From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #336 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, December 8 2003 Volume 08 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Miss World [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Re: Scott Walker ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [Colleen Matan ] RE: [AVALON] Miss World ["Tracy Elliott" ] RE: [AVALON] Miss World [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Miss World [DEAGLERR@aol.com] [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads [Heather Marie Buch ] Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Miss World ["Anton van Lammeren" ] [AVALON] profile and karaoke [philip77@tiscali.co.uk] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Miss World For those who wish to know, it was 'Jealous Guy' performed by Bryan on yesterdays Miss World, broadcast from China. I couldn't actually bear to watch the programme all the way through, so probably did what others did too and taped it, ready to fast forward search later to see where the man himself appeared. It was shortly before the end of the programme, and I was surprised it was performed 'live', and not a mimed take as I expected. It was quite bizarre in a way though. Just 3 of them on stage, Bryan, and the, ermm, singers, who screeched their 'woah woah woah woahs' very loudly all over the ending again, a-la JG and MOL on the tour. Now, I know they are great singers in their field and all that, and sure, there is a place for that in music, but can I just say, not not not not not not on Roxy songs, p l e a s e ... There is categorically no truth whatsoever though, in the vicious rumour going round that they were introduced as 'Bryan Ferry and The Wailers'. Bryan sang well, looked good, though it was all a bit strange near the end, with various Miss World Contestants slinking and strutting around Bryan as he whistled like a good 'un. I turned to my brother who was here watching this spectacle, and noted that it seemed such a long, long way from the style and class of 1) The 'As Time Goes By' Tour, and 2) the Roxy Music Tour. He agreed (though I'm sure there may be others on this list who see it rather differently). How things seemed to have changed in the last couple of years. I just thought it had all taken a few steps backwards somewhere along the line. Maybe that's just my thoughts, who knows ? Having said that, I guess it's all about exposure to the masses, and recent TV appearances have certainly done that. Some of these things do make me cringe a bit though. Looking forward, (impatiently) to a new Album, whenever it may appear, if the past / recent / current / forthcoming Frantic Tour ever ends. Time to get 'back on track', if you know what I mean. I do often wonder if Bryan's seemed reluctance to jump into the studio to record new material isn't helped at all by the sort of exposure where the contracts will obviously stipulate what he must perform. Promoters can, and do, insist on a certain number of 'hits' and the like, and I wonder how he must feel when, for the most part, he usually has to trot out the same songs from 20 odd years ago, again and again, on these sort of things (Fashion Rocks, Miss World and the like), rather than play new or recent material. There are occasional exceptions, such as 'Fool For Love' at The Vatican, but I do wish they were more the norm rather than the exception to the rule. I do hope that all changes a little, somehow, as he is so much more than a 'nostalgia' act, surely, to us all. Footnote, and a warning : Chris De Burgh's daughter won Miss World. This means he might release a new record to celebrate this fact. Take cover now, while there's still time. Reecey... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:00:05 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World At 01.13 -0800 03-12-07, Johnny Reece wrote: >Just 3 of them on stage, Bryan, and the, ermm, >singers, who screeched their 'woah woah woah woahs' >very loudly all over the ending again, a-la JG and MOL >on the tour. Could we have names please. I am glad that the winner had an English name - easy to spell. That Miss Sweden is called Idha Sofringsgard is highly unlikely and gives zero hits on Google in Swedish. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:59:34 +0000 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Scott Walker I've been listening a lot to Scott Walker (and the Walker Brothers) recently, rediscovering those first four solo albums (Scott 4 is the best one to start with) and trying to get to grips with Tilt and Climate Of Hunter (I'm slowly getting there). I've also just read a great biography called A Deep Shade Of Blue which covers his life and career just prior to the release of Tilt. Walker is an acknowledged influence on many artists - Julian Cope, Marc Almond, Bono, Jarvis Cocker, and undoubtedly an influence on David Bowie, from early on in his career with the exploration of Jacques Brel, to the more recent past, including a cover of Nite Flights and Bowie's increasingly similar vocal style. Walker's Tilt and Bowie's Outside are very similar works too. But listening to the classic 60s material, I wonder how much of an influence Walker was on Ferry and Roxy? I've never heard Ferry talk about Scott Walker, but it's obvious he is/was a fan, at the very least soaked up some of Walker's European obsessions and influences. Just listen to Chance Meeting (especially the solo version), For Your Pleasure, A Song For Europe, Bitter Sweet - Ferry's dramatic, resonant croon closely echoes Walker's style. In the biography it mentions the sessions with Fripp, Eno and Daniel Lanois, recorded at Phil Manzanera's studio. It was just after Eno and Lanois had produced U2's Unforgettable Fire album. Walker was signed to Virgin records mainly because of Eno's enthusiasm, and there had been talk of a collaboration for several years leading up to those sessions (David Bowie made an approach to produce Walker in the late 70s too). Before any vocals were laid down, Walker pulled out of the project, giving the reasons that he didn't like Eno and Lanois' heavy use of programmed synths, stating that the technology was driving the sessions. He also didn't like Daniel Lanois because he looked like a gypsy! To try and salvage something from the sessions, Virgin intended to release the backing tracks as a Fripp/Eno album, but that was blocked. As far as I know they remain unreleased, but Walker's then manager (Ed Bicknell) and the head of A&R at Virgin (whose name I've forgotten) claimed it was some of the most beautiful music they'd ever heard and were deeply disappointed at Walker's decision to pull out. Anyway, Climate Of Hunter is indeed deleted, but only recently, so it shouldn't be too hard to pick one up second-hand. Failing that, there's a Scott Walker box set just been released which covers all his solo recordings from the mid-60s, including loads of rare tracks. It's called Five Easy Pieces and is sequenced thematically over five discs (hence the title). It's on my Christmas list! And for the curious, check out a compilation called Boy Child, a collection of Scott's self-penned solo work from 1967 - 1970. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Johnny Reece wrote: > Footnote, and a warning : > Chris De Burgh's daughter won Miss World. > This means he might release a new record to celebrate > this fact. Take cover now, while there's still time. May I say how happy I am to live in the US and therefore safe from this musical terrorism? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:59:36 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World At 09.16 -0500 03-12-07, Colleen Matan wrote: >May I say how happy I am to live in the US and therefore safe from this >musical terrorism? You mean that you have never heard the Chris De Burgh song The lady in red? Here's your chance http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000339C/104-8193577-5938343?v=g lance Billboard Top Hits: 1987 1. With or Without You - U2 - - snip - 8. Don't Dream It's Over - Crowded House - - snip - 10. Lady in Red - Chris de Burgh Quoting Customer Reviews - -snip - Not that any of the songs here are bad, it's just that some of them sound a bit too much like products of their time, like Chris De Burgh's overplayed "The Lady in Red"; ... or forgettable songs like Crowded House's "Don't Dream It's Over" ... - - snip - ... and Crowded House's perfect pop of "Don't Dream It's Over" are the high point[s]. [But] - snip - Chris DeBurgh's wimpy "Lady In Red" is a headache. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:38:11 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World Lady in Red - A rather crap song not helped by its association with Royal fat arsed freeloader Fergie. J In a message dated 07/12/2003 14:21:17 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > May I say how happy I am to live in the US and therefore safe from this > musical terrorism? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Lady in Red - > > A rather crap song not helped by its association with Royal fat arsed > freeloader Fergie. Ooops, I should have noted I am familiar with that song, erm "song," and henceforth amend my original statement to "*further* musical terrorism." Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:54:10 -0000 From: "Tracy Elliott" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World >Footnote, and a warning : >Chris De Burgh's daughter won Miss World. >This means he might release a new record to celebrate >this fact. Take cover now, while there's still time. You are joking?? Does this mean a re-release of "The Miss World in Red"? Gemini at Eurovision was bad enough, but ..... sometimes you have to wonder if there isn't enough vomit in the world already! Lucky Colleen living in the US - but I'm sure we could excile Chris De Burgh. Regards. T - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 16/10/2003 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:06:52 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World At 15.54 +0000 03-12-07, Tracy Elliott wrote: >Lucky Colleen living in the US - but I'm sure we could excile Chris De >Burgh. You Brits have exciled the Irish for centuries, keep up the tradition! :-) I have actually attended a Chris De Burgh concert in 1981. I'll take Crowded House any day. NP The Beatles, The despectorized The long and winding road (I understand Paul's anger) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:30:55 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Miss World Terrorism indeed. "Lady in Red" is right up there with "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" and "We Built this City on Rock & Roll" and a few others, as a song I would murder to get away from. The essence of early 80s, MOR, MTV crap. Thanks a lot folks for infecting my brain, I'll be humming this monstrosity all afternoon. Please be careful in the future when bringing up such repugnant subjects. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:54:46 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads At 11.30 -0500 03-12-07, DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: >Please be careful in the future when bringing up such repugnant subjects. I found this on the internet some time back: No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads 3. Baha Men's "Who Let the Dogs Out?" 2. Chili's restaurant jingle about Baby Back Ribs 1. Other When University of Cincinnati researchers tried to find out what song gets stuck in our heads the most, the non-answer they came up with was quite revealing: Other. As in, there were way too many titles for a single poll to tally. Almost all of us suffer through this mental torture of having a song stuck on replay in our brains, repeating itself over and over and over until we want to just scream. If this happens to you frequently, we're very sorry to inform you that those University of Cincinnati researchers have determined you have slightly neurotic tendencies. Either that or you just enjoy music and listen to it often. (Personally, we're opting for the second choice.) Study leader James Kellaris did emphasize that people who suffer this mental torture frequently aren't seriously neurotic--just prone to worrying and anxiety and may have neurotic habits like biting pencils or tapping fingernails. (Oh, that makes us feel better.) Which songs get stuck? Kellaris explained to Reuters that when we get a song stuck in our heads, it's usually the first or last song we heard in a specific situation, such as the song playing on the clock radio alarm or the song on the car radio when we turned off the ignition. "Just about anything can get stuck in people's heads," Kellaris told Reuters. "We each have our personal demonic tunes that get stuck in our heads, I guess." But stuck songs, which the Germans call "earworm," tend to have these features in common: * They are relatively simple. * They are repetitive. * They contain an element that surprises the listener, such as an interrupted pattern or something that violates expectations of what comes next. * The most common culprits are songs with lyrics. * They stay stuck in our heads for a few hours on average. Women are more likely than men to be annoyed, frustrated, or irritated by "earworm," and this, more than any other aspect of this mental torture, puzzles the researchers the most. So what do you do to erase the stuck song from your brain? Kellaris advises you not to worry about it. (If you take him up on his advice, just don't listen to Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy" or you're sure to just trade one stuck song for another.) Other tips include listening to different music or distracting yourself with another activity. You can also try singing the entire song--and not just the snippet that's stuck in your head--even if you can't quite remember all the lyrics. There's even a folklore cure: Chew on cinnamon sticks. The research was presented at the Society for Consumer Psychology Winter Conference in New Orleans. end. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:23:28 EST From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads If I listen to Stranded I could hear MOP play in my head for about a month! Right now I'm stuck on "I want to be adored" (?), some obscure song on the radio in the States from the early 90's. Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:04:02 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > I have actually attended a Chris De Burgh concert in 1981. I'll take > Crowded House any day. > The Woman in Red - was that the soundtrack to the Gene Wilder / Gilda Radner film? I wonder what Rosanne Rosanna Danna would've said about that song - gross! Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:41:59 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > But stuck songs, which the Germans call "earworm," tend to have these > features in common: > That is really interesting. And I think "earworm" would be a great name for a band! Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:37:35 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads In a message dated 12/7/03 12:03:44 PM, daniel.atterbom@odata.se writes: > seriously neurotic--just prone to worrying > and anxiety and may have neurotic > TRUE! nervous, very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why WILL you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses, not destroyed, not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How then am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily, how calmly, I can tell you the whole story. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:54:30 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] No. 1 Song That Gets Stuck In Our Heads In a message dated 07/12/2003 23:39:48 GMT Standard Time, DEAGLERR@aol.com writes: > The disease had sharpened my senses, not destroyed, not > dulled them. Edgar Allen Poe, as redone by Lou Reed in Tell-tale heart from "The Raven" Brilliant. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:00:57 +0100 From: "Anton van Lammeren" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Miss World > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Reece > Sent: zondag 7 december 2003 10:14 > Subject: [AVALON] Miss World > > For those who wish to know, it was 'Jealous Guy' > performed by Bryan on yesterdays Miss World, > broadcast from China. Wonder where or when it will be broadcasted here in The Netherlands, or around. Anyone? Tara, Anton. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:03:04 +0000 From: philip77@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] profile and karaoke Miss World,, mmmmm how tacky... and now the karaoke that I read yesterday was billed " worth the price of admission alone" .. Bill Murray's take on "More Than This" in Lost in Translation , out Jan 9th at a cinema near you. Should help the Far East market. Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #336 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest