From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V9 #9 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, January 14 2004 Volume 09 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Bryan Ferry Aberdeen Nov. 16, 2003 reoffers [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry Aberdeen Nov. 16, 2003 reoffers ["the bogus man"] Re: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie [KB Porter <] Re: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie [Daniel Atte] RE: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie ["Tracy Elli] Re: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie ["Tracy Conn] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:54:56 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry Aberdeen Nov. 16, 2003 reoffers Hi all, Tracy from England will reoffer in the UK, Frank from Holland will reoffer in mainland Europe/rest of the world if necessary M from the US will reoffer in the States and John from Canada will reoffer in North America. Cheers, Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:05:55 +0100 From: "the bogus man" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry Aberdeen Nov. 16, 2003 reoffers ok kids I'm ready to be the italian branch dan who will be the sender to me? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:54:34 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie "And all the press releases say that this No Doubt singer's collaberation is a cover of the mid-80's hit by "Roxy Music", apparently. Idiots. How lazy are people that they can't be bothered to even google for the correct artist!" Joel, I quite agree with you about this kind of 'sloppy journalism' - these reporters are expected (presumably, paid) to be accurate. I've wondered how deliberate the 'blurring of the line between Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music' has been over time: In the beginning we had Roxy Music, and Bryan Ferry was their keyboard playing songwriter. Then he became the RM 'front man songwriter'. Soon, BF seeded his solo career by releasing 'covers' of other artist's creations while maintaining 'front man songwriter' status with RM. And this promulgation grew nicely... until stormy weather wrought RM with personnel changes, ideological and idiosyncratic shifting, until the band became little more than Bryan Ferry's Roxy Music. Well, we all know that BF's RM disbanded, presumably because BF wanted to grow his own way... His harvest since the first fruits of Roxy Music Is His Career, and in all fairness, one assumes these fruits of his labor were justly taken. Now, back to the original thought - has BF consciously or deliberately 'blurred the definition of RM vs. BF in order to maximize his career, or, is he unaware of, oblivious to this hybrid creation. Further, I wonder, at which point (assuming he is aware) did Bryan Ferry decide it was to his benefit to 'confuse the general public' by blending his Roxy Music achievements with his solo music achievements - was that part of his 'master plan' or did he just play things 'by ear'? Or, did he adopt this method of cultivation because he feared his 'well was running dry'? Opinions, comments, thoughts, anyone? Or is Mr. Ferry irrelevant, not worthy of our time? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:34:45 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie At 10.54 -0500 04-01-13, KB Porter wrote: >Opinions, comments, thoughts, anyone? Or is Mr. Ferry >irrelevant, not worthy of our time? He is a very shy man, forced to be a front man, who can not always express his true emotions imho. - -- Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:48:02 -0000 From: "Tracy Elliott" Subject: RE: [AVALON] "Slave To Love" cover in new Adam Sandler movie >Now, back to the original thought - has BF consciously or >deliberately 'blurred the definition of RM vs. BF in order >to maximize his career, or, is he unaware of, oblivious to >this hybrid creation. Further, I wonder, at which point >(assuming he is aware) did Bryan Ferry decide it was to his >benefit to 'confuse the general public' by blending his Roxy >Music achievements with his solo music achievements - was >that part of his 'master plan' or did he just play things >'by ear'? Or, did he adopt this method of cultivation >because he feared his 'well was running dry'? It has become blurred, but how much can be placed at BF's door is open to guess work. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the "normal" 1 gig a tour maximum concert goers who expect certain hits to be played and have caused (or at least caused it to the degree it now is) the blurring. I remember being told of two women during the Roxy 2001 tour who were disappointed that they didn't do Slave to Love and I'm sure there are other similar stories. It's like (if this is true) that there are certain songs (including unfortunately LITD) that have to be played at every gig because of his management/promoters and that is a RM song which has been played at every BF gig since ..... hmmm, a long time ago. T - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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On the subject of RM and BF becoming blurred, I think RM and BF were bound to become so. We can go back to the early '80s with Avalon (RM) then Boys and Girls (BF). IMO these albums have a similar sound, yet one is Roxy and one is Bryan. I do however appreciate the difference (especially live) between a Roxy song done by BF solo and by Roxy. I think those who are not 'die-hard' fans don't notice the difference so much, as I must admit I didn't before seeing BF perform Roxy songs live and then seeing Roxy do the same ones live within a short space of time ( I only really started listening to Roxy Music about 5/6 years ago, but have listened to Bryan since 'Boys and Girls'). I began collecting Roxy Music albums when I joined this mailing list - bought a pile at once (on offer in HMV), and I remember saying to someone on here that it was like listening to a new BF record every day. Have to admit the difference between BF and Roxy was blurred for me then. Anyway, despite years between albums and the odd 'dodgy' cover, I think Mr Ferry has left his mark, and a very distinctive one, and one which I think should be encouraged. We should feed his creativity. We know he can do it! Okay, so Frantic was half covers, but I think it's his best solo work since 'Boys and Girls'. I think with this album he proved that his music is still 'worthy of our time' (chart success or no chart success). It really took me by surprise when I first heard it. So what can he achieve with more encouragement? (she says in hope of a new album less than 8 years in the future). Well, that's my 2c worth! : ) Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V9 #9 ************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest