From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #304 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, November 30 2004 Volume 09 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] least played cd [philip77@tiscali.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] least played cd [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] least played cd [Stevesiren@aol.com] [AVALON] Least-Played Album [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album ["Pete Seely" ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Chris Turner ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] least played cd ["Xavier Ozouf" ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Helene Kremer ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [LeeSullivanart@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album [Chris Turner ] [AVALON] least-listened ["over pavema" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:10:23 +0000 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] least played cd least played or least favourite?... everyone of Ferry's albums has been spun to death on my turntable dependent on which year it is. Between 1994 - - 1999 I re-discovered These Foolish Things and was happy to contrast it with Taxi. TFT and Stranded were my first Ferry records bought at the same time just before Christmas 1973 and evoke strong memories even now. I'm waffling... I guess I am just saying that each record is uniquely of its time. Least played... a toss between Roxy Music ( poor production..) and Lets Stick Together ( does that count?) .. mmm if i shuffled the tracks on that record I could come up with something interesting. Philip ___________________________________________________________ FREE weekend phone calls! NO monthly fee, NO contract! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services/smarttalk/?StartupCode=OL063&srccode=COD_563 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:57:02 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] least played cd My least played CD's are all of Ferry's solo stuff, with the possible exceptions of Let's Stick Together and Mamouna (if I owned In Your Mind I'd probably play that too). I just don't find the solo stuff as interesting as the RM stuff. And I LOVE the 1st album! Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:14:41 EST From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] least played cd In a message dated 28/11/2004 20:59:50 GMT Standard Time, JohnOBrien001@aol.com writes: My least played albums are Frantic & In Your Mind, to me most of the tracks sound like someone/anyone else's record with Bryan Ferry's voice on top, It's the vocals I dislike on IYM, it sounds to me like a runner up from "Stars in Your Eyes" did the singing. Ferry seems to be emphasising all the uniqueness of his voice too much,"All Night Operator" is a good example. My least played is Mamouna, some great tunes, entirely lost in the (over) production. "The Only Face" is a beautiful tune live, but on the album sounds like something George Michael would reject for being to much of a dirge. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:28:40 EST From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Least-Played Album Well I never even bothered to acquire "Another Time, Another Place".....although I have everything else, practically every compilation album that has the odd Ferry contribution (even Miami Vice and the Princess Di tribute), and lots of bootlegs too! I guess I should get it just to make sure...(-; Daniel I am so surprised....I guess "The Bride Stripped Bare" would have to be in my top-2 of Ferry solo works, and I remember reading somewhere that it is his favourite, too. Can't Let Go is just superb, don't you think so? Well coming from So. California I am certainly biased. Carrickfergus is really special, too. I was glad he performed it in the Frantic tour. But I admit I end up skipping over some of the covers...imagine a BF solo album without covers, wouldn't that be a treat? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:44:29 -0500 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album Frankly, I'm shocked at the indifference people have toward "In Your Mind," to me far and away Ferry's best solo effort. My least played Ferry would probably be anything between Boys and Girls and As Time Goes By, with ATGB probably taking the prize. I had the same reaction when this album was released as other torch cover song albums: the artists should have left well enough alone. Least played Roxy? That's easy: "Heart Still Beating." Why did they bother? Pete S. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:56:59 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album At 07.28 -0500 04-11-29, LottieStreeter2@cs.com wrote: >Daniel I am so surprised....I guess "The Bride Stripped Bare" would have to >be in my top-2 of Ferry solo works, and I remember reading somewhere that it is >his favourite, too. Can't Let Go is just superb, don't you think so? Well >coming from So. California I am certainly biased. Carrickfergus is really >special, too. I was glad he performed it in the Frantic tour. But I admit I end >up skipping over some of the covers...imagine a BF solo album without covers, >wouldn't that be a treat? I don't think I've heard all of "The Bride Stripped Bare", I'll guess I have to buy it sometime. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:57:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album I once asked Jim Lawn why - Tokyo Joe apart - In Your Mind's songs never feature in Ferry's setlists. "He hates that album". Regards Chris --- Pete Seely wrote: > Frankly, I'm shocked at the indifference people have toward "In Your Mind," > to me far and away Ferry's best solo effort. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:59:00 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album In a message dated 29/11/2004 14:47:46 GMT Standard Time, Seely31@comcast.net writes: Frankly, I'm shocked at the indifference people have toward "In Your Mind," to me far and away Ferry's best solo effort. Yes, I agree. Cheers, Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:42:14 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album Why would Jim Lawn hating 'In Your Mind' effect Ferry's descision to play tracks from it live? Seriously though... He probably hates it more because it was the big hope for cracking America. Tokyo Joe was a whopping hit overseas and therefore returns to recent set lists. My own never played Ferry cd is Snores and Girls. J In a message dated 29/11/2004 16:02:57 GMT Standard Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: I once asked Jim Lawn why - Tokyo Joe apart - In Your Mind's songs never feature in Ferry's setlists. "He hates that album". Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:04:38 GMT From: "Xavier Ozouf" Subject: [AVALON] least played cd Hello, On my side, F+B and Avalon belong to the "most-played" list (OK, F+B not as high as Avalon). I'm not gonna comment the previous mails : there's enough to listen for everyone ! But my advice is : "genius ! play them !!!" My least played CD is Siren. I don't like the artwork, which remind me of my KingCrimson least favourite, In the Wake of Poseidon : same colours, same "faces". And even though some of the tune are excellent (most of them are !)/classics, it is just my *least* favorite. Maybe the pseudo-Krimson (it's too much fun... again ?) intro to "Sentimental fool", or the synth-jam of "She sells" (sorry Mr Jobson) are to un-roxy to my hears - to be true, so are the not-so-good bass solos in Manifesto. Could it happen to me ? NO. Bye bye Xavier Seulement ici Antivirus en ligne: Scannez votre PC GRATUITEMENT maintenant Virifiez ici! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:21:07 -0800 From: Helene Kremer Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album I think what he meant was that Bryan hated In Your Mind.... My least played BF album has got to be Mamouna, can't stand that album. Bride Stripped Bare and In Your Minda are my top two faves, followed by Bete Noire and B&G. Helene On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 08:42 AM, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Why would Jim Lawn hating 'In Your Mind' effect Ferry's descision to > play > tracks from it live? > > In a message dated 29/11/2004 16:02:57 GMT Standard Time, > roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > I once asked Jim Lawn why - Tokyo Joe apart - In Your Mind's songs > never > feature in Ferry's > setlists. > > "He hates that album". ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:47:50 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album At 09.21 -0800 04-11-29, Helene Kremer wrote: >My least played BF album has got to be Mamouna, can't stand that album. Bride Stripped Bare and In Your Minda are my top two faves I love Mamouna, do not own the other two ... :-) - -- Daniel grooving the new U2 album, Chris Thomas and Brian Eno are among eight producers, Steve Lillywithe being numero uno ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:02:06 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album I went wild last year and bought the Ferry Solo cannon on CD. Still underwhelmed by the first two, but still not bad. In Your Mind HAS to be BF's most underrated disc. All Ferry originals, maybe you haters are really bad mouthing Anne O'dells strings & horns, and the back-up singers? Great record. LEAST FAVORITE? As Time Goes By. The ONLY track that has a glimmer of the Bryan I worship is I'm In The Mood For Love, (maybe because Manzanara plays on it). Played IITMFL for the teacher of a tango class I used to take and he said it was nasty, as in too sexy.(!!!) I'v been buying the Roxy CDs recently having lived with the Thrill Of It All till now. Flesh and Blood has to be the least interesting, but STILL a gem. ( this does not count Heart Still Thumpin', VIVA, or any bootlegs) Siren has always been a favorite, even with the green cover, It was my first Roxy purchase. (Psychologically people tend to not like green unless there's a picture of a president associated with it.) I also LOVE Manifesto. The recent revelation is Country Life, how could Grey Lagoons have been left off the Thrill compilation? Question for the experts: I always thought Prarie Rose was written for/about Jerry Hall. However since BF & JH didn't meet till the cover shoot for Siren, easily a year or so later... "He Picked me out of the modelling agency catalog" What's the dirt? Had BF been using her head-shot for stroke material all that time? Inquiring minds want to know!!! Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:30:36 EST From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album In a message dated 29/11/2004 16:02:57 GMT Standard Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: once asked Jim Lawn why - Tokyo Joe apart - In Your Mind's songs never feature in Ferry's setlists. "He hates that album". I have an interview on video of BF with Paul Gambacinni, I think it is called 'The Other Side Of The Tracks' and is from around 1984. Bryan said in that interview that IYM was his least favourite album because 'the chemistry wasn't right' He went on to talk about the songs being OK but just felt the musicians and arrangements weren't right for those songs. I have found that IYM is the album that irritates 'non fans' if I play that album as background music in the house, people always comment on his voice being irritating. I feel Ferry's voice sounds strained. It's as if he spent a lot of time and money on the backing tracks before he realised he needs to sing them in a lower key. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:54:34 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album At 15.02 -0500 04-11-29, DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: >Question for the experts: >I always thought Prarie Rose was written for/about Jerry Hall. It is. >However since BF & JH didn't meet till the cover shoot for Siren, easily a >year or so later... I think they had met before that. >"He Picked me out of the modelling agency catalog" Elle France I think. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:17:04 EST From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album In a message dated 29/11/2004 20:32:28 GMT Standard Time, JohnOBrien001@aol.com writes: I have found that IYM is the album that irritates 'non fans' if I play that album as background music in the house, people always comment on his voice being irritating. I feel Ferry's voice sounds strained. It's as if he spent a lot of time and money on the backing tracks before he realised he needs to sing them in a lower key. That's my least favourite of the BF albums I own (still don't own them all) - - incredibly fussy arrangements, self-conscious and strained; the lyrics are really fighting hard to 'out-clever' his previous work. His lyrics become much more (and eventually too) sparse thereafter; it's the first fully self-written solo album and I think it was the make-or-break in retrospect, as far as jettisoning Roxy was concerned. If it had flown as a solo album, I'm sure Roxy would have been history. So in that respect, I suppose it turns out to be my favourite :) Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _www.leesullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) won't help either ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:06:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Turner Subject: Re: [AVALON] Least-Played Album --- LeeSullivanart@aol.com wrote: If it (In Your Mind) had flown as a solo album, I'm sure > Roxy would have been history. Which might have happened had Ferry added Dance Away, originally recorded for IYM, to the released album. If the arrangement was pitched too high, the line 'and dance 'til dawn' must have only been audible to dogs. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:26:48 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [AVALON] least-listened >From: Helene >Oops! You're right, More than This was covered by N. Merchant and >10,000 maniacs. as others may have noted, this was the post-natalie merchant version of 10,000 maniacs. for better or worse, she didn't perform on that record; she'd already gone solo. my least-listened-to is probably 'bete noire' for solo BF, and maybe 'country life' or 'manifesto' for RM. something about 'CL' doesn't sound as organic and complete as 'stranded' or 'siren' (which is just about a perfect record, start to finish). but i also think that, outside of the brilliant first record, the chris thomas-produced records are the best. chris thomas never gets the credit he deserves (remember, too, that he produced 'never mind the bollocks' and the first couple/three pretenders albums, and the great, forgotten 'grand hotel' by procol harum). you can read an interesting interview with chris at this site, and he even mentions what it was like working with RM on 'stranded' in particular. 'Manifesto' is just not produced well, though it has some gorgeous songs on it. 'F&B' strikes me as a marked improvement, and 'avalon', like it or not, is exactly what bryan must have wanted it to be. http://bg.mixonline.com/ar/audio_producer_chris_thomas/ from the interview: CT: But here's another example of one thing leading to another. I did the live album with Procol Harum and the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, and John Cale heard what I did. He'd done an album with an orchestra and he liked that, so he contacted me about producing 1919. Roxy Music, after their first album, contacted John Cale to produce them and they said, "Which studio would you like to produce us in?" And John said AIR Studios. Well, I was doing some stuff at AIR with Procol when Bryan Ferry came by to look at the studio. I met him, then the thing with John blew out, so Bryan asked me to produce them. ... How did you make the transition into producing new wave bands in the mid-'70s? At the time there was a real sense of these bands trying to break from the past, yet here you were-you'd worked with Procol Harum and Badfinger and bands who were definitely part of the old guard. It wasn't a transition for me. It was all just music to me. I mean, when I first heard the Sex Pistols' demos that they brought to me, I thought, "This has the potential to be the best English rock band since The Who. It's a three-piece again-guitar, bass and drums." Do you recall why they approached you? I'd met Malcolm McLaren, and he was toying with the idea of managing the New York Dolls and first he asked me to produce them. Nothing came of that, but his next thing was he found the Sex Pistols; they tried working with Dave Goodman and it didn't work out for some reason, so Malcolm asked me. I said, "Let's have a listen," and I loved the demos. Then they sent the band around. Actually, John [Rotten/Lydon] wasn't invited, but the other three came out and I said, "Why me?" And Steve [Jones] and Paul [Cook] both liked a record I'd made with Ian Dury when he was in this band Kilburn & the High Roads, a thing called "Rough Kids." The first single was "Anarchy in the UK," which made quite an impression... "Anarchy" has something like a dozen guitars on it; I sort of orchestrated it, double-tracking some bits and separating the parts and adding them, et cetera. It sounded so raw I think at the time I assumed that it was live-in-the-studio. Oh no, it wasn't like that at all. It was quite labored. The vocals were labored, as well. Were they cool with that aesthetic? I thought they were into working fast, being spontaneous. We did the backing track without John being there. John was being kept in the dark by Malcolm the whole time. He didn't even know they were in the studio... To what end? I don't know. That's to do with them, or with Malcolm at least. Then it came time to do the vocal and John appeared in the control room. He had this amazing presence to him. So he went in to sing "Anarchy," and he basically just screamed into the microphone. So I went in to speak to him, and I tried to explain to him that I didn't think it was going to work like that. And he said, "Well, what should I do? You're the one with the track record." I said, "Let's go down to the pub." He was nervous and I probably looked straight and old to him. He was about 20; I was probably 30, which was a gap, especially then. But bit by bit we worked on it and it came together. And the reason it did come together as well as it did is they were serious. The publicity line is that Malcolm got these four no-no's and invented the whole thing, which is obviously not the case. John was quite brilliant. I remember when we mixed it, the others were asleep but John was sitting right behind me and he was really enthusiastic about it. So they were disciplined enough that you could ask for multiple takes or whatever you needed? Oh, definitely. But the whole making of the album was very weird because they kicked out Glen [Matlock, bassist] and we went into the studio on Boxing Day [December 26] and it was just Paul and Steve, and that afternoon we did "God Save the Queen," "Pretty Vacant" "EMI" and they put down a backing track for another tune, but they couldn't figure out what to do because it was just guitar and drums. I think they invited Glen in as a session guy, but he said no. So I asked Steve if he thought he could play some bass on it, and he went out there and first take he just plays the root notes of the chords he's been playing, because he's used to playing the bar chords. And that was it-that was the Sex Pistols sound. Because beforehand, when we did "Anarchy," we spent a day doing the backing track and edited it all up from different takes because it was very loose between bass and drums. Now it was just like a rock because Steve was just playing exactly what he did on the guitar, except on the one string. So suddenly it sounds like this tank rolling down! Did your colleagues in the profession ask you how you could sink so low? [Laughs] They certainly did. Every single one of them! "My God, what's he doing now?" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #304 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest