From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #26 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, January 31 2004 Volume 09 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: Concerts [Alanandalyj@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? [Joel Hurd ] [AVALON] Ferry in forests ["Nigel Hollis" ] RE: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? ["Arnold Schulberg" ] RE: [AVALON] BF shows ["Arnold Schulberg" ] [AVALON] Another North America Aberdeen offer [Dan Ream ] Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] BF shows [Jane Fraser ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? [robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? - --- KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Well David Bowie manages to record a new and interesting album every > couple of years > > Ferry on the other hand give us a new album almost every decade > Its a waste of talent and he should bloody well pull his finger out. My opinion is that us fans are both the easiest and the hardest people for Bryan to please. We would be a strange breed of fans if we wanted no more from Ferry. That's the nature of being a fan (of a present artist with his mental faculties still intact) - it is admittedly a somewhat selfish quest for more material from the songwriter or performer. BF still has the skills to write new songs, give new perspective on the old familiar themes (love, war, loss, whatever). There is always new music, new lyric, new arrangement to be found. But there seems to be a lack of will to explore any further. Time to settle back at base camp with a warm cup of drinking chocolate and fall asleep beside a warm fireside? . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:11:22 -0000 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry in forests Daniel writes :- "It's nice that he supports Forestry Commission venues in England" Yes, so he won`t mind us "treeing" then gigs will he? N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:22:07 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry in forests I thought he was turning over a new leaf... J In a message dated 30/01/2004 12:20:46 GMT Standard Time, nigelhollis@europeanmarine.co.uk writes: > Daniel writes :- > > "It's nice that he supports Forestry Commission venues in England" > > Yes, so he won`t mind us "treeing" then gigs will he? > > N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:37:15 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Re: Concerts At 04.56 -0500 04-01-30, Alanandalyj@aol.com wrote: >I haven't contributed for a while,but I have been down this road before I >think we are lucky that our idol is performing live yet again.We should look >forward to the gigs not moan about setlist's,or whether it's Bryan >or Roxy,Aren't >we fans of both? I think that seeing the Roxy reunion tour in 2001 was great. I am not as much a fan of mr Ferry's solo stuff, but the fact that the man is 60 next year and still at it, Frantic was better then most albums by preformers of his generation, is wonderful. Not to mention that Messer Eno. Mackay and Manzanera still make exciting music. - -- NP Lars Winnerback, Sondermarken a tip to Heather and others that like music in Swedish Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:55:29 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? BF still has the skills to write new songs, give new perspective on the old familiar themes (love, war, loss, whatever). There is always new music, new lyric, new arrangement to be found. But there seems to be a lack of will to explore any further. Time to settle back at base camp with a warm cup of drinking chocolate and fall asleep beside a warm fireside? Or share a bill with Celine Dion in Vegas. Better yet, how about him and Rod Stewart sharing a stage ala Billy Joel and Elton John, while doing individual and joint "Hits of the '30s". Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:55:27 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] BF shows Tracy- The question is: How many times do you want to see the SAME show? The man has a catalog containing some items that many if not most of us regard as real gems that he does not pull out to play. That's the nature of the gripe. New stuff would be wonderful, even a "work in progress" but how about some of the older, unplayed stuff? We'll be there for that. Arnie - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Tracy Connell Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:53 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] BF shows Ok, just need to get a little gripe out of my system... Everyone seems to be slating BF for doing the same old set list and 'relying on his past hits' etc. Yes, we all want some new stuff - that would be fantastic, but I think we should count ourselves lucky that we can go and see him live in concert!! I don't really care what he sings (well, apart from 'Slave to Love' being a must!) Come on folks - no more complaining! Just enjoy the concerts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Ream Subject: [AVALON] Another North America Aberdeen offer Thanks to John Gray in Canada, I can re-offer the Bryan Ferry November 16th Aberdeen concert recording to 4 North American Avalonians-two who will promise to re-offer and two without burners. Reply to dream@vcu.edu and indicate if you can re-offer or not. Thanks to Goodie too for sharing this great show! - --Dan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:01:55 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] BF shows Well, the way I figure it - I'd rather see the same show and see BF live than not at all. (for example - I have no chance of seeing Robert Palmer now) or imagine if BF just stopped touring - people would be moaning that they can't see him live. That's my point... Tracy >The question is: How many times do you want to see the SAME show? The man >has a catalog containing some items that many if not most of us regard as >real gems that he does not pull out to play. That's the nature of the >gripe. >New stuff would be wonderful, even a "work in progress" but how about some >of the older, unplayed stuff? We'll be there for that. > >Arnie _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:04:10 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? The best evidence of Bryans boringness is right under our noses. Lets face it, this list used to be a thriving forum of interesting deabte, fascinating analysis and well thought out speculation. It's telling that most people rarely seem to post anymore. Part of this can surely be blamed on Ferry who seems to have dropped the ball. It seems to me that thanks to his greatest hits style of touring there is nothing left to discuss. Hence the general apathy on these pages. Many of the regular posters don't seem to post anymore and it's uncertain whether they are even reading the list. I doubt that many of those who used to religiously attend every show still do. Yet all it would take is a few changes to the set list to reinvigorate the never ending touring. Price of Love and This is Tomorrow would be obvious and welcome inclusions (Spedding!!) as would many other seemingly half forgotten pieces. Similarly he could easily throw in a new, unheard song in order to create a buzz for the supposed new material... The sadness is that it wouldn't take much effort. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:16:57 +0000 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF shows I'm with you Tracy. I'm already looking forward to a couple of Summer weekends away to parts of England I've never been to before with the added bonus of a Ferry show thrown in. I don't really care what the set list is although, I agree, something different would be great and something new even better. Remember before the Summer dates last time there was this same moaning and we got SOTT, Can't Let Go and later on Tokyo Joe - along with JG and LITD etc. etc. but at least we have the choice to go and see him. Attendance is not compulsory you know! Jane On Friday, January 30, 2004, at 02:01 PM, Tracy Connell wrote: > Well, the way I figure it - I'd rather see the same show and see BF > live than not at all. (for example - I have no chance of seeing Robert > Palmer now) or imagine if BF just stopped touring - people would be > moaning that they can't see him live. That's my point... > > Tracy > >> The question is: How many times do you want to see the SAME show? The >> man >> has a catalog containing some items that many if not most of us >> regard as >> real gems that he does not pull out to play. That's the nature of the >> gripe. >> New stuff would be wonderful, even a "work in progress" but how about >> some >> of the older, unplayed stuff? We'll be there for that. >> >> Arnie > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:54:46 +0100 (CET) From: robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? Quite right. He is simply too talented and too cool to allow himself to be boring. Get the "new" material out NOW. Rob > Message date : Jan 30 2004, 02:12 PM > From : KWil632057@aol.com > To : avalon@smoe.org > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? > > The sadness is that it wouldn't take much effort. > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save #7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:09:55 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? At 09.04 -0500 04-01-30, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >Lets face it, this list used to be a thriving forum of interesting deabte, >fascinating analysis and well thought out speculation. Don't blame Mr Ferry for that. If people don't want to post, they don't. My most posted link: The Natural Life Cycle Of Mailing Lists http://www.swopnet.com/misc/Mailing_Lists_Life_Cycle.html - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 01:23:12 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? I couldn't agree more about David Bowie, I did see him on his "Reality Tour" last year and he sang fantastic (the best I have ever heard from Bowie) and as you mentioned he always have some surprises on his concerts, when I saw him he did a magnificent acoustic version of "Loving the Alien" from the Tonight Album Have seen him several times since the Serious Moonlight Tour back in '83 so I was pleasantly surprised about his vocal. Ferry on the other hand aren't so keen on surprises, did see him 3 times on the "Frantic Tour" 1 time in London and 2 times in Stockholm and the setlist was almost identical even though there was almost 10 month between the first and the third concert. So let us all hope that he manage to bring out some new and fresh material soon for future concerts /Br Kenneth - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? > Well David Bowie manages to record a new and interesting album every couple > of years and then tours it with shows that while feature plenty of well worn > hits also contain ever changing set lists and plenty of surprises. > > Ferry on the other hand give us a new album almost every decade and is now > into his fifth consquetive year touring with fairly minimal changes to the set > list. > > Its a waste of talent and he should bloody well pull his finger out. > > We, after all, pay his wages! > > J > > > > > In a message dated 29/01/2004 23:50:30 GMT Standard Time, > daniel.atterbom@odata.se writes: > > > Ok, what do you want from Mr Ferry? He's done some of the most > > intresting albums from the last 30 years, the last one in my book was > > ten years ago. Very few brits born in the 40's make music that moves > > me in any shape or form these days. If he calls it quit nopw, he's > > done more then we have the right to expect imho. > > -- > > > > Daniel > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:06:15 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? In the the brief but interesting interview in Frieze magazine, I think Ferry's comment: 'It would be nice to do something again that was quite demanding to the listener' highlights a desire but perhaps an inability to push himself forward..? Any other thoughts on this reasonably insightful interview (This is Tomorrow seems to get a bit of a kicking..). J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:03:23 -0000 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? yes - why doesn't he do something more demanding then ?! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boring Bryan? > In the the brief but interesting interview in Frieze magazine, I think > Ferry's comment: 'It would be nice to do something again that was quite demanding to > the listener' highlights a desire but perhaps an inability to push himself > forward..? > > Any other thoughts on this reasonably insightful interview (This is Tomorrow > seems to get a bit of a kicking..). > > > J > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #26 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest