From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V10 #16 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, January 19 2005 Volume 10 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] uniforms ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [LeeSullivanart@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] uniforms ["Cassidy, Chris J (RES)" ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Simple Minds [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] me and the major [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] uniforms ["Colette Robertson" ] RE: [AVALON] uniforms [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Uniforms [DEAGLERR@aol.com] [AVALON] Don't You Forget (About Me) [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] uniforms ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms ["Judy Kaufman" ] RE: [AVALON] uniforms ["Colette Robertson" ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] uniforms [DEAGLERR@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:26:36 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms From: Lee Sullivan >As my memory tells it . . . >The jackboot look was used alternately with the gaucho look during the >Country Life tour . . . Country Life tour Feb. 1975 in Chicago had him wearing a dark suit & bowtie. In November '75, Chicago, and February '76, Kansas City he was wearing the Roxy fatigues. February 1976 in Austin, TX it was a red shirt, dark trousers with stripes down the sides. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:34:25 EST From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms In a message dated 18/01/2005 09:31:00 GMT Standard Time, tinkandjeans1st@comcast.net writes: Country Life tour Feb. 1975 in Chicago had him wearing a dark suit & bowtie. In November '75, Chicago, and February '76, Kansas City he was wearing the Roxy fatigues. February 1976 in Austin, TX it was a red shirt, dark trousers with stripes down the sides. Judy Ah, I was referring to the UK tour (which I didn't see but read about :) ). Maybe in the US he was having problems with overnight dry-cleaning catching up with the tour bus :) No gaucho then? Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _http://www.LeeSullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:09:13 -0500 From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms Oh come on gang, who was the one in the Roxy Camp who loved a man in a uniform more than anyone else?Yes, cuddly lovely Dame Antony/Anthony Price of course. He was forever trying to get Bry into uniforms and in the end El Ferranti just gave in. The so called Nazi regalia we have been citing was usually referred to in interview by both Messers Ferry and Price as The Motorcycle Cop Look, and it was indeed alternated with the Gaucho look which was pilloried by the press. I vaguely remember the NME's cover of the time asking something like "Is this man a prat?" I'd have to check in my volumes of painstakingly compiled Roxy scrapbooks to be sure. I have to admit that as part of the touring Roxy audience of the time I did my fair share of dressing up to the nines and looking a complete plumb. During the GI tour (yes Anton, that look was based on the Elvis GI look, just as Ferry's died black pompadour circa FYP was based on the King), my friend and I ran up sky blue air hostess outfits a la The Sirens and hobbled around infinite British cities in impossible stilettos (title of an album?).Ferry has also mentioned in interview that his White Tuxedo look was chosen as it was considered a uniform of sorts. And even to this day he dresses with that uniform sensibility. Dark suit, light shirt, dark tie, loosely tied scarf, big black coat and old mens shoes for night. Tweed jacket, casual trousers, loosely tied scarf, big coat, flat cap by day.Oh how I long for him to surprise us by turning up in a Valentino sombrero. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:29:03 -0000 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (RES)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms I recall some yrs later when questioned about the Gaucho uniform Bryan laughed and said "It's all for sale". Didn't one of the reviews say he looked like a Spanish traffic warden? lol Regards to All Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [SMTP:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Jocelynfiske@aol.com > Sent: 18 January 2005 12:09 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms > > Oh come on gang, who was the one in the Roxy Camp who loved a man in a > uniform more than anyone else?Yes, cuddly lovely Dame Antony/Anthony Price > of course. He was forever trying to get Bry into uniforms and in the end > El Ferranti just gave in. The so called Nazi regalia we have been citing > was usually referred to in interview by both Messers Ferry and Price as > The Motorcycle Cop Look, and it was indeed alternated with the Gaucho look > which was pilloried by the press. I vaguely remember the NME's cover of > the time asking something like "Is this man a prat?" I'd have to check in > my volumes of painstakingly compiled Roxy scrapbooks to be sure. I have to > admit that as part of the touring Roxy audience of the time I did my fair > share of dressing up to the nines and looking a complete plumb. During the > GI tour (yes Anton, that look was based on the Elvis GI look, just as > Ferry's died black pompadour circa FYP was based on the King), my friend > and I ran up sky blue air hostess out! > fits a la The Sirens and hobbled around infinite British cities in > impossible stilettos (title of an album?).Ferry has also mentioned in > interview that his White Tuxedo look was chosen as it was considered a > uniform of sorts. And even to this day he dresses with that uniform > sensibility. Dark suit, light shirt, dark tie, loosely tied scarf, big > black coat and old mens shoes for night. Tweed jacket, casual trousers, > loosely tied scarf, big coat, flat cap by day.Oh how I long for him to > surprise us by turning up in a Valentino sombrero. > Jocelyn > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Disclaimer This e-mail (including any attachments) is only for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient you must let me know immediately and then delete this e-mail. If you use this e-mail without permission, or if you allow anyone else to see, copy or distribute the e-mail, or if you do, or don't do something because you have read this e-mail, you may be breaking the law. Liability cannot be accepted for any loss or damage arising from this e-mail (or any attachments) or from incompatible scripts or any virus transmitted. E-mails and attachments sent and received from and by staff and elected Members may be monitored and read and the right is reserved to reject or return or delete any which are considered to be inappropriate or unsuitable. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:31:44 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms Would this be the article Jocelyn is referring to from the NME? http://pictures.care2.com/view/2/729875065 Would it be possible that I have seen Ms Fiske & friend in a copy of a Roxy Fan Club newsletter sporting those blue air hostess outfits? :) Cheers, Colette Men in uniform.............................you know the old saying!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jocelynfiske@aol.com Sent: 18 January 2005 12:09 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms Oh come on gang, who was the one in the Roxy Camp who loved a man in a uniform more than anyone else?Yes, cuddly lovely Dame Antony/Anthony Price of course. He was forever trying to get Bry into uniforms and in the end El Ferranti just gave in. The so called Nazi regalia we have been citing was usually referred to in interview by both Messers Ferry and Price as The Motorcycle Cop Look, and it was indeed alternated with the Gaucho look which was pilloried by the press. I vaguely remember the NME's cover of the time asking something like "Is this man a prat?" I'd have to check in my volumes of painstakingly compiled Roxy scrapbooks to be sure. I have to admit that as part of the touring Roxy audience of the time I did my fair share of dressing up to the nines and looking a complete plumb. During the GI tour (yes Anton, that look was based on the Elvis GI look, just as Ferry's died black pompadour circa FYP was based on the King), my friend and I ran up sky blue air hostess out! fits a la The Sirens and hobbled around infinite British cities in impossible stilettos (title of an album?).Ferry has also mentioned in interview that his White Tuxedo look was chosen as it was considered a uniform of sorts. And even to this day he dresses with that uniform sensibility. Dark suit, light shirt, dark tie, loosely tied scarf, big black coat and old mens shoes for night. Tweed jacket, casual trousers, loosely tied scarf, big coat, flat cap by day.Oh how I long for him to surprise us by turning up in a Valentino sombrero. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:42:01 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms Of course dear Antony persuaded Bryan to go for the well dressed Vulcan look on the Manifesto tour. Price and Ferry shared the shame eyebrow design for a while. And lets not forget the Spockesque way that Ferry addressed the crowds on that tour! Overheard at the time: AP (spoken in a camp Northern accent) 'Bryan I've come oop with a new looook for the new tour.' BF (spoken in a posh accent with the North occasionally breaking through) ' Oh really Antony? Suave, witty, stylish, sophisticated, sexy?' AP 'Nooo Bryan. Distant, remote, aloof, languid' BF 'Hang on Antony, I think you've hit on something there....' J n/p William Shatner 'A Hard Rains Gonna Fall' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:13:58 EST From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Simple Minds (and maybe he should do a 25-year 'greatest miss' anniversary version of 'Don't You Forget About Me') Agree totally, cannot hear this song without wondering what if...? Simple Minds do a fine job with the song, but, no one can convey despair and longing like our Bry..(-; ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:56:05 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms Didn't Bryan recently say in an interview that he always preferred classic men's clothing as it was more comfortable and relaxed, contrasting himself to a performer such as Jimi Hendrix who would dress like a toreador? I thought I read that somewhere.... Heather (who has a modest collection of 40's and 50's dresses and coats) On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Of course dear Antony persuaded Bryan to go for the well dressed Vulcan look > on the Manifesto tour. Price and Ferry shared the shame eyebrow design for a > while. And lets not forget the Spockesque way that Ferry addressed the crowds > on that tour! > > > > Overheard at the time: > > AP (spoken in a camp Northern accent) 'Bryan I've come oop with a new looook > for the new tour.' > > BF (spoken in a posh accent with the North occasionally breaking through) ' > Oh really Antony? Suave, witty, stylish, sophisticated, sexy?' > > AP 'Nooo Bryan. Distant, remote, aloof, languid' > > BF 'Hang on Antony, I think you've hit on something there....' > > > > J > > n/p William Shatner 'A Hard Rains Gonna Fall' > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:25:40 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms Well the back of Buckleys book has the quote 'Secretly, I wanted to look like Jimi Hendrix, but I could never quite pull it off.' In a message dated 18/01/2005 14:04:24 GMT Standard Time, hbuch@imf.au.dk writes: Didn't Bryan recently say in an interview that he always preferred classic men's clothing as it was more comfortable and relaxed, contrasting himself to a performer such as Jimi Hendrix who would dress like a toreador? I thought I read that somewhere.... Heather (who has a modest collection of 40's and 50's dresses and coats) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:43:07 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: [AVALON] me and the major Actually, all this talk of military uniforms reminds me of the Belle and Sebastian Song "Me and the Major", which I'm sure has been discussed here before, with its reference to Roxy Music: - ------------------------ Me and the major could become close friends cause we Get on the same train and he wants to talk to me Me and the major could become close friends cause we Get on the same train and he wants to talk But there is too much history, too much biography between us Me and the major don't see eye to eye on a Number of things, he'll take a guy like me and then Me and the major don't see eye to eye on a Number of things, he'll take a guy like me And put him in the army Cause the queen's own army makes a man of you But he doesn't understand and he doesn't try He knows there's something missing and he knows it's you and i We\u2019re the younger generation, we grew up fast All the others did drugs They\u2019re taking it out on us They\u2019re taking it out on us Me and the major are from different worlds, but if I get stuck in the lift it\u2019s always with a toff Me and the major are from different worlds, but if I get stuck in the lift it\u2019s always with a man Of noble standing who looks down on me like I was never born I think the major\u2019s going quite insane, he goes Along the pavement and comes back again, oh yeah I think the major\u2019s going quite insane, he goes Along the pavement and comes back again Like he is on parade, and he is on parade At least he thinks so Now he is swapping his tent for a sheltered home He doesn\u2019t have a family, he is living alone He remembers all the punks and the hippies too And he remembers roxy music in seventy-two He doesn\u2019t understand and he doesn\u2019t try He knows there\u2019s something missing and he knows it\u2019s you and i We\u2019re the younger generation, we grew up fast All the others did drugs They\u2019re taking it out on us They\u2019re taking it out on us They\u2019re taking it out on us I want a dance, I want a drink of whisky so i Forget the major and go up the town Because the snow is falling - ---------------------- Sorry. I fixed a few apostrophes then got tired of it. Only 1 hour till the baby wakes up and I've got LOTS to do... Heather On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Well the back of Buckleys book has the quote 'Secretly, I wanted to look > like Jimi Hendrix, but I could never quite pull it off.' > > > > > In a message dated 18/01/2005 14:04:24 GMT Standard Time, hbuch@imf.au.dk > writes: > > Didn't Bryan recently say in an interview that he always preferred > classic men's clothing as it was more comfortable and relaxed, contrasting > himself to a performer such as Jimi Hendrix who would dress like a > toreador? I thought I read that somewhere.... > > Heather (who has a modest collection of 40's and 50's dresses and coats) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:46 -0500 From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms > contrasting himself to a performer such as Jimi Hendrix who would dress like a toredor? Well BF did manage to pull this look off circa 1972 (albeit with slightly different hair). Now Ferry's toreador look is being pulled off (if you'll pardon the pun) by a shirtless Jake Shears of the Scissor Sisters. Yes on both fronts to your questions Colette. That was the article in question (I knew there was a plumb involved in there somewhere) and because you have divulged the second part, you will have to die! Lee, Try Humbro aircraft kit paint in matt black for un-running Vulcan eyebrows, Andy MacSpock sidies or Vlad the Impaler Price beard (but you may be stuck with it for approx 3 years). I recommend Max Factor foundation in Judith Chalmers Orange for the On the Road Roxy pancake look, and Lawrence corner for a cheap, surplus, forces kit. But be careful in the naval department or you could come out looking like The Only Gay in the Village. Now what about the influence of The Third Reich and the Ottoman Empire on the Roxy stage sets and logos? Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:59:26 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms "Now Ferry's toreador look is being pulled off (if you'll pardon the pun) by a shirtless Jake Shears of the Scissor Sisters." It certainly is!! "Yes on both fronts to your questions Colette. That was the article in question (I knew there was a plumb involved in there somewhere) and because you have divulged the second part, you will have to die!" Exposure is only a couple of clicks away Jocelyn..............................any offers? Cheers, Colette :) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:18:56 -0500 From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms >Exposure is only a couple of clicks away..... As Bryan Ferry said when his shirt gaped open during the chorus of Street Life. >...any offers I'm afraid as your blackmail is just after Xmas I can only offer 5p, and I know where you live (Wales right?) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:19:43 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Uniforms NO it's not a Nazi uniform. It's I assume Mr. Price's version of the GIs who were in Britain only a couple of decades earlier. (they're over-sexed, over-paid and over here). I believe there are photos of TG Paul Thompson sporting OD (Olive Drab) USMC style drag at the time too. (incongruous with the long blond hair) the period dress-up was also being worked by the Sirens who were all tarted up a-la Rita Heyworth in Gilda. (BF has been quoted as being in awe of her in interviews If memory serves.) And that "strap" is a Sam Brown Belt BTW, usually worn on the other shoulder as badges and medals are most often on the left chest. it's used to hold up a holster(, or to look snappy as in this case). As to Fascist style in stage sets: any of us who saw the Manifesto tour can attest to the Albert Speer manque stylings of that extravaganza.(the list will strip out the accent) Forced perspective black pylons leading back past the drum riser. Really amazing with the drum-lights appearing to set the whole ablaze during the title-song opening. I'd like to know the story about Don't Forget About Me, and B.F.'s refusal, to sing it. If any of the cognoscenti on list know the dirt. There has to be more than he was offered, he refused, to the tale. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:43:41 EST From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Don't You Forget (About Me) In a message dated 18/01/05 20:29:30 GMT Standard Time, DEAGLERR@aol.com writes: I'd like to know the story about Don't Forget About Me, and B.F.'s refusal, to sing it. If any of the cognoscenti on list know the dirt. There has to be more than he was offered, he refused, to the tale. Part of the story is here: _http://moo.vivaroxymusic.com/651_ (http://moo.vivaroxymusic.com/651) J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:40:32 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms From: Jocelynfiske >Try Humbro aircraft kit paint in matt black for un-running Vulcan eyebrows I got a glimpse of Bryan's show make-up once and wondered why he would use cheap Maybelline mascara without a coat of the waterproof stuff to avoid that raccoon look. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:45:38 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms - ----- Original Message ----- From: KWil632057 >Well the back of Buckleys book has the quote 'Secretly, I wanted to look >like Jimi Hendrix, but I could never quite pull it off.' I'm trying to picture BF in the afro sported by Hendrix in later years. Shudder. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:18:23 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms Llandewi Breffi!! Cheers, Colette PS, Nice job on the outfits, they looked very authentic :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jocelynfiske@aol.com Sent: 18 January 2005 16:19 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] uniforms >Exposure is only a couple of clicks away..... As Bryan Ferry said when his shirt gaped open during the chorus of Street Life. >...any offers I'm afraid as your blackmail is just after Xmas I can only offer 5p, and I know where you live (Wales right?) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:09:27 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Kaufman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:26 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms > > > > February 1976 in Austin, TX it was a red shirt, dark trousers > > with stripes down the sides. > > > > Judy He wore the same outfit in New Orleans Feb. 27, '76. Go to: www.pipeline.com/~tmoq/warehse.html Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:26:53 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] uniforms In a message dated 1/18/05 9:12:43 PM, tmoq@pipeline.com writes: > He wore the same outfit in New Orleans Feb. 27, '76. Go to: > www.pipeline.com/~tmoq/warehse.html > OHMYGOD! BF is sporting the dreaded "Boston Blackie" moustache as well. I even sort of like the scruff look a-la the What Goes On video. But that pencil-thin Ronald Coleman number... Sorry Gene, these photos MUST BE DESTROYED. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V10 #16 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest