From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #289 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, November 11 2004 Volume 09 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy live album now tba ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy live album now February [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] 'You Make Me Feel Like Leaving' (on topic....in a way) ["And] Re: [AVALON] 'You Make Me Feel Like Leaving' (on topic....in a way) [LeeS] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:25:40 -0500 From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response Sorry, I tussled with whether to send this reply to Avalon or not, having already sent it direct offlist to Daniel who asked for input to an article he's writing on the 'failure' of Live Aid. Hopefully I deterred those who hate off-topic mail by my selected title, but I fell to the temptation (as I so often do - I can resist anything but temptation!) of wider proliferation... Daniel It's very easy with 20-20 20-year hindsight to suggest that Live Aid and Band Aid and a thousand other projects designed to remedy famine disaster situations somehow failed. But what are the terms of reference, the criteria for success or failure? I can't argue with much of what you have written in the e-mail to Avalon. BUT did Live Aid "fail"? Bob Geldof wasn't the only person who was devastated by the footage or famine-torn Africa on that Michael Buerk report. But he was moved to do something about it. Imagine how people who had been working for Oxfam and other such projects for decades must have felt. Overnight (almost), Geldof put the spotlight of the world on the problem and set about trying to solve it, despite it being a situation that has reoccurred for millennia. One man, a history of disaster worldwide. What were the odds? True, as Midge Ure now curmudgeonly will tell anyone who listens, the Rats were at the end of their career and Bob was rattling around looking for something to embrace. But what were the odds of a descendent pop star pulling it off? True, the ascendent pop stars could have (and I am sure some did) put their hands in their pockets, rather than turn up at a studio or arena. But in turn, millions put their collective hand in a pocket. And food WAS moved around the globe to help those starving thousands. More importantly, the focus of Band Aid was moved to setting up projects that would make those that survived self-sufficient. And people did survive, they live today and they are self-sufficient. Is that failure? True, food was stopped along the various routes tried. True, millions of pounds worth of charitable endeavour was all for nought. But surely if the size of the effort was such that some of the food got through because the political motivators had caused the famine but they could NOT stop the sheer volume of aid, surely that is a success? I don't know how many people were saved through the efforts of Live Aid, maybe you'll find out and tell us, but surely their lives are not symptomatic of failure? Best wishes Richard Mills PS None of the above is to say that all musical contributions were equally great, or equally worthy, but the charitable endeavour was not a failure by a very long chalk! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:56:40 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy live album now tba - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Atterbom" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy live album now tba > Swedish EMI/Virgin's official release schedule lists: > > Roxy Music, Live at the Beeb, unique BBC recordings is now tba (to be announced) instead ofApril. > Hoping to get a jump on the release of "First Kiss? " G ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:23:12 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy live album now February Swedish EMI/Virgin's new, improved official release schedule list is now: Roxy Music, Live at the Beeb, unique BBC recordings is now 23 February. And that's all I know folks. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:21:45 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response > > It's very easy with 20-20 20-year hindsight to suggest that Live Aid and Band Aid and a thousand other projects designed to remedy famine disaster situations somehow failed. > > But what are the terms of reference, the criteria for success or failure? > > I can't argue with much of what you have written in the e-mail to Avalon. BUT did Live Aid "fail"? In his haste to play world savior, Geldof never took the time to fully research the actual problem, which was that the people in those devastated areas wren`t starving to death, they were BEING starved to death. As I understand it, there was a bountiful food supply sitting in warehouses across the region that was being used to keep the people submissive and in check. But much of this food was beginning to rot. Live Aid was a God-send to those very people in command. It supplied a fresh supply of food to be used against the very people it was supposed to help. I would really like to hear opinions on this from the artist who appeared at Live Aid. I wonder how many really cared or just used it as a spring board for a new album or PR. G ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:36:49 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response Springboard for new album merchants? Step forward Bryan Ferry hence Slave to Love, Sensation and Boys and Girls rather than the more approriate (ie crowd pleasing) Lets Stick Together, Love is The Drug and Virginia Plain. I don't think Geldof did it to play world saviour at all. I think the man recognised things needed to be done quickly and therefore did what he could. Frankly if one child had been saved by the efforts of Geldof and co it would have been well worth it. Maybe if everybody took his example things would change more than fractionally. For my money the dvds are the lesser for not including Geldofs 'Give us your f-ing money rants.' J In a message dated 10/11/2004 17:11:00 GMT Standard Time, tmoq@pipeline.com writes: In his haste to play world savior, Geldof never took the time to fully research the actual problem, which was that the people in those devastated areas wren`t starving to death, they were BEING starved to death. As I understand it, there was a bountiful food supply sitting in warehouses across the region that was being used to keep the people submissive and in check. But much of this food was beginning to rot. Live Aid was a God-send to those very people in command. It supplied a fresh supply of food to be used against the very people it was supposed to help. I would really like to hear opinions on this from the artist who appeared at Live Aid. I wonder how many really cared or just used it as a spring board for a new album or PR. G ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:32:08 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] OFF-TOPIC Avalon response In the end the editor turned down the piece on Live aid, thank you for your input, but the matter is closed for my part. I'll leave you with Amartya Sen, a 1998 Nobel price winner in Economics, who in "East and West: The Reach of Reason" writes: "For example, famines can remain unchecked on the mistaken presumption that they cannot be averted through immediate public policy. Starvation in famines results primarily from a severe reduction in the food-buying ability of a section of the population that has become destitute through unemployment, diminished markets, disruption of agricultural activities, or other economic calamities. The economic victims are forced into starvation whether or not there is also a diminution of the total supply of food. The unequal deprivation of such people can be immediately countered by providing employment at relatively low wages through emergency public programs, which can help them to share the national food supply with others in the community." - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:12:30 -0000 From: "Alan Wellbelove" Subject: [AVALON] New TOTP DVD The BBC have just released a 40th anniversary edition DVD of 'Top of the Pops' featuring a performance from each of the last 40 years. The choice for 1972 is 'Virginia Plain'. See link below for full track listing: http://www1.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=285;5;-1;-1&sku=112434 Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:16:35 -0000 From: "Andy Harrison" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'You Make Me Feel Like Leaving' (on topic....in a way) Ahem...early 70's 73 Stranded tour to be precise - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: [AVALON] 'You Make Me Feel Like Leaving' (on topic....in a way) > Singer Leo Sayer is quitting Britain in protest at the state of the music > industry. > The curly-haired star - who last had a top 10 hit in 1982 - is emigrating to > Australia where he still has a loyal fanbase. > Sayer, 57, says record bosses are more interested in signing X-Factor > contestants and copycat boy bands than real talent. > "I would love the record industry to be more receptive to my music but all > they are interested in is style over content," he said. > "Because I don't go to showbiz parties, I don't have the right image. The > media decides who's in and who's out. But my early records are as popular as > they've ever been. > "I'm not uncool - I went to a boxing match the other day and the crowd were > chanting my name so I know they like me. > "It's a shame because people would love to hear something new from Leo > Sayer." > He added: "The music industry here is full of cynicism and it disturbs me. > "Nobody wants to stand up and take a risk. I'm sure there are plenty of > people out there who don't like Robbie Williams but he is presented to the public > in such a way that they have no choice." > Sayer had a string of hits in the Seventies including You Make Me Feel Like > Dancing and When I Need You. He supported Roxy Music on tour in the late > seventies. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:33:35 EST From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'You Make Me Feel Like Leaving' (on topic....in a way) In a message dated 11/11/2004 03:45:03 GMT Standard Time, dark.images@ntlworld.com writes: Ahem...early 70's 73 Stranded tour to be precise and, more directly, worked with the Explorers. BTW - thanks to Richard Mills and his Wizard of Oz powers, I met Brian Eno the other night. Lovely chap. Both of them! Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: _http://www.LeeSullivan.co.uk_ (http://www.leesullivan.co.uk/) won't help either. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #289 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest