From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #224 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, September 7 2004 Volume 09 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Secrets secrets never seen [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Roxy Night [=?iso-8859-1?q?Mandy?= ] RE: [AVALON] Secrets secrets never seen ["Duncan Watkins" ] Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy [Joel Hurd ] Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy ["Tracy Connell" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 05:11:38 -0400 From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Secrets secrets never seen > Phil was talking last week on the radio about trying to get a >new Roxy album together with the 1972 line-up; zero response >from fans. Sorry if this line confused anyone. I mean that it was reported on Avalon (OK, by me) that Phil was aiming to record the 72 line-up once more (as he stated on the radio interview, but no-one has responded onlist. Similarly: > Roxy played a private gig in London two months ago - nil response. I thought that that was a false rumour, so I stand corrected. Again, nil response is very disappointing. By the way, who is the source of the "nil response" quote? Well, for whatever reason Roxy members denied they'd done it but Phil definitely admitted there had been one, in fact he *claimed* there had been one when answering a question about Roxy having been put to rest. John's vivaroxymusic.com gives a good sound line on how the line has changed on this over the past few months, but Phil said something like "No, it's not been put to rest. We played a gig in London, Shephed's Bush, only a few months ago." Asked if it was the Empire, he said no, it was a small place next door for a private party. This interview is still available for the nxt 48 hrs on www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 by clicking on Mark Radcliffe Wednesday in the list of shows you can listen to. No-one (I hope) is suggesting that people on Avalon should have been invited by some kind of divine right, but why is it kept secret? Even after the event? No wonder there appears to be a diminished interest in the group's future. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Your Secret Love album - Luther Vandross ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:31:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mandy?= Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Night See vivaroxymusic for details. I wrote for more details. They are apparently featuring 2 bands per night, one from 60s/70s and one current. On this occasion it will be Franz Ferdinand. Will also include music from other bands influenced by Roxy and other similar music. It's a pay on the door arrangement. Was wondering how many avalonians are considering going. Long trip for me if not many people are going to turn up. Thanks. Mandy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:53:09 +0100 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Secrets secrets never seen > I mean that it was reported on Avalon that Phil was aiming to record the 72 line-up once more (as he stated on the radio interview), but no-one has responded onlist. >Similarly: > Roxy played a private gig in London two months ago - nil response. Personally I think lack of reaction to this all goes back to the 'extras' or lack of them 'incident' and the fact that a lot of people on this list have wasted a lot of time and money with cancelled shows over the past couple of years-with little in the way of apology/explanation from the powers that be. Although having witnessed the reaction of the road crew backstage at Hampton Court when the show was cancelled 5 minutes before the sound check....everybody is in the same boat! Regards, Duncan. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Premium gives you PC protection, junk-mail filters, advanced communication tools and great software like MSN Encarta. Premium. Click here for a FREE trial! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:30:03 EDT From: JohnOBrien001@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy I think the reason for the apathy on this list about the suggested reformation of the 1972 Roxy Music line up for a new album and many other things that would norally have raised interest is quite straight forward. We have heard so many might be's and could be's over the years that we wait until it is definate before we believe anything will happen. The apathy is quite simple, Bryan can't be bothered writing recording and releasing new material so we can't be bothered buying the old material again. The track listing for the new Roxy Music compilation is very uninspired with no logical reason for this release at this time especially so soon after the pointless 'Platinum Collection' Bryan can't be bothered rehearsing any rarely/never performed songs so we can't be bothered listening to the same songs over and over. The audiences were getting less and less during the recent shows though the uncertainty due to the cancelations didn't help. I know many fans who used to go to many gigs planned only one local show during the summer as there was nothing inspirational about the recent shows. It seems to me that all the good work done between 1999-2002 has been undone by the continuous carbon copy tour and the lack of any new product. We keep hearing about Bryan recording, the amount of unreleased material recorded etc but still we have a sloth like release schedule despite the lessons learned from the Horoscope period. If I read tomorrow that Bryan had retired from both recording and live work it wouldn't bother me or if I heard that he had written 10 new songs about to be released and he is going on a tour doing many songs never/rarely performed before then I would be ecstatic. What I don't want is something in between. The artist/fan thing is a 2 way thing, it's up to Bryan to inspire us again. I hope and pray he don't blow it. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:49:42 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy He has already blown it. He did so after Boys and Girls when he took far too long to make the badly produced Bete Noire. It's been downhill all the way since. What price ATGB followed B&G in 1986? But a chink of light on the ATGB tour has disappeared - too boring too slow - such a shame for the best natural talent around And rightly or wrongly I am left with a nagging suspicion that he doesn't REALLY care that much about his fans. Not least because we haven't had any sort of decent attempt at an apology for the cancelled shows.That wouldn't cost anything and is frankly well overdue. He knows the real fans use Johns website so it wouldn't take much to get a apology that actually sounds like one on there. GRRRRRR.......... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy > It seems to me that all the good work done between 1999-2002 has been undone > by the continuous carbon copy tour and the lack of any new product. > > I hope and pray he don't blow it. > > J.O'B. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:07:26 +0200 (METDST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Rob Whiteford wrote: > He has already blown it. I hardly ever listen to Bryan Ferry....Roxy Music is what's important. They, to me, are the best band that ever was, is and will be. And I'm here on Avalon to discuss Roxy Music, just as a list might discuss Led Zeppelin or the Grateful Dead or Robert Johnson or any other artist of the past. There's still plenty to discuss, isn't there? Lyric interpretations, past concerts, new bands with a Roxy influence...I don't understand why we need to focus on Bryan Ferry's career at all. Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:50:25 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy In a message dated 06/09/2004 21:13:47 GMT Daylight Time, hbuch@imf.au.dk writes: I don't understand why we need to focus on Bryan Ferry's career at all. What career? Seriously though, the reason Ferry's career is (used to be?) focused upon is because Roxy Music doesn't currently exist (well, ok, it does if you are rich enough to afford a private show). All we can say about Roxy Music at present ranges from 'A new compilation, in Gods name why?' all the way up to 'A signed Roxy cd for just under #30: Has Dene Jesmond ever heard of Ebay?' J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy I hate to dog on an artist I have admired, but feel the criticism here is warranted towards BF's recent work, or lack thereof. > The apathy is quite simple, Bryan can't be bothered writing > recording and releasing new material so we can't be bothered buying > the old material again. Yup. > The track listing for the new Roxy Music compilation is very > uninspired with no logical reason for this release at this time > especially so soon after the pointless 'Platinum Collection' Again, I completely agree. The new Roxy compilation is taking the piss. > It seems to me that all the good work done between 1999-2002 has > been undone by the continuous carbon copy tour and the lack of any > new product. We keep hearing about Bryan recording, the amount of > unreleased material recorded etc but still we have a sloth like > release schedule despite the lessons learned from the Horoscope > period. Once more, all I can say is I agree. > If I read tomorrow that Bryan had retired from both recording and > live work it wouldn't bother me I'd have to admit that it would bother me, but seemingly less and less as the months pass. :-( > if I heard that he had written 10 new songs about to be released and > he is going on a tour doing many songs never/rarely performed > before then I would be ecstatic. What I don't want is something in > between. Very much so. I want the sparkle of something new and exciting to return. New material, daring material. A new sensation, a fabulous creation. :-D (I sometimes think of my 69 year old uncle. The guy's full of energy and interest when we meet at family get-togethers. Creativity and drive don't necessarily stop once you reach past 55. It's all about not getting complacent, IMHO). > The artist/fan thing is a 2 way thing, it's up to Bryan to inspire > us again. > > I hope and pray he don't blow it. Again, yes. A final note for myself is that I'm not apathetic, yet. Maybe that comes down the line. I'm frustrated by this situation we see. I never thought I'd feel that way about BF/RM. I don't feel BF owes me anything much (some would say at all) except a clear sense of where's it all leading. Nothing insincere. If there's nothing more than this and the all-night operator has signed off, then a clear indication that that's the case would be useful, so we don't get our hopes up. (Damn - it's late as I write this. I might reconsider some of the things I said here tomorrow :-P but at least I've put some of the jumbled thoughts I have to 'paper'.) best to all, - ---joel _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 07:00:56 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rampant Apathy >And rightly or wrongly I am left with a nagging suspicion that he doesn't >REALLY care that much about his fans. Not least because we haven't had any >sort of decent attempt at an apology for the cancelled shows.That wouldn't >cost anything and is frankly well overdue. He knows the real fans use Johns >website so it wouldn't take much to get a apology that actually sounds like >one on there. I think you have a point there, Robert. If only Bryan would communicate with us! I don't know about not caring about us. There are a lot of artists that wouldn't even bother to sign autographs and shake hands with their fans. But he does need to talk to us. I was guttered when I heard the two shows I had booked were cancelled, and I still don't know if he's totally recovered from his throat problem yet. If he is, how about booking a couple of show to make up for the cancelled concerts or some news of a new album. Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #224 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest