From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #225 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, September 8 2004 Volume 09 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Bryans demise ["Amanda Eliot" ] Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Roxy Party [=?iso-8859-1?q?Mandy?= ] Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise [JohnOBrien001@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] You Decide. ["Thomas Wallace" ] [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even [robert@rwhiteford.f] Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy [helchat@earthlink.net] Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise ["Judy Kaufman" ] [AVALON] Onlist Apathy [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even [Jane Fraser ] Fw: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even ["Caledonia Cont] [AVALON] a new sensation [Heather Marie Buch ] RE: [AVALON] You Decide. ["Tracy Connell" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:11:56 +0000 From: "Amanda Eliot" Subject: [AVALON] Bryans demise What a lot of gloomy messages about Bryan being on his way out, etc! Doesnt anyone remember that even at Roxys peak, they were a cult band - glamorous, cool, but never popular, never a Slade or Bay City Rollers! I never met anyone who admitted to liking them. They've always been on the edge, quietly doing their own thing, and their fans have always been quietly appreciative, even obsessive, but not obvious in the manner of modern pop clones. And just as well. Roxy are true individuals, we dont need them to do whats expected. We definitely dont want them playing Smash Hits reunion tours, Butlins, or wearing leather and lame in Vegas. I'm up for the Roxy night in London on Oct 8th? Come on, we may be super cool laid back fans, but lets be supportive for once! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Premium gives you PC protection, junk-mail filters, advanced communication tools and great software like MSN Encarta. Premium. Click here for a FREE trial! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:25:36 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy I think that Bryan Ferry cares about his fans, but he is a very shy person. There has been several changes in his life lately and his age, 59 this year if I'm correct, is showing in his health problems. A singer must have a top notch voice. I found Phil Manzanera more outgoing then Mr Ferry. If they record something new it would be great, if not, we'll have to live with it. I like that latest Roxy live album more then I like Frantic, I have still to buy 6PM. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:45:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mandy?= Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Party With Sue's permission, here is her reply to my enquiry. Is ANYONE thinking of going?? The Roxy night we're doing is our second night at this venue (The Albany), and what we're trying to do is feature two bands per session - one from the 60s/70s and one from now! The idea is that we'll then play not only the music of the two featured bands (and lots of it, particularly in the case of Roxy who have a large back catalogue!) but also of bands/artistes influenced by them, and other music which fits in well. The venue doesn't usually do tickets in advance - it's a pay on the door arrangement. However, if we get lots of enquiries from Roxy and/or Franz Ferdinand fans in advance of the night, I expect we could sort something out with the people at the Albany and sell tickets before the night in question. We're big fans of Roxy and Brian Eno - in fact, I saw Roxy on the "For your pleasure" tour in Brighton (my Dad took me!!) and I've liked them ever since the first album, and so has my fellow DJ, Gerald. We also like Franz a lot and saw them recently at the Reading Festival. We're both into lots of old and new music, and want to cater for others with similar tastes. We did our first night last Friday (3 Sept) when we featured the Yardbirds and the White Stripes. While the attendance wasn't overwhelming, everyone who was there really enjoyed themselves and there was a lot of energetic dancing by all present. We really hope we get more people coming to the Roxy night - if we do and if it goes really well, we could always do another Roxy night next year. We've booked three nights at the Albany initially to see how it goes, and we're featuring different bands each night. The Albany (if you don't know it) is a large pub on the corner opposite Great Portland Street tube. The downstairs room (where the club takes place) holds 100 people max, has its own bar (pub prices!), its own loos and has even got air conditioning! There are lots of different things going on there - a mixture of comedy nights and other music nights. I hope this is enough info for you - do get in touch again if there's anything else you want to know, and/or if you want to reserve tickets in advance - the more the merrier!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:55:25 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise In a message dated 07/09/2004 11:20:19 GMT Daylight Time, strandlove@hotmail.com writes: > Come on, we may be super > cool laid back fans, but lets be supportive for once! I think the point is that we have been supportive and more than once too. Some interesting statistics: The first 15 years of Bryan's career we had 15 albums not counting live and ''best of's The next 17 years we have had 4 and only one and a half of them are original material. Since Bryan's last album full of original material in 1994 we have had 2 new albums, and only half of one is original material. In the same space of time we have had 7 compilations 5 of them this decade by the time this new one comes out next month. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:32:51 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise At 07.55 -0400 04-09-07, JohnOBrien001@aol.com wrote: >Since Bryan's last album full of original material in 1994 we have had 2 new >albums, and only half of one is original material. In the same space of time >we have had 7 compilations 5 of them this decade by the time this >new one comes >out next month. On the other hand, Mamouna (1994) is a masterpiece. One of the best albums of the 90's imho. See it this way, since The Beatles broke up, a small fraction of the 60-70 albums they released as solo performers were any good. Roxy's ratio is bigger. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:29:29 +0100 From: "Thomas Wallace" Subject: [AVALON] You Decide. Well folks it that time again, another badly put to gether compilation to ease the bank ballance. It's time to decide do you want to be taken for granted and buy the same songs again or do you just ignore it and hope that Roxy/EMI realise that the game's up. Personally like the last two compilations I'll be ignoring it and that's what I'd advise anybody else to do. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:49:42 +0200 (CEST) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even At least some of the reason I get so frustrated is because I do still care. I can't be the only one who wanted Bryan to reach what I thought was his full potential. Maybe he has, maybe he did. He certainly didn't have his achievments handed to him .But if you had said in 1985 that Slave to Love would be his last top ten hit very few would have agreed with you. Don't forget that this is a man who can still make it onto the front page of tabloids 19 years later. But he can't, it would seem, come up with the music anymore. I grew up telling my mates that Ferry was better than Bowie. More creative, more artistic, more talented, more cool. He's probably still more cool but today Bowie's standards leave him well behind. There is an almost tangible lack of self belief in what he has done since Roxy. In fact maybe there was always a lack of belief in his solo stuff. Why on Earth is "Which way to Turn" on a frantic b-side? Boring - lack of effort. But what really really bugs me (and I suspect some of you) is that the artist who spent #1m of his own money on making an album now appears to be grabbing any and every opportunity to make money - however uncool. Singing in Selfridges, touring a tired show whilst tired, doing reduced sets, releasing banal compilations every six weeks, cancelling shows at no notice. I had hoped that the plane problem, the divorce, the money worries, would inspire the artist to revisit his emotions and enter the studio for the Bride Stripped Bare volume two (or should that be the Bank Stripped Bare!?) or something similar. Because the ATGB tour was really excellent, and Frantic was OK if again suffering from mainstream production. Listen to the two versions of San Simeon...........why does the Only Face sound so good live?......... the mix is wrong on these studio albums. But no no no what we get is nothing, absolutely bog all. Brian Eno required I suspect. Tick Tick Time, running out of time, we'll soon be out of time. And still I hope for his triumphant return to the public eye because he's made a great album (not just an OK one) rather than beacuse his girlfriend is 21. - -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:20:59 -0700 From: helchat@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy I agree with Heather. If, God forbid, something were to happen, and Mr. Ferry were no longer in an earthly state, would the list disintegrate?? Would there no longer be any topic for conversation at all?? Helene Heather Marie Buch wrote: >I hardly ever listen to Bryan Ferry....Roxy Music is what's important. >They, to me, are the best band that ever was, is and will be. And I'm here >on Avalon to discuss Roxy Music, just as a list might discuss Led Zeppelin >or the Grateful Dead or Robert Johnson or any other artist of the past. >There's still plenty to discuss, isn't there? Lyric interpretations, past >concerts, new bands with a Roxy influence...I don't understand why we >need to focus on Bryan Ferry's career at all. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:55:10 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise - ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise > In the same space of time > we have had 7 compilations 5 of them this decade by the time this new one comes > out next month. I often just scan over posts about the compilations, much as I do the comps. themselves. Are you serious about there being another coming up? Platinum just released here in the US 2 weeks ago. Even the Jealous Guy/Avalon era fans have to be saturated with comps at some point but I guess they're making pots of money to continue in this vein. My wallet is closed until something new is offered. As much as I love Bryan Ferry, I think his muse has abandoned him. If the emotional turmoil he has been through over the past couple of years doesn't inspire some new songs I don't think anything will. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:31:28 -0400 From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Onlist Apathy Richard wrote : > Phil was talking last week on the radio about trying to get a new Roxy album together with the 1972 line-up; zero response from fans. Well what do you want us to say? Hey, that would be great! But does Phil have the power to pull something like this off? No, only Bryan does. My thought is we all know by now that Bryan does things when as as he feels like it. He is a creative force and a perfectionist, and the spirit has to move him. People like this produce in spurts. We just have to accept that. He has been through a rough patch in his personal life, but it produced what I thought was a really good tour (ATGB), then a Roxy Reunion tour (!!), which was wonderful. Then the "Live at the Apollo" DVD and the Roxy Reunion double CD. Then a new album (Frantic), then the 2-year Frantic tour. Some folks go on about the static setlists, but get the bootlegs from any tour and you will see the setlists are always about 85% the same. It's true that on this tour they approached 90% at times, but he pulled in some really interesting tidbits from the past, I'm referring to The Only Face, Carrickfergus, Boys and Girls... > Roxy played a private gig in London two months ago - nil response. I thought that that was a false rumour, so I stand corrected. Again, nil response is very disappointing. By the way, who is the source of the "nil response" quote? No-one (I hope) is suggesting that people on Avalon should have been invited by some kind of divine right, but why is it kept secret? Even after the event? No wonder there appears to be a diminished interest in the group's future. Again what are we supposed to say? I wish I was there? Okay, I wish I was there. Reasons for possible secrecy? Well maybe there is a little bit of embarassment, a twinge of 'sellout' factor. Bryan keeps telling interviewers how costly his divorce was, which I'm sure is quite true...I guess we'd have to know who hired them, how much was paid, who were in the audience, then I'm sure the reason for all the secrecy would become apparent. I think John and Joel are spot-on about the endless compilation parade, but Bryan's record company undoubtedly feels it makes good economic sense to release something every year or so. These compilations are not for us, they are for the casual fans, whose interest in Roxy/Ferry were likely reactivated by the reunion tour and the Frantic tour. That's my 2 cents... Lottie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:21:24 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 04:49 pm, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > grabbing > any and every opportunity to make money - however uncool. Presumably under pressure from his record company to cash in on the popularity of Sissor Sisters/Franz Ferdinand. But..............wouldn't it be nice if, instead of a compilation of "songs which made Roxy money", they would put one out of "songs which made Roxy great"? Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:36:48 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even I can't believe that the BF/RM compilations make that much on sales. They never stay in the top 100 for long (if at all) and fans and public alike are already spoiled for choice in terms of best of's out there already so it ain't due to demand. The Platinum Collection represented the last word for me. A comprehensive overview of Ferry and Roxy with articulate and interesting sleeve notes. All that was missing was a bonus b'sides disc. There's nowhere else to go now with Best Of's so whats the point? Bryan Ferry's had it? In terms of impressing his fan base then yes. There can't be much more patience left. At the risk of making the obvious comparison, lets look at Bowie: Greatest hits repackaged every 10 years or so. Given his rate of original releases that's fair enough. Tour features a generous set list including the hits for the casual attendees and the more obscure album tracks for the devotees and BECAUSE DAVID BOWIE ENJOYS PERFORMING THEM. Bowie taken ill on tour and immediatley and apologetically shuts up shop, thereby retaining support of the disappointed ticket holders. Brilliant interaction with fans. Now Ferry: Greatest hits on average every two years. Well, he's really a greatest hits artist now isn't he? As John said, all the good work from 1999 to 2002 has been frittered away thanks to.... the tour, which features a short and often shortened setlist with songs run through quickly...(draw your own conclusions as to why...) Ferry is ill on tour and cancels sporadic shows at very short notice or plays shorter sets with not even a whiff of a partial refund or some sort of concession on what were VERY expensive tickets. Interaction with fans (We are looking into the archive...message on the official site, supposedly from BF himself) crops up when there's something to sell (#25 +p&p signed cds). It's very telling that the first big discussion the list has seen in months (perhaps in over a year) is one of disgust and annoyance at how poorly things are handled, especially given how patient the fans have had to be over the last 18 years since Boys and Girls. J REFORM ROXY YA BASTAD!!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:41:26 +0100 From: "trip" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryans demise That's the problem, all we have are memories! There's not much happening at present but are repeats the only thing we have to look forward to, I hope not? All said and done, there's no show without Punch and if Bryan's given up the ghost with writing new material (and I'm praying he hasn't) then there's only the Tony Bennett and Barry Manilow trail to follow! As for being more supportive, I don't think Bry or Roxy could have had a more loyal following, period! Cheers, ToM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:13:31 -0400 From: "Caledonia Controls Inc." Subject: Fw: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even Well how the tides have turned.... I can recall sending an email to Avalon a couple of years ago with my comments on Ferry's commitment to recording a new album comprised completely of new music penned by himself. Mainly because I was fed up listening to reworks of someone else's work. He has, sorry had, the talent to do so many moons ago, but as some said he is now doing the glamour circuit, although I must admit he's got a long way to go to catch up with Tom Jones! I don't know of any other recording artists, and I include the whole of Roxy, who have released as many "Best Of's", Greatest Hits", "Top Tens" (by the way, that's a bootleg I have).....I admire Phil for his creativeness and creating some new and exciting music recently. Bryan, give us something new or hang yer boots up! (spoken by a true Scotsman!!) John Gray, Canada PS: Could Ferry become the new manager at Newcastle as he knows as much about entertaining paying "supporters" as the last few Toon bosses! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Bank Stripped Bare - By a Bachelor Even > I can't believe that the BF/RM compilations make that much on sales. They > never stay in the top 100 for long (if at all) and fans and public alike are > already spoiled for choice in terms of best of's out there already so it ain't > due to demand. The Platinum Collection represented the last word for me. A > comprehensive overview of Ferry and Roxy with articulate and interesting > sleeve > notes. All that was missing was a bonus b'sides disc. There's nowhere else > to go now with Best Of's so whats the point? > > > > Bryan Ferry's had it? In terms of impressing his fan base then yes. There > can't be much more patience left. > > At the risk of making the obvious comparison, lets look at Bowie: > > Greatest hits repackaged every 10 years or so. Given his rate of original > releases that's fair enough. > > Tour features a generous set list including the hits for the casual > attendees and the more obscure album tracks for the devotees and BECAUSE > DAVID BOWIE > ENJOYS PERFORMING THEM. Bowie taken ill on tour and immediatley and > apologetically shuts up shop, thereby retaining support of the disappointed > ticket > holders. > > Brilliant interaction with fans. > > > > Now Ferry: > > Greatest hits on average every two years. Well, he's really a greatest hits > artist now isn't he? As John said, all the good work from 1999 to 2002 has > been frittered away thanks to.... > > the tour, which features a short and often shortened setlist with songs run > through quickly...(draw your own conclusions as to why...) Ferry is ill on > tour and cancels sporadic shows at very short notice or plays shorter sets > with > not even a whiff of a partial refund or some sort of concession on what were > VERY expensive tickets. > > Interaction with fans (We are looking into the archive...message on the > official site, supposedly from BF himself) crops up when there's something to > sell (#25 +p&p signed cds). > > It's very telling that the first big discussion the list has seen in months > (perhaps in over a year) is one of disgust and annoyance at how poorly things > are handled, especially given how patient the fans have had to be over the > last 18 years since Boys and Girls. > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REFORM ROXY YA BASTAD!!!! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:04:34 +0200 (METDST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: [AVALON] a new sensation I just read an article in the NY Times about the search for the "next new thing" (subculture). It made the point that hipness and subculture has become a huge industry. There are Eames chairs in the Chicago airport and you can get expresso in hip coffee houses anywhere. Any fashion from any era is available. There is just way too much good taste in the world. What I mean to say is that I can't blame Ferry for being starved for inspiration. Many of the new bands now (Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Franz Ferdinand, the Kills) are just derivitive of 80's punk/new wave sounds. It just seems to me that the whole idea of being "modern" or "cool" has been depleted. Maybe Ferry should just forget about creating vanguard styles and concentrate on creating good music, like Manzanera or Bill Nelson do. I think that Mamouma was an example of him doing this. There was nothing sensational about it. Yet its tawdry, faded beauty worked with Ferry's persona of the man who's seen it all in a world where we've all seen too much. I hope he can find the Mamouma spirit again...otherwise perhaps he should concentrate on planting a nice rose (and potato) garden like he once promised to do. Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:28:32 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] You Decide. >Well folks it that time again, another badly put to gether compilation to >ease >the bank ballance. It's time to decide do you want to be taken for granted >and >buy the same songs again or do you just ignore it and hope that Roxy/EMI >realise that the game's up. Personally like the last two compilations I'll >be >ignoring it and that's what I'd advise anybody else to do. Or you could ask for it for xmas - that way someone else spends their money on it! lol! :) Tracy :) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #225 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest