From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #161 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, June 25 2004 Volume 09 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V9 #160 ["Simon Galloway" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry Beware ["A. van Lammeren" ] Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... [DEAGLERR@aol.com] [AVALON] swinging london [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] swinging london [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Manzo in Record Collector magazine this month.... [KWil632057@ao] Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... [Bahi ] [AVALON] Re: Talking about Branson [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] Shutting the stable door [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V9 #160 My old boss is responsible for this, and I suspect it may be some sort of publicity stunt... But I did suggest to him that DJs should be shot if they play the Lighthouse Family. It's a logical progression. SimonG > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:28:54 +0200 > From: Daniel Atterbom > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Beware > > Ferry should also beware of the age factor. But since he is not > played much on the radio and seldom covered he will not be subject to > this: > > DJ suspended for playing Cliff Richard > http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1245543,00.html > > Sir Cliff Richard is the British Elvis and some five years older then Mr Ferry. > > - -- > > Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:04:41 EDT From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... Han wrote : If Ferry was an American he [would have] his own show in Vegas. Well Han, at least you didn't say "Branson, Missouri...." (-; ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Beware - --- Han Snijders wrote: > Dylan is quite boring to see as a performer but the > fact is that he chances > his setlist each day. Even the arrangements of the > songs are never the same. > Dylan is an ART-ist although his quality isn't > always 100% . Well said and agreed, I don't know much about Dylan but at least his approach seems better. I think that people like Bowie also fall into the same category - re-inventing themselves and i'm some instances performing whole albums from start to finish live. Does Bryan actually enjoy churning out the same set-list every night? At the end of the day he is an artist too, or is he just using it as a way of paying the bills? Aleks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:40:01 +0200 From: "A. van Lammeren" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry Beware Hi all, > -----Original Message----- > From: Han Snijders > Sent: woensdag 23 juni 2004 20:04 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Beware > > Dylan is quite boring to see as a performer but the fact is that > he chances his setlist each day. Even the arrangements of the songs are > never the same. > Dylan is an ART-ist although his quality isn't always 100% . My 2 cents: Obviously Ferry has another approach. Perhaps it has something to do with 'having the ideal playlist'. Since the wonders of CD-burning I make a compilation once in a while. With music that, for me, 'just fits together well'. (An example here: http://www.avl.dds.nl/sad_songs_for_comfort_playlist.jpg) And I found myself thinking: "This is the Ultimate (Platinum?) playlist!" "This is just one hour of wonderful music. Sad songs for comfort. I'm sure I'll play this CD over and over again. I'll never have to make another compilation again." Somehow I think that Ferry has this, with his choice of numbers he performs. Consider it as a stage play. That is performed over and over again, with lyrics in the same order. And with Ferry's miticulous attention to details. (That even we have difficulties with to notice...) Looking back at Roxy 2001, that setlist was some 'definite choice'. To begin with the first song of the first album, to end with FYP... I think since then I end my postings with, tara, Anton. P.S. But after some time (it may be days, weeks or months ...) I start on another compilation . . . NP - Por Una Cabeza - Argentino Ledesma ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:00:25 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... In a message dated 6/24/04 7:11:28 AM, LottieStreeter2@cs.com writes: > Han wrote : > If Ferry was an American he [would have] his own show in Vegas. > > Well Han, at least you didn't say "Branson, Missouri...." (-; > Or some hick town in Florida near Disney World. Au Contraire, Lottie. Bramson is far too outre (this list will strip out the accent) for our Mr. Ferry. It certainly has the tack and sleaze quotient, but a reek of desperation hangs over it like a pall. Can't imagine our Bryan tying on the feed bag, late after-the-last-show, with the likes of Yakov Smirnov, Bramson's two time winner of Comedian Of The Year. Or taking tea with Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers. Perhaps he & Dolly Parton could become chums, but beyond that... Our European list members may not be aware of Bramson. It's a small town in Missouri who's main industry is housing and giving hope to the fading careers of (mostly) country music stars. Think of a strip-mall with music, (Muzak) (strip mall being a road where shops are located every few meters, not a place for exotic dancers) So if Y'all are fixin' to travel to America this summer, and have a hankerin' for some hi-class innertainment, come on down to Bramson. Family reunion and group rates available. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:43:04 +0200 (METDST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: [AVALON] swinging london Hey, I'll be in London next week. Can't wait! It's going to be touristy family trip, but can anyone recommend the best record store? I simply must buy "The Little Red Songbook" by Momus. Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:52:29 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... As regular readers of this list will attest, I have been growing increasingly fed up with the sheer dullness of the current Ferry tour. There seems to be no effort spent on keeping the setlist fresh and interesting. Would it kill him to include some late seventies material? After all, seeing Chris Spedding and TGPT go to town on Price Of Love and The In Crowd would be worth the price of a ticket alone.... Failing that, a Bowie style double bill of In Your Mind and Frantic might be fun. It's all very obvious critiscim but nobody on planet Ferry has thought about it. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:53:39 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] swinging london In a message dated 24/06/2004 16:52:37 GMT Standard Time, hbuch@imf.au.dk writes: Hey, I'll be in London next week. Can't wait! It's going to be touristy family trip, but can anyone recommend the best record store? I simply must buy "The Little Red Songbook" by Momus. Heather Listen Records in Crouch End is my store of choice. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:55:10 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Manzo in Record Collector magazine this month.... er.... J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:40:18 +0200 (METDST) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps he & Dolly Parton could become chums, but beyond that... > Oh come on. Dolly Parton's not faded... > It's a small town in Missouri who's main industry is housing and giving hope > to the fading careers of (mostly) country music stars. > Think of a strip-mall with music, (Muzak) Never heard of Branson. But my family has their annual reunion in California, Missouri, which I guess is where they all lived before they decided to move out to California in the 20's. But hey, what about a cruise ship? I could think of worse places for Bryan to entertain.... Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:16:42 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Static Setlists...Never-Ending Tour.... J wrote: >Failing that, a Bowie style double bill of In Your Mind and Frantic might be >fun. Yikes. Enough to cement Bryan a reputation as well-dressed MOR man. A double of Bete Noire and For Your Pleasure, on the other hand, might do the trick with some but that would of course alienate many others. (Leaving the last 1989 show of the New Town tour in London - great gig, terrible sound - I heard complaints from people who saw Bryan as the guy who did Jealous Guy and Let's Stick Together, the latter failing to make an appearance.) Speaking of Bete Noire, here's Eric Olsen talking about the album and discussing it with Pat Leonard. Leonard's opinion of it seems close to what we've heard from Bryan in the past. >Though the album is great, Leonard isn't satisfied with it. "I don't >think that record was fully realized. Bryan was going through >management changes and things were dragging a bit. We just had to >finish it, and we did. We probably used machines a little too much >because of the way we were working. > >"There are some good qualities to that record," he continues. "I >learned a lot of interesting things - bizarre things I would have >never tried - like taking trumpet solos that were done for one song, >sampling them and taking a piece, flipping it backwards, dropping it >down a fifth and putting it in a different song. Now that is stuff >that everybody eats for breakfast, but in '87 it wasn't. Now you can >just do it with ProTools." It's a much more ambitious album - lyrically, thematically - than many of Ferry's others but given that its themes is often conflict - good and evil, heaven and hell, fire and water - this unresolved and uncomfortable sound fits perfectly. The sonic uncertainty might even have inspired its lyrics which Ferry (in a Q interview of the time) was described as writing or completing after the basic tracks had been put together, as usual. Bete Noire has just appeared on the UK iTMS, by the way. Good encoding quality for 128 kbps, big front cover artwork scan but no writer credits and a puzzling March 2003 release date. I'd like to see Bryan Ferry returning once again to experiment and innovate with sound and let the results take the lyrics and melodies where they may. Bete Noire was supposed to be a quick album, the antithesis to Boys and Girls but ended up taking what seemed to Bryan and others to be an absolute age. Looking back, that two years doesn't seem all that bad. Mr Olsen's own opinions are unusual and his grasp of facts not what it could be but the full article contains interesting quotes. http://www.blogcritics.org/archives/2003/03/21/162221.php Among the best is one from John Porter: >"I went to Newcastle University in '65 because it seemed like there >was a great music scene: it had the first all-niter club in England, >and a university band called the Gasboard. I joined that band and we >did Bobby Bland, Freddie King, B.B. King, and stuff like that. We >had a horn section - which was pretty rare - and Bryan Ferry was in >the band, although at the time we didn't think he could sing." This might lend some credence to Mike Figgis's 1993 claim that the Gas Board had wanted to part company with Bryan and his vocal mannerisms rather than the other way around. (Drawing a fabulous response from Bryan:'How dare he say that. It's fucking rude, isn't it?') Whatever happened, it was definitely for the best. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:36:36 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: [AVALON] New Eno/Fripp album It's called The Equatorial Stars. Brian Eno comments: >It didn't start well. Somehow my shoe nudged the little red button on the >little black box with the little green lights. That button told the little >box to tell the digital recorder that we would be recording in a manner far >too tedious to explain when in fact we intended to record quite differently, >in a manner also far too tedious to explain. [...] >That first performance was unlike anything we'd ever heard before. All over >Heaven, angels must have been turning green with envy and grey with worry >that they might soon lose their jobs. And devils must have been weeping and >gnashing their teeth and preparing to negotiate for our souls, souls big >enough and dark enough to have made music like this. But listening back to >what we expected to be nothing short of a singular masterwork, we heard >instead nothing. To be perfectly honest it was not exactly nothing. It was a >little bit more than nothing and therefore possibly worse than nothing. If >you took a large sheet of metal and randomly sprayed it with a Kalashnikov >or similar semi-automatic urban assault weapon, the sound would be close to >what we heard. Sound clips available here at the online Eno Shop. http://enoshop.co.uk B ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:40:38 -0500 From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Talking about Branson B. Missouri was decided on to keep a lot of people from having to travel to Vegas. Hence keeping the money in the state. Unlike England, temps. in the South can be horrendous so can Vegas but its a dry heat, so much more tolerable.The reason for everything to be lined up on a strip to walk. If you get hot you can always drop into the air-condition building & take a cooler. ----There is Dolly Land that has given a lot of jobs to people just like Branson. I never knock anything if its bringing revenue in instead of taking it out. No I'm not from Missouri,& will always go to Vegas. For the elderly who don't like the atmosphere of Vegas,Bransons for them. It really caters IMO to the Seniors thus all the older entertainment being brought there. Yes, in spite of being from England Ferry would fit in nicely but doubt anyone would know who he is! ----Just a little more facts on Branson Mo. Always, Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:50:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: [AVALON] Shutting the stable door www.bryanferry.com has leapt into action tonight to advise us all of Bryan's laryngitis. Those people who travelled to Kent for the Bedgebury gig or indeed the three subsequent cancelled concerts might have appreciated a more timely intervention than eleven days after the event. Chris ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! 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