From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #231 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, September 13 2004 Volume 09 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard [Heather Marie Buch ] [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 1 [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 2 [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras [Joel Hurd <] [AVALON] Rolling Stone [JenCohn201@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras ["Judy Kaufm] Re: [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 1 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] SOTW: "Like A Hurricane" [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop ["trip" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:11:41 +0200 (METDST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard Oh, thank god it's Neil Young instead...I had almost lost all respect for Vapor. Sometimes Scott Walker reminds me a *bit* of Neil Diamond, and then I have to turn him off. But I really love some of Walker's songs. Heather On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Han Snijders wrote: > Vapor knew a lot about music, but these days he don't know the difference > between Neil Diamond and Neil Young. Strange! > Shakey is Neil Young' biography. BTW Vapor Records is Neil Youngs record > label > > Han (off topic I know) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:50:27 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras Hi, Joel, John and all. I dug out my second-hand (from Amazon Z-shops or whatever they're called) copy of the US DVD Video Collection. I wanted to check the regional coding etc. No booklet, no mention of coding anywhere on the packaging. Anyone else have one with a booklet? Did it never have a booklet, perhaps? Of course it is bound to be NTSC even if it is multiregion. I have a chipped UK player so it will play fine whether it's Region 1, 2 or zero; hence I have no idea which it is. I agree with Joel, a PAL collection is well overdue. In my dreams it contains all the old TOTP, Whistle Test and German TV clips. Ha ha! Fat chance, eh? Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:03:20 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawley" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:50 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras > Hi, Joel, John and all. > > I dug out my second-hand (from Amazon Z-shops or whatever they're called) > copy of the US DVD Video Collection. I wanted to check the regional coding > etc. > > No booklet, no mention of coding anywhere on the packaging. > > Anyone else have one with a booklet? Did it never have a booklet, perhaps? Anyone wanting to turn off/change the regional coding of their DVD player can go to http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php and simply type in their model #. Woked great for me and was very easy. Good luck. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:16:43 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Manchester review says it all Bryan Ferry appeared tonight at 'Fashion Manchester' in the city's Manchester's Bridgewater Hall. He closed the show with a performance of Slave To Love, Don't Stop The Dance, Love Is The Drug & Let's Stick Together accompanied by Sharon White & Michelle John on backing vocals and a backing tape of the original recorded versions. From _www.vivaroxymusic.com_ (http://www.vivaroxymusic.com) Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Show You The Way To Go - Jacksons ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:33:42 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Thrill Of It All - Winners list Finally, the contest to win a signed copy of The Thrill Of It All by David Buckley is closed. There were 75 entries in all and only four people could win (this time round). Brand new hardcover books with signed plate by the author will be going to each of the following: Maggie Curran Roswell, GA USA Gerrit Hillebrand Haaksbergen The Netherlands M.Murfin Durham UK Shelley Clarke Yarralumla AUSTRALIA Congratulations to all! I hope to follow up this contest with other opportunities in the future. Keep reading this newsgroup for details... If you would like to order a mail-order copy of the book, it's listed at all good bookstores including _http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0233051139/qid%3D1095006533/202-3433 060-5765448_ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0233051139/qid=1095006533/202-3433060-5765448) Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Windows Of The World/What The World Needs Now - Luther Vandross ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:51:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manchester review says it all "FASHION Manchester ended in style last night as singer Bryan Ferry rocked the Bridgewater Hall at the event's grand finale... ...hundreds packed the venue to see him and weren't disappointed... http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/130/130106__pop_style_king_ferry_fashions_a_grand_finale.html Regards Chris --- Chandla911@aol.com wrote: > Bryan Ferry appeared tonight at 'Fashion Manchester' in the city's > Manchester's Bridgewater Hall. He closed the show with a performance of Slave To Love, > Don't Stop The Dance, Love Is The Drug & Let's Stick Together accompanied by > Sharon White & Michelle John on backing vocals and a backing tape of the > original recorded versions. ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:49:27 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manchester review says it all Indeed it does. A once exciting and stimulating performer sings his well worn hits (again) to a crowd of hundreds rather than thousands rather than writing, recording and releasing new material. J As any proper journo will tell you thats hardly a review. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:44:39 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawley" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:50 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras >I dug out my second-hand (from Amazon Z-shops or whatever they're called) > copy of the US DVD Video Collection. If anyone owning this can make a copy for me (since it's oop in the US), I will pay all expenses. Thanks, Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:11:24 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop - ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Hurd To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop >While we're on the subject - what are the chances that BF's new album >will be another one containing a significant number of cover versions? When Robert Plant released Dreamland, he was asked why he would do covers. His reply was, "The well is dry." I saw him interviewed from the US Open tennis tourney a couple of days ago and he will be releasing a new CD soon that he says is some of the best writing he's ever done. I've felt that, with a few exceptions, Bryan's well ran dry about the time of F+B. I don't mind the covers as much as many of you, though I too would prefer originals. When I hear BF sing Falling In Love Again or Rescue Me, I'm also hearing Marlene Dietrich and Fontella Bass. I think I would find the covers more acceptable if they were less well-known songs. Roxy/Ferry are still my favorites and probably always will be. If there's nothing new ever again, I have a large volume of material to enjoy, but outside of compilations, I'll buy what is offered. Should there again be a tour that comes near me, no matter the setlist, I'll be there. I can't complain about something that I have no hope of changing. Perhaps Colleen will reinstate song of the week to bring the discussion to a more positive vein. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:10:12 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 1 In a message dated 10/09/04 13:21:35 GMT Daylight Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: I do think that the general tone of the conversation in Avalon is unbalanced, in its unceasing criticism of Ferry. Surely I'm not the only person who has enjoyed the last few years? I don't think it is unbalanced at all. Ferry was getting a lot of praise when it was due the last few years. The interest and positive vibes form this list are parrallel with Ferry's output. The ATGB tour was fresh and exciting. Bryan took the bull by the horns on that tour. He made a brave decision to sing an album of 'singers' songs and put his voice right out front with an album like that. His arrangements of Chance Meeting, Bittersweet and the never performed before Sunset where highlights of the show for many avid fans as well has having the obligatory classic singles like Slave To Love, Jealous Guy etc for fans less familiar with his more obscure work. We accepted Jealous Guy etc as we were getting things like Sunset etc. The Roxy tour was something else, another risk that paid off hugely,. The set although static was a good balance from all the albums catering for the passing fans as well as many classics like Mother Of Pearl etc for the sort of fan who subscribes to this list. Look through the archives and you will see many positive and optimistic post written during that period. The Frantic tour was a big disappointment at show 1 in Denmark. I was so surprised to see so many of the just finished Roxy tour songs done in exactly the same way. That tour had an interesting period from around September - December 2002 when the odd new song would pop in for 1 or two shows then back out again. Just Like You, Hiroshima spring to mind. The tour then went into 'safe mode' and each show became predictable. A static set list is expected, as someone pointed out on another post by every band who tours. That is acceptable, BF/RM have done that for years and for some reason that never bothered us. The answer to that is fairly simple. The previous tours and tours by other bands (and BF) would have a new album, tour, set etc by the time the next time they visited a city again. That was the problem with this tour that a lot of (not all) areas were visited several times with the exact same show. His last two albums were critical and commercial successes (Virgin have 3 people assigned to him which indicates a rekindled interest on their part), and he will have a new album out next year. A sequence of three years between albums, given the difficult artistic processes involved, seems entirely reasonable for a man fewer than 400 days from his 60th birthday. Don't infer any lack of effort from his reluctance to release albums. He really is constantly working on material. It's just that his style of working, and attention to detail, demand time. Those albums did receive some good press there is no denying that. Jo Dolce got to number one with Shaddup You Face in 1981 too. His albums like Boys And Girls, Bete Noire & Mamouna just appeared after a lengthy absence and when you listen to them you can hear the care and effort on every detail of the production and multi tracking and where every minute went on those albums, I fail to hear that on Frantic. His touring gives as many people as possible the chance to see him live, not something we can say of long periods of his career. He has repeatedly said that he will continue to tour in the future. At concerts I don't hear groups of people moaning about the setlist, I hear hundreds of people having a good time. They may not know who played the bongos on As The World Turns, but the point is they don't have to. The lack of change in the setlist will not affect 98% of the audience, and in any case let's put the lie to that nonsense. Saying you wouldn't go to a concert in case you hear the same songs is as idiotic as saying you'll throw your albums away because you've heard them before. I've been to many gigs with a similar setlist, but I've never been to two gigs that were the same. There is no doubt many people enjoy those shows no one has ever denied it but it is obvious to me that the crowds are getting smaller. I have heard and witnessed many people at shows loving every minute of it but I also heard many disgruntled fans especially at Thetfrod and Oxford. His vouice was knackered then but even as far back as Crathes I heard a lot of people complain about how short the show was. There is more foolishness here regarding the compilations. They're not aimed at anyone here, and more fool you if you shell out on them. Compilations are intended to appeal to mass markets and new audiences - A housewife looking for a few songs from her youth, a kid hearing Franz Ferdinand naming Roxy as an influence might pick up a #6.99 compilation and understand what we're on about. There is no foolishness here at all about the compilation albums, I quoted some statistics not an opinion on the amount of compilations. I know by a mile these are not aimed at us and thankfully I didn't have to pay for the last one. It is not often we get the chance to talk about tunes being changed on this list but you have changed your tune about compilation albums as your comment on this list on the last one used the words flogging, dead and horse. The whole point about these posts about compilation albums and static set lists is that we are not complaining about what he is doing but more the case that we are complaining about how they are in the way of what we would like him to do. I write as an avid fan concerned that my favourite artist is fading into obscurity after the work he did from 1999-2002. Continued ... on second post ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:10:26 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 2 If Ferry is to sustain a commercial career, he has to maintain a broader appeal than the 300 inhabitants of Avalon, and that means live appearances, TV, Miss World, Selfridges et al. That's how he maintains his visibility, and his income. The good burghers of Avalon wouldn't fill one quarter of the smallest venue on his tour, and our combined sales wouldn't buy him dinner for a week. I don't think there are many people on this list naive enough to think we play a big part in the overall picture of Ferry's income. If over Ferry's career you bought every album once on vinyl and then on CD and every single once as well as gone to 2 local shows each tour it would set you back around #1000 at today's prices. Ferry's personal cut from that would be no more than #200 which is all I or most avid fans have given him directly over 30 years. We come to this list not to write or read posts from the 98% of the audience who only have Ferry's Greatest Hits, that they bought while doing the weekly shopping in TESCO, we write to other like minded fans. We write on a different level because the 300 or whatever the statistic is who have subscribed to this list did so presumably due to their interest level on Ferry being similar. I would never have these conversation with some of the passing fans I know at work etc. Step back and have a look. We are lucky that BF is still relevant, available and trying to make good music after 32 years in the business. It wouldn't hurt to hear that in here once in a while. Is Ferry still relevant?? (Franz Fedinand/Scissors Sisters etc are influenced by the Roxy albums of over 30 years ago. Available??? (Well if you are a corporate company no problem) Trying to make good music??? You have to admit 1 and a half albums of original material from the 4 he has released in the last 17 years is not a good output. I just feel that Ferry has become everything I admired him for not being. I admired him for creating some great innovative music with his sound and muse stamped all over it. 'Mamouna' though not his best songs was the last album that sounded like the work of Bryan Ferry. Take his voice off that album and you still know it is his album, you can't say that for the last two albums with the exception of maybe 'Hiroshima'. I admired him in the past for playing interesting sets and not just churning out the hits. Some people who don't even own a Ferry album would know most of the songs played the last two years. The shows have become so predictable. I would like to draw a line under this whole set list/compilation album subject but the main point has always has seemed to be missed.There are so many say 'I am just glad to see him I don't care if it is the same over and over' I am glad to get the chance to see him too and if all he had to sing was those songs then so be it but if we had a choice as fans (I know we don't) we would rather he did the other stuff he ignores even the many hits he has not played live for years, It's frustrating more than anything. I think some people some times see Bryan as 'doing no wrong' and those rose tinted glasses stop them from seeing the alternative better 'rights' Bryan has his reasons to do what he has done lately and would also have his reasons for not doing what I would prefer him to do. I too have the right to be jaded by it all and I just live in hope he will return in the future to his former productive, innovative and original self to stimulate the passion I have for the fine history behind him. J.O'B. (Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music Fan) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras - --- Judy Kaufman wrote: > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with xtras > > >I dug out my second-hand (from Amazon Z-shops or whatever they're > >called) copy of the US DVD Video Collection. > > > If anyone owning this can make a copy for me (since it's oop in the > US), I will pay all expenses. Point 1.) If it's out of print, then more reason than any for a better PAL release to be made of the music videos. Point 2.) Making copies of commercial releases? Really? - ---joel _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:09:20 EDT From: JenCohn201@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Rolling Stone There is a gorgeous full page ad and an adoring review of "The Platinum Collection" in this months Rolling Stone. Now my 2 cents. When I first joined this list I couldn't believe the amount of complaining. Being American I thought maybe this is just an English cynicism thing. Whatever it is I'm just not sure it serves any purpose. I am just so grateful that BF is alive and working his craft, whether it be writing or interpreting. Bryan Ferry covers are some of the most beautiful pieces of music to me in the world. Bryan Ferry isn't over, he is simply a man living his life. To expect anything at all would be a crime. Which one of us would have had the foresight to have created Roxy Music in the first place? I don't see why we think we can call the shots now. We vote by buying or not buying. But complaining? Who does that help? There should only be one wish for Bryan and all, and that is health and happiness. The rest just follows. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:03:03 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras - ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Hurd To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras - --- Judy Kaufman wrote: >Point 2.) Making copies of commercial releases? Really? It is ***not*** available commercially. It is Out Of Print in the US. I search local retailers who sell used DVD's weekly. I have my name on online retail alert lists. I haven't purchased the one currently available at Amazon.com because the owner states the condition as 'good' for $43.00. No thanks, I'll keep looking. Is it better to pay double, triple (or more) for a used commercial release, than costs for a copy? Does the artist benefit if I purchase a used copy from a private seller at grossly inflated prices? Do you really think that seller will send the manufacturer a packet of money and a note stating that he resold his DVD and here's their part? Judy Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] (possible misdiagnosis) Part 1 On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: > Dolce got to number one with Shaddup You Face in 1981 too. His albums > like Boys And Girls, Bete Noire & Mamouna just appeared after a lengthy > absence and when you listen to them you can hear the care and effort on > every detail of the production and multi tracking and where every minute > went on those albums, I fail to hear that on Frantic. I'm not saying that you're wrong in this observation John, but I would suggest that this slapdash (ha ha as of course even in slapdash mode Mr. Ferry is still quite particular) mode of production is what gives _Frantic_ its unique, and I would say refreshing, buoyancy. Don't get me wrong--I am still committed to The Bahi Plan For Learning to Enjoy _Mamouna_. But I still, at least for the moment, prefer _Frantic_ to _Mamouna_. Colleen p.s. but in my book, _Boys and Girls_ trumps them all. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Judy Kaufman wrote: > Perhaps Colleen will reinstate song of the week to bring the discussion > to a more positive vein. I'd just thought about this this morning--I'll send something out in a bit! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] SOTW: "Like A Hurricane" OK, so I couldn't resist (for a number of reasons). For the new folks, since we haven't done this in a few years, this is how the Song of the Week (SOTW) works: Once a week I post the lyrics to a Ferry or Roxy song and invite discussion on it. Then we all discuss it. Please note: - --Participation in this thread is not "mandatory". - --All other threads underway continue as before, and you are welcome to start any other on-topic threads you wish. If you hate this this thread, I'll always start it with "SOTW:" in the header so you can put it in your killfile and never have to read the discussion. Without further ado: The song of the week is "Like A Hurricane" (familiar to most of us from the _Viva Roxy_ EP or the video). As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and these are only suggestions: love it? hate it? lyrics/music it changed my life live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) the video (if any) that reminds me... Like A Hurricane (Neil Young, as performed live by Roxy Music 1982-83) Once I thought I saw you In a crowded hazy bar Dancing on the light From the star to star Far across the moonbeams I know that's who you are I saw youre brown eyes Turning once to fire You are like a hurricane There's calm in your eyes And I'm getting blown away To somewhere safer Where feelings stays I want to love you But I'm getting blown away I am just a dreamer But you are just a dream You could have been anyone to me Before that moment you touched my lips That perfect feeling when time just slips Away between us on your foggy trips ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:53:02 +0100 From: "trip" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop I'm with you, Judy, I love most of the covers Bryan's done. They brought artists to me that I normally wouldn't have listened to. They're never cloned but always reworked with a personal stamp! I think most of the anarchy has been aimed at the frustration of repeated compilations, probably forced by the record companies, trying to reach a newer audience or the occasional Roxy/Ferry opportunist who could almost build a full back catalogue with just a few purchases? I think the man is probably just tired and needs time to catch his breath before tackling new material!? ToM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Kaufman" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry webshop > > When I hear BF sing Falling In Love Again or Rescue Me, I'm also > hearing Marlene Dietrich and Fontella Bass. I think I would find the > covers > more acceptable if they were less well-known songs. > > I have a large volume of material to enjoy, but > outside of compilations, I'll buy what is offered. > Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #231 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest