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avalon-digest         Wednesday, April 7 2004         Volume 09 : Number 092



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [AVALON] Rumours                           [tracy-elliott13@ukonline.co.uk]
  Re: [AVALON] Rumours            ["S. Thomsen" <chemnitz@mail1.stofanet.dk>]
  Re: [AVALON] Rumours                               [LeeSullivanart@aol.com]
  [AVALON] today's unpleasantness              [Colleen Matan <cjem@his.com>]
  [AVALON] More than Star Wars . . .          [esoul <esoul@emeraldsoul.com>]
  [AVALON] On a lighter note (re: Lost in Translation)  ["Guy Lawley" <aove9]
  [AVALON] Let's get a few things straight here (was Rumours, is now Facts)  [Jocelynfiske@aol.c]
  Re: [AVALON] today's unpleasantness  ["danyellow" <thebogusman@interfree.i]
  Re: [AVALON] On a lighter note (re: Lost in Translation)  [Daniel Atterbom]

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Date: Tue,  6 Apr 2004 13:07:16 +0100
From: tracy-elliott13@ukonline.co.uk
Subject: [AVALON] Rumours

I hear rumours that Jim Lawn is now longer and that JO'B will be the new chief 
umbrella carrier.

As the originator of that recent "leaked" disk - I find BF's choice strange.  

But if anyone would like a complete copy I suggest you contact JO'B and he may 
copy it for you (as he has done so 5 times to my knowledge - although he did 
edit the tracks in case one of his "friends" leaked it).  

T

P.S. He may not respond, as he is meant to be trying to save his marriage after 
his 3rd affair.



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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:32:15 +0200
From: "S. Thomsen" <chemnitz@mail1.stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rumours

"I hear rumours that Jim Lawn is now longer"

Well, how long is Jim now?

Sorry, couldn't help it.........

Stefanzanera 


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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:49:00 EDT
From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rumours

In a message dated 06/04/2004 13:14:50 GMT Daylight Time, 
tracy-elliott13@ukonline.co.uk writes:

Poisonously. 

Lee S
____________________________________________
Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem?
Me too. Going to:

<A HREF="www.leesullivan.co.uk">www.leesullivan.co.uk</A>

and definitely

<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho">http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho</A>

won't help either 


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Date: Tue,  6 Apr 2004 10:37:22 -0400
From: Colleen Matan <cjem@his.com>
Subject: [AVALON] today's unpleasantness

Hi folks,

As we're all adults here, I think it's patently obvious to absolutely everyone
here that Tracy's behavior is unacceptable on Avalon.  Indeed I think my
position on personal attacks being unacceptable is one of my mantras, if not a
broken record on my part, for many years on this list, dating back to well
before I became list owner.  However, despite my off-list communications with
list members in which I had it abundantly clear that the matter has been handled
and is best dropped, there has been some ceaseless squawking in my inbox this
morning about The Need For Colleen To Speak Officially On The Matter And Make It
All Perfectly Clear That It Is Unacceptable, so in order to obtain some peace
and quiet for myself, let me speak officially on the matter:  such behavior is
unacceptable on Avalon.  I apologize to those of you who find such a statement
statement self-evident.

Tracy unsubscribed from Avalon immediately after sending her message, and before
I could pay her that same courtesy.  I've been in contact with her and with John
O'Brien, and I don't think I'm betraying a confidence from private email when I
say John is satisfied with how I have handled this distasteful situation.

I know that there might be a tendency among those of us who hold JO'B dear to be
quite angry with Tracy and to send her nasty emails.  However, based on her
behavior on Avalon and in other Roxy-related fora, I suspect that she is not
herself lately and may be wrestling with her demons.  Therefore, if you are
inclined to contact her, I ask you to temper any anger with mercy as I honestly
think she is a woman in need of a great deal of help.  This doesn't excuse her
behavior or make it acceptable; however such tempered responses may allow her to
think about getting some assistance.

If anyone wishes to speak about this further, please contact me off-list. 

Thanks,
Colleen


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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:35:20 -0700
From: esoul <esoul@emeraldsoul.com>
Subject: [AVALON] More than Star Wars . . .

Hi,

Just dropping out of lurk mode to say that my ears popped off of my head
when I heard Bill Murray aka Nick the Lounge Singer croon "More than This" .
. . I found the movie an extremely interesting travelogue introduction to
the rich and trendy characters of the Japanese night. As it is highly
unlikely that I'll ever be invited to a late-night karaoke binge in Tokyo,
it was a vicarious experience.

Let's petition Bill to sing the entire Avalon album! Who would buy that one?
C'mon, admit it, you would.

cheers,
- -Tom

<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>
I'd Yawn, Too:
"http://www.emeraldsoul.com"


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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:23:12 +0100
From: "Guy Lawley" <aove97@dsl.pipex.com>
Subject: [AVALON] On a lighter note (re: Lost in Translation)

re: Lost in Translation

Enjoyed the movie, though not as much as some have, perhaps. Astounded that
it should get Oscar-accoladed to the extent it did, but maybe it was best
from a bad year.

Much discussion with friends about choice of songs in the karaoke sequence.
I think it was carefully though out, but have yet to find anyone who agrees
with me.

Sex Pistols: raw youthful anger & energy. When you're young you think it's
all black & white and sod everyone who disagrees with you. Rebel against the
system (in the privacy of your room)!! Smash the state (at weekends)!! Never
trust a hippy (anywhere, anytime)!

Nick Lowe & Elvis Costello: What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love &
Understanding? Hey, wait a minute, maybe those hippies were asking some of
the right questions. Smashing stuff up isn't always the answer. F*** me, am
I starting to "grow up" or "mature" or something? (Help!!) 

More Than This by You Know Who: Adult, existential philosophizing. (In a pop
song, yet!) Fits the mood and the head-space Bill Murray's character is in,
and his young woman-friend is prematurely experiencing similar angst.

See some sort of progression through the 3 songs? I do. And I'm quite sure
Sophia Coppola and her collaborating scripter didn't choose those songs at
random. 

Any thoughts anyone? 

Love, Peace and cherry bombs,

Guy 

PS: that part of the movie made me cry. Only the second time a Roxy song has
actually brought tears to my eyes, though once Ferry's Carrickfergus did.

PPS: I was fooled by the Eno April fool in the Independent!! How pathetic is
that? (My only excuses: I read it late at night. I'd forgotten it was April
1st. I'd sussed the Guardian's April fool story earlier in the day, honest.)


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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:44:52 EDT
From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com
Subject: [AVALON] Let's get a few things straight here (was Rumours, is now Facts)

In a message dated 06/04/2004 13:14:50 GMT Standard Time, 
tracy-elliott13@ukonline.co.uk writes:

Taking this bile chronologically:
> hear rumours that Jim Lawn is now longer and that JO'B will be the new 
chief 
> umbrella carrier.

Fact: Jim Lawn no longer works for Bryan Ferry and we'll come back to that 
point in a moment.
Fact: John O'Brien runs a website called wwwvivaroxymusic.com started as a 
hobby and a show case for his ridiculous amount of memorabilia that, with 
contributions from fans worldwide many of whom reside on this list, has grown into 
an encyclopaedia of all things Roxy/Ferry. John O'Brien is no-one's factotum, 
baby sitter or stamp licker. He has a job, he has a life and coincidentally, he 
also has a hobby.
If Bryan Ferry is impressed by John's site, it is because his attention was 
drawn to it by his son - not by John O'Brien.

> As the originator of that recent "leaked" disk - I find BF's choice 
> strange.

Fact: That material, along with the Horoscope and Alphaville offerings, were 
STOLEN from Bryan Ferry's studio and copied. Whoever stole that material is 
the originator of that disk. Did I mention Jim Lawn no longer works for Bryan 
Ferry? Oh, yes, I believe I did. Bryan Ferry is fully aware of who is 
responsible for this. 
If this material has found its way around fans, ask who put it on Ebay, ask 
who bought from Ebay?

P.S. He may not respond, as he is etc...... 

I doubt John would deign to dignify this unmitigated personal attack with any 
acknowledgement at all.
I think Lee S put it brilliantly.
But as a good friend of John's, I am not prepared to sit back and watch a 
particularly grubby kettle call the pot black, and wash their exceptionally 
filthy laundry in public.
Whatever your gripe, this is not the place for it. Your amateur attempts to 
discredit John are frankly pathetic, your obsessive behaviour border-line 
psychotic.
I urge you to get help for your alcoholism and you mental health problems. If 
you are intent on destroying your life, please don't attempt to take anyone 
else down with you, and please don't do it here.

Jocelyn

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:35:53 +0200
From: "danyellow" <thebogusman@interfree.it>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] today's unpleasantness

jeeezes
sometimes I wish I could speak english
cose I feel as a latin, to miss lotsa stuff
of this Barnum circus

baci a tutti KIDS

bye

TBD


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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:04:21 +0200
From: Daniel Atterbom <daniel.atterbom@odata.se>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] On a lighter note (re: Lost in Translation)

On a lighter note, my family have had our first baby, two of our 
birds have nested and my wife found a baby bird, a lutino agapornis, 
that's one to two weeks old.

If you, for any reason, would like to look at the parents go to 
http://www.osterlen.com/fruknorrings/apollon.html

If not, pick out your favorite Roxy/Ferry album and enjoy it. That's 
why we're all here.

My current favorite is the latest live album. To quote the Melody 
Maker 1976: "An amazing job from Ferry and the boys".
- -- 

Daniel


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