From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #84 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, March 29 2004 Volume 09 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Pop-music / nonwriting entertainers [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Non-writing artists ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Sir Robert? ["Arnold Schulberg" ] Re: [AVALON] Non-writing artists ["tmoq" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:46:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pop-music / nonwriting entertainers At 14.48 -0500 04-03-28, Colleen Matan wrote: >the Beatles, etc., were geared toward teenagers. In the beginning yes, but they made the audience grow up on them. Someone who was 15 in 1962 was 23 in 1970 and that year every Beatles single made the top. If The Beatles had given people what marketers said that wanted they would not have passed Please, Please Me and it's a long musical journey from there to The Long And Windy Road with or without the strings. :-) - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:13:23 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: This,that & whatever J.--- Very observant, but you get the gist,(writers) Always, Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:34:22 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] nonwriting entertainers >but that's what pop music has always been about--pop music is geared toward teenagers. Always has been, always will. To rail against that and to say that no one who doesn't write his/her songs aren't worthy of our attention is, to me, a very limiting snobbery. Do you require actors to write all of their own lines? Or screenwriters to act?< Maybe you missed my earlier post about Elvis, etc. But in answer, I didn't say it wasn't worthy of "our" attention. You can like manufactured pop if you want. I don't. Not when there's enough original artists around to interpret their own work. Also, re Jessica Simpson and others of her ilk, she is neither a good singer nor a good performer, IMO, and the songs she does of other people's work suck too. Not my genre. I never did like that genre, even as a teenager, but granted a lot of them do like whatever is marketed to them. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:41:56 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Non-writing artists >I am not disputing the impact Elvis had on people, all I am saying that he is not an artist in the strict sense of the word, that's all. < Point taken, but I believe Elvis created something very important - a unique image that heralded a new era. I see him as heads above the pop flock of today because though he may have built on something existant in black music (as did ALL our rock bands) he brought an image to the table that changed whole generations, much as the Beatles did the next decade. In addition to having that social and musical impact, he also had a great voice. He was multifaceted and had a big impact on the world. Most, but not all, of the pop stuff today is just a direct and very safe knockoff of what came before - there's little uncharted territory there - or am I just getting old??? Nah. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:47:38 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: [AVALON] Sir Robert? Well then, based on this story maybe there's some hope that Tony Blair will nominate Robert Fripp for knighthood. http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,950556,00.html Arnie - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:43 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? At 09.34 -0500 04-03-28, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >Daniel >Well I doubt friendship with Diana had much to do with it (she's not a >popular name with the Royals). How about a massive musical contribution, four >decades of hits and plenty of work for charity? I might be mistaken on this, but is it not the prime minister that make recommendations to the queen? Sir Elton etc were honored after Tony Blair's 1997 election victory, the Thatcher and Major administrations were not, in my memory, as keen on awarding knighthoods to popular musicians. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:35:09 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Non-writing artists - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Brown" To: "avalon" Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Non-writing artists >> > Point taken, but I believe Elvis created something very important - a unique > image that heralded a new era. > > Awww c'mon, Elvis' fame was a result of his 1)being white and 2)being much cooler than Pat Boone. I mean let`s face it, Little Richard was the real talent of that era but his being black and flamboyant/gay was enough of a handicap that his biggest hits were given to the "less threatening" likes of white-bread Pat Boone etc. To this day when I see/hear Boone singing Tutti Frutti I want to smash something. Little Richard may not have sold as many albums as Elvis, but most of Richard`s music was released as singles only and as far as I`m concerned, he`s the real king of rock and roll......certainly not Elvis who was only copying what the blacks had already created with a catalog of songs crafted for him. On the subject of Elton John, well, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is a major classic in my book and as much I loath most everything he`s done since then he, at the very least, deserves a bit of respect for that one brief stroke of brilliance. Gene N.P.: Evanescence-Origin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #84 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest