From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #75 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, March 20 2004 Volume 09 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? ["Stephen Scott" ] [AVALON] Re: Things verboten [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Trading Unreleased Materials [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nys] RE: [AVALON] Proposed Policing? ["Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? Hey, Hey! I'm not a huge fan of the Honours System but if Ray Davies can get one, surely "War Bryan" can have one? Maybe Bryan would accept, maybe he wouldn't but what the hey! So, I've got the official forms to nominate but I need some help. a) Unless anyone knows Bryan home address(??!!), is his Management Company Riverman or Opal? Or A.N. Other? b) I also need at least 2 letters of endorsement from people (preferably from the UK) who are and I quote "familiar with the nominees services" Please feel free to mail me off list for my address to send them to. Cheers the noo! Stevie p.s. It says in the guidance notes that "The nominee should not be informed that they have been nominated etc." So Hush Hush! ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Atterbom To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? Time for Sir Bryan soon? http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004122246,00.html I kinda like sir Bryan Ferry CBE. -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:24:49 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Trading Unreleased Materials At 22.01 +0000 04-03-18, Bill MacCormick wrote: >We are not talking about the odd bootleg of a live concert but the theft >of commercially valuable studio tapes in which artists, record companies >and publishing companies - and their lawyers - have a real and direct >financial interest. Bill has a very valid point here. I like to listen to live recording, in fact Bill plays on one of my all time favorite ones, 801 Live. But I've realized that one only needs one good recording from every Roxy -- or 801 -- line-up or Ferry tour. One thing that I am not intrested in is demos. I've found one collection of demos intresting and that is Beatles Anthology II where one can follow the work progress of some of their best songs. But, and this more of a general philosophical question, are all demos and poorly recorded bootlegs of intrest? Do one have to have a complete collection of everything by an artist? When do the intrest turn into an obesseion with everything Roxy and Ferry and Manzanera and Eno and Mackay and ... Is enough to have everything digital on http://www.vivaroxymusic.com/ and other sites? - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? > I'm not a huge fan of the Honours System > > Maybe Bryan would accept, maybe he wouldn't but what the hey! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I kinda like sir Bryan Ferry CBE. I don't. 'Sir Ferry' my ass! *spits* I'd like to see Ferry and/or Roxy publically applauded somehow, but NOT with an imperial honor. Or at least if he was awarded by the royal establishment, I'd like to see Ferry graciously decline the monarchial bestowment. See Also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3338583.stm - -Joel. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:59:03 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? At 02.45 -0800 04-03-19, Joel Hurd wrote: >I don't. 'Sir Ferry' my ass! *spits* It would be Sir Bryan actually, few artists become lords unlike Lord Callaghan of Cardiff. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:10:25 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? Actually he wouldn't be a "Sir" unless he was awarded a Knighthood. CBE stands for "Companion/Commander of the British Empire so he would be Bryan Ferry C.B.E. Cheers, Colette - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Atterbom" To: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? > At 02.45 -0800 04-03-19, Joel Hurd wrote: > >I don't. 'Sir Ferry' my ass! *spits* > > It would be Sir Bryan actually, few artists become lords unlike Lord > Callaghan of Cardiff. > -- > > Daniel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:04:46 -0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? Sir Bryan! What's next? The movie "Life of Bryan" ? ;-) ole - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Atterbom" To: Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? > At 02.45 -0800 04-03-19, Joel Hurd wrote: > >I don't. 'Sir Ferry' my ass! *spits* > > It would be Sir Bryan actually, few artists become lords unlike Lord > Callaghan of Cardiff. > -- > > Daniel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:19:39 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Time for Sir Bryan soon? At 14.10 +0000 04-03-19, Colette Robertson wrote: >Actually he wouldn't be a "Sir" unless he was awarded a Knighthood. CBE >stands for "Companion/Commander of the British Empire so he would be Bryan >Ferry C.B.E. So sir Paul. sir Mick and sir Elton have been awarded a Knighthood. I understand. I thought to two were the same. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:09:06 -0000 From: "mf" Subject: [AVALON] Proposed Policing? At 22.01 +0000 04-03-18, Bill MacCormick wrote: The people affected are now pursuing various remedies to limit the damage this has caused. I would not be surprised if this extended to monitoring newsgroups such as Avalon though I do not know this for sure. I agree with and, support the points raised by Bill and Daniel regarding the theft of demos/studio recordings as it is a serious matter (for me it was Kate Bush demos)! I do however find the suggestion of monitoring the lists somewhat extreme! Okay, so you might get wind of someone passing certain material around the boards but will they be arrested and sued? Will it make this practice stop or drive it underground? There's also the wider aspect of this proposition! Will it be extended to consider if newspaper or magazine articles, photographs or links also be included in the censorship process? This would; if put into practice, cause more of a workload to the moderators (as if they didn't have enough to do already) and perhaps even force some of the forums to close rather than monitor every single post submitted! It would also drive the punters elsewhere. Of course the other side of the coin is for bands to commercially release this "old unused material" (I'm only guessing here) as so many seem to be doing lately! Make it a "fans only" product if necessary! ToM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:16:54 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Things verboten Am I not understanding this argument or am I just naive? How does a studio piece of work get to the public in the first place? Wouldn't that be considered an inside job by someone doing this for his/her own profit? Isn't artists more likely to watch what is or isn't happening under their recording studio time? If not they should!!! Always, Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:17:26 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Trading Unreleased Materials I also believe that the unreleased demo material should stay were it belongs namely in the cupboard. If we are talking about theft of this material like Bill mentions it's even worse. Really how fun is it to listen to for instance incomplete tracks without strings,backing vocals, guitar solos you name it, I'm not interested in that. Did hear once that in order to avoid these things John C Fogerty of CCR took the matter in his own hands and destroyed all tapes of unreleased songs by his group. /Br Kenneth ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:40 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Proposed Policing? All this talk of stolen tapes...didn't McCartney have a movie about this? Give My Regards To Broadstreet? Rod >From: "mf" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Proposed Policing? >Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:09:06 -0000 > >At 22.01 +0000 04-03-18, Bill MacCormick wrote: > >The people affected are now pursuing various remedies to limit the damage >this has caused. I would not be surprised if this extended to monitoring >newsgroups such as Avalon though I do not know this for sure. > > >I agree with and, support the points raised by Bill and Daniel regarding >the >theft of demos/studio recordings as it is a serious matter (for me it was >Kate >Bush demos)! I do however find the suggestion of monitoring the lists >somewhat >extreme! Okay, so you might get wind of someone passing certain material >around the boards but will they be arrested and sued? Will it make this >practice stop or drive it underground? There's also the wider aspect of >this >proposition! Will it be extended to consider if newspaper or magazine >articles, photographs or links also be included in the censorship process? >This would; if put into practice, cause more of a workload to the >moderators >(as if they didn't have enough to do already) and perhaps even force some >of >the forums to close rather than monitor every single post submitted! It >would >also drive the punters elsewhere. >Of course the other side of the coin is for bands to commercially release >this >"old unused material" (I'm only guessing here) as so many seem to be doing >lately! Make it a "fans only" product if necessary! > > >ToM > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:51:22 -0600 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Biting the hand that feeds.... We all enjoy reading this list; otherwise, we wouldn't be members. Many of us have benefited from reading it--I have seen Roxy twice and Ferry solo twice SOLELY because I read about the upcoming concerts on the list. Colleen runs this list solely to share her love of Roxy and Ferry and help their fans connect to information and each other. She doesn't get paid to do this (that I know of, anyway). From her posts, she seems like a thoughtful, eminently reasonable person. If all she asks is one simple, tiny little thing--not to get her butt in a sling--I'm happy to live within those strictures, no matter how much I'd like to hear unreleased Ferry/Roxy stuff. Remember, we live in a society, at least in America, where the recording industry sues doddery old grandfathers and twelve-year-old girls living in the housing projects for downloading songs. Big Brother IS watching. So please, don't bite the hand that feeds, or mock it, for that matter. Colleen, I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say I'm grateful to your for running this list, and I hope you never get discouraged with it and quit. And with that, I'll sign off and go separate my cats, who seem to be getting into a fight. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #75 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest