From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #230 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, September 12 2004 Volume 09 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: Scissor Sisters [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?] Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end ["Thomas Wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Disgruntlement etc. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard ["Pasi Toivo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end I do not expect any new material to be any where near the brilliance of ROXY or the young FERRY All good things come to an end Where once he could do no wrong now the exact is opposite The coolness to fans , same old play lists ,OK albums, stupid remarks in near death situation (he was alarmed by the would be hijackers socks),old git with young girl ,signed albums #25. I used to go to Ferry concerts to be inspired now I go to remember. He is a tribute band to his former self. - --- Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/09/2004 20:32:58 GMT Standard > Time, > thom.wallace@ntlworld.com writes: > > I know a fair amount of people who are Roxy/Ferry > fans who are not on the > internet and believe me the criticisms that have > been voiced on this list > over the last 12 months are definitely > representative of their views as > well. If we do finally get a new album I just hope > that it will be "new", > and not a patchwork of material going back eight > years. > > > > > > To be a fan doesn't mean you have to be on an > internet discussion list. My > husband is a fan of several bands (not RM/BF), but > would not dream of joining > an internet discussion list, these things are for > people who haven't got > anything better to do (me included of course), but I > usually enjoy reading the > posts, or if not enjoy them, get a good laugh out of > them. > And, on some occasions, get some info that I would > normally not find > anywhere else... > > Cheers, > Goodie > N.P. EN-November > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:34:10 +0100 From: "Thomas Wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john barry" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end > I used to go to Ferry concerts to be inspired now I go > to remember. Well I suppose you could always apply for the job composer for the James Bond movies to kill some time. Cheers, Tom ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:55:59 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end At 13:15 11-09-2004 +0100, john barry wrote: ... >All good things come to an end > >Where once he could do no wrong now the exact is >opposite Well, didn't he thanks us all on ATGB? "This Golden Years, I spent with you" 2HB ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] is anyone in contact with Victor Hastings? I apologize for doing this but I have no working email address for him-- He's trying to subscribe to the list with a new address, but unless I give the software a "spam-protected ZoEmail keyed address" posts sent to his address will bounce (as have my private emails to that address to resolve this). If you are in contact with him at his new email address, please ask him to drop me a note at cjem@his.com. Thanks! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end Some of your comments, John, are rather provocative and unfair, in my opinion. > I do not expect any new material to be any where near > the brilliance of ROXY or the young FERRY My variation on this point is that I wouldn't expect any new material to have the *consistent* brilliance of Roxy or the young Ferry. But I definitely feel he's more than capable of unleashing brillance, if he ever finds the cork-opener once more. > All good things come to an end > > Where once he could do no wrong now the exact is > opposite Bryan can do no right? Hey, I might be disappointed with certain recent decisions from the isle of Ferry, but I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as to say he's just doing wrong things all the time. > The coolness to fans , same old play lists ,OK albums, > stupid remarks in near death situation (he was > alarmed by the would be hijackers socks),old git with > young girl ,signed albums #25. I'd agree on the albums bit, and slightly less agree on the setlists, but his remarks about the plane hijacking was tongue-in-cheek, and bravo to him if he hooks up with a pretty young thing. But you're right about the signed albums. I can't see who these are targeted at. :-? > I used to go to Ferry concerts to be inspired now I go > to remember. > > He is a tribute band to his former self. Sigh. I feel there is an element of truth to that comment. Alas. As others have mentioned, the ATGB direction was a breath of fresh air. Keep us guessing (in a good way) Bryan! I'm not asking for some crazy-ass costume (the next gaucho garb) combined with an album of yodelling fundamentalist christian cover songs. 8-P But some original songs with something you've never tried before. Example: Personally I wouldn't mind a complete 'balls-out' hard rock album. The energy of Judas Priest (minus the tacky attire). Something frivolous and uninhibited! Again, that's just a thought thrown out there to stir the imagination, avalonians. :-) - ----joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:31:28 EDT From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Disgruntlement etc. Chris wrote : >This is the first year in Avalon's history when the membership has fallen. I attribute this to a handful of self-styled 'real fans' who continually criticise every minute aspect of Ferry's life and career, and who are neither representative of Avalon's membership, or Ferry's broader fanbase.< My favourite thing is when folks say "that's it -- I'm not buying the next album" or "I'm done -- I'm not going to support this tour", or "I'm not going to bother buying the next book/reading the next article...etc etc" .... BUT THEN THEY STILL DO! It reminds me of a bad marriage. One mate griping incessantly (and really, undeservedly) about the other, but STILL STAYING IN THE RELATIONSHIP. I empathize with those who spent so much money and time supporting cancelled/shortened tour dates, it was a bit of bad luck for everyone concerned. I have a friend in the medical field who has told me vocal strain is similar to a "soft tissue injury", it's impossible to measure and can come and go, while the patient feels otherwise fine, the speaking voice may not even be affected. He may be able to really belt one out in the shower, but 2 hours later the vocal muscles may refuse to cooperate. Obviously if Bryan had the flu or whatever, the dates would simply have been cancelled outright. But what he apparently had was a quirky, unpredictable problem. Impugning bad motives to him in this whole matter is something that ought to be reconsidered. In a very real sense, Ferry works for us, for the fans. Who would you rather work for, someone who looks for your positive attributes and is patient when things are hard for you, or someone who scolds and criticizes whenever things don't go as well as they might? Encouragement is a positive thing. Scolding and griping is a negative thing. None of us have the ability to put ourselves in Ferry's shoes and see what is keeping him from writing new material, or honing existing unreleased material. Obviously his manager, his record company, his bandmates, and his fanbase would all be delighted should he begin to do so again, it would be a positive thing economically for him as well. Plus, I'm sure everyone knows by now that some folks close to Ferry (if not Ferry himself) are aware of the internet fanbase. Wouldn't it be a sad thing if the wrong person were to stumble upon the list on a particularly vitriolic day, and become very discouraged by what he read here? Negativity in whatever form it takes is sure to make it even less likely he will become confident, comfortable, or whatever combination of feelings it will take for him to feel creative again.... Just my two cents.... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:49:42 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] All good things come to an end --- Joel Hurd wrote: > > > My variation on this point is that I wouldn't expect > any new material > to have the *consistent* brilliance of Roxy or the > young Ferry. But I > definitely feel he's more than capable of unleashing > brillance, if > he ever finds the cork-opener once more. > > Joel I feel that a lot of Ferrys best work was due to the fact that he was still incontact with his original roots and therefore was a mixture of lower and higher class that gave him a unique creative outlook Now it seems to me he is totally emersed in the upper class lifestyle and has lost that grounding and hence makes and produces one dimensional desicions both in his music and life style. __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:47:05 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Stuff Well, those last few digests made interesting reading. I've been a Roxy/Ferry fan for as long as I can remember, I probably always will be. I enjoyed the ATGB and Roxy reunion tours immensely, but to be honest, I passed the point of caring a couple of years ago. My thoughts at the moment are, why should we really give a shit? There's things in life far more important and interesting and distressing and enjoyable (and whatever else) than anything Bryan Ferry can now provide us with. As for a new Roxy album? No thanks. We got all we needed, why spoil it. I read the new book by David Buckley, and thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought he did a good job of what potentially could have been as dull as ditchwater. Ferry The Man is hardly the most interesting of subjects, and I think the quote from Mick Rock in the book is spot on (page 91) - "His art was a lot more interesting than he was...I don't know how interesting [his] story is". But I think Buckley approached his subject in a very interesting manner, by detailing how Bryan Ferry became Bryan Ferry, and how those aspirations and pretentions are the recurring theme throughout his life. And also the missed opportunities, essentially a lack of self-confidence and procrastination. There maybe are a few too many Bowie comparisons, but it's very difficult not to make them. They were the only contemporaries that each had. It's just not realistic to align the career of either artist with the likes of Rod Stewart and Elton John, Ferry/Roxy and Bowie operated on a different level altogether. Lou Reed and John Cale were from another era, too influential to be contemporaries. For me, one of the most frustrating revelations was that John Cale was originally to have been producer of For Your Pleasure! What a collaboration that would have been! Don't get me wrong, FYP is probably the most complete Roxy album, but that creative partnership may have taken it even further. Or it could have failed miserably. We'll never know. But there's no mention of why prog-rock producer John Anthony was originally credited with production for side 2 of the album, with Chris Thomas credited on side one, for the credit later to be reduced to "thanks to John Anthony" and Thomas getting overall production credit. And what's all this about a new comp? I missed that one!!! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Disgruntlement etc. On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 LottieStreeter2@cs.com wrote: > In a very real sense, Ferry works for us, for the fans. Who would you > rather work for, someone who looks for your positive attributes and is > patient when things are hard for you, or someone who scolds and > criticizes whenever things don't go as well as they might? He doesn't work for us. > Encouragement is a positive thing. Scolding and griping is a negative > thing. > None of us have the ability to put ourselves in Ferry's shoes and see > what is keeping him from writing new material, or honing existing > unreleased material. Obviously his manager, his record company, his > bandmates, and his fanbase would all be delighted should he begin to do > so again, it would be a positive thing economically for him as well. > > Plus, I'm sure everyone knows by now that some folks close to Ferry (if > not Ferry himself) are aware of the internet fanbase. Wouldn't it be a > sad thing if the wrong person were to stumble upon the list on a > particularly vitriolic day, and become very discouraged by what he read > here? > > Negativity in whatever form it takes is sure to make it even less likely > he will become confident, comfortable, or whatever combination of > feelings it will take for him to feel creative again.... If the ramblings of people on Avalon would give Mr. Ferry such an extreme crisis of confidence, then he needs pretty serious psychological help. This list doesn't serve Mr. Ferry or his handlers. This is a list for people who are interested in music to talk about music. All opinions, whether positive or negative, are welcome. If you would like to defend Mr. Ferry, you are free to do so, just as those who wish to be more critical are offered the same freedom. Since I here, with respect to Avalon membership numbers: I don't give a rat's ass about how many people are subscribed to this list. If it has 10 members or 10,000 it's all the same to me. If the numbers fluctuate, that's OK. If people would prefer to particate elsewhere and leave, that's OK. I'm not doing this out of any sense of competition--I'm doing it because I have loved being part of this community over the last decade. In fact, along those lines, I've really enjoyed seeing familiar names resurface and give the timeline snapshots of what was going on on the list and in FerryWorld when they joined. And I also enjoy seeing new names pop up too--I hope we'll hear more from both groups. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:03:57 +0300 From: "Pasi Toivo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard Where I can go from here! From 199?. Regards Pasi Heart Still Beating Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music Collection www.heartstillbeating.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard > I also have been on and off since 98 and remember some of the other > members back then (including the illustrious Vapor). Pasi, are you > still out there?? > > Remember the "album" "Pastiche"? > > Helene > > Heather Marie Buch wrote: > > Fair enough, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to talk about my > favorite subject! ;-) Also I pine for the days of Vapor..... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:39:58 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Views I think a lot of people have come up with really good views, well expressed, on the recent thread. A couple of posts - expressing different perspectives - we're the most interesting I have read in ages on here. Whatever your viewpoint it's nice to be moved to contribute to a discussion again. - -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:12:59 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Death of a Lounge Lizard Heather Marie wrote: > No no, Vapors wit was unparalleled. Monquiboy was amusing, and I loved the > name, but his postings were never as well crafted. Also I loved Vapor's > contests. vapor wrote: I am still here, monitoring as usual. I have been busy as an International 3D Photographer, and alas, cannot contribute to public forums at this time. You may see some of my recent work--albeit non 3D, rather pedestrian, and regrettably hippie-related (favor for a friend)--in the recent Neil Diamond biography, "Shakey." Vapor knew a lot about music, but these days he don't know the difference between Neil Diamond and Neil Young. Strange! Shakey is Neil Young' biography. BTW Vapor Records is Neil Youngs record label Han (off topic I know) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras Current audio compilation grumbles aside, at some stage I do wish to see a high-quality transfer PAL release on DVD of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry PROMOTIONAL VIDEOS, preferably with a load of extras to exploit the format. Something cool to see would be a roundtable intro to each video by Ferry, and Manzo/Andy/Paul. In other words, a proper deluxe 2-disc DVD release. And of course, the inclusion of the "More Than This" and "Avalon" videos is a must! What say you, fellow avalonians? best, - ---joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:49:07 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras In a message dated 11/09/04 20:42:43 GMT Daylight Time, endofthelinejoel@yahoo.com writes: Current audio compilation grumbles aside, at some stage I do wish to see a high-quality transfer PAL release on DVD of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry PROMOTIONAL VIDEOS, The Video Collection released on video in 1995 has been transferred to DVD and is available in USA in multi region format. All Roxy/Ferry Video & DVD: _http://vivaroxymusic.com/videos_index.shtml_ (http://vivaroxymusic.com/videos_index.shtml) The Video Collection _http://vivaroxymusic.com/videos_13.shtml_ (http://vivaroxymusic.com/videos_13.shtml) J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy/Ferry music videos DVD release with extras > > at some stage I do wish to see a high-quality transfer PAL > > release on DVD of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry PROMOTIONAL VIDEOS, > > preferably with a load of extras to exploit the format. > > Something cool to see would be a roundtable intro to each > > video by Ferry, and Manzo/Andy/Paul. In other words, a proper > > deluxe 2-disc DVD release. > > > > And of course, the inclusion of the "More Than This" and "Avalon" > > videos is a must! > > > The Video Collection released on video in 1995 has been transferred > to DVD and is available in USA in multi region format. > > The Video Collection > http://vivaroxymusic.com/videos_13.shtml John - amazon and other websites state it is region-1 NTSC only. I definitely don't want to be buying NTSC if a PAL equivalent is available. And of course I mentioned MTT and Avalon because of the very item you mentioned above. A suitably *enhanced* DVD with those two videos is something I cross my fingers for. - ---joel _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:31:46 +0100 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: RE: [AVALON] Stuff Si mon Galloway said- > >There's things in life >far >more important and interesting and distressing and enjoyable (and whatever >else) than anything Bryan Ferry can now provide us with. sums it up. Life goes on. __________________________________________________________________ Get Tiscali Broadband From #15:99 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadbandhome/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #230 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest