a change in most departments (keep TGPT for gods sake >otherwise we'll end up with a Band that sounds like a wet flannel). Time >for a new Band - those splendid musicians could now play Roxy/Ferry songs >in their sleep, and that's a bad thing. > >A strong Ferry out on the road, own material (cut out the 'covers'), new >Album, new musicians, would do the trick, surely ? It would certainly help >in many people's perceptions of how he is seen, and Roxy too. I'd prefer to >see Roxy, but hey, I'd prefer to win the lottery too, but we don't always >get what we want. > >A telling statement : Bryan joked, not so long ago, of being approached by >someone who asked him : "Didn't you used to be Bryan Ferry" ? > >That remark alone, says so much. > > > >Reecey... > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > >. > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #37 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest