From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #327 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, November 28 2003 Volume 08 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Movin' ? ["Anton van Lammeren" ] [AVALON] Pyjamarama ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama [Heather Marie Buch ] [AVALON] Pyjamarama [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= ] Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama ["Andrew Shearer" ] [AVALON] Pyjamarama ["Dave Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions ["Duncan Watkins" ] Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions ["Paula Brown" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Movin' ? Thanks Stirling, There our Bry isn't mentioned as one of the "personell" included: Jeff Bridges (vocals, acoustic guitar); Chris Pelonis (vocals, guitar); Michael McDonald (vocals, piano, keyboards); Amy Holland-McDonald, Jerry Lynne, David Crosby (vocals); Jaydee Maness (pedal steel); Angus Cooke (cello); Tom Ball (harmonica); George England, Vince Denim (saxophone); Jeff Elliot (trumpet); Tim Akers (synthesizer); Todd Smith (bass); Brian Zaupnik (drums); Brad Dutz, Rich Mangicaro (percussion); Butterfly Beach Bunnies (background vocals). Producers: Chris Pelonis, Michael McDonald, Jeff Bridges. Engineers include: Chris Pelonis, Mark Casselman, Angus Cooke. Recorded at The Pump, Santa Barbara, California So I take it that Allmusic's database got it somehow wrong.... Tara, Anton. Direct link: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1081488&cart=166204503&s tyle=music > -----Original Message----- > From: Stirling [mailto:stirl@pacbell.net] > Sent: donderdag 27 november 2003 8:40 > To: avl@dds.nl; Avalon list (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Movin' ? > > > I went to www.cduniverse.com and listened to the track > sample. No Bryan. > > Stirling > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [AVALON] Movin' ? > > > Hi Avalon, > > Anyone heard of this? > I didn't find it at vivaroxymusic, so I'm almost sure > it doesn't exist. ;-) > > > Artist Jeff Bridges > Album Title Be Here Soon > Date of Release Feb 22, 2000 > > First track: Movin' performed by Bryan Ferry - 4:28 > > Found it at: > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70311250 > 454491427&sql=A4ddovwdia9lk > > Tara, Anton. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:00:39 -0000 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama Reecey writes :- "Long since scrubbed from the BBC Archives apparently, though sometimes these things do have a habit of turning up eventually" Obviously correct and we can always hope but I do find it hard to believe that the BBC has archive TOTP`s stuff from the 50`s and 60`s carefully filed which is shown occasionaly on the likes of TOTP2 but they manage to "lose" important material from the 70`s. Not only is the track lost to TV it seems to be "lost" to radio as well. Even the likes of Steve Wright and other "golden oldies" slots never seems to play it. Even the most sympathetic DJ currently to RM being our great Johnathon Ross, seems to ignore it as well - but then recently played Amazona / Remake Remodel etc (excellent) on his Saturday show. In fact I don`t think I have ever heard Pyjamarama on the radio since it was released. Having made No.10 in the charts in `73 it cannot be regarded as a "miss". Surely Pyjamarama is the greatest "lost" and ignored RM single? Incidently, one would have thought that the logical sequence of inserting VP on the debut album cd would have continued with Pyjamara being added to FYP seeing as it was released to promote it? Regards to all. N. BTW Lee, here`s hoping your latest gig went down well. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:11:30 +0100 (MET) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama Was it "Pyjamarama" that Emily Watson's character was listening to in her bedroom, (on the radio?), in Lars Von Trier's film "Breaking the Waves"? Or was it "Virginia Plain"? Heather On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Nigel Hollis wrote: > "golden oldies" slots never seems to play it. Even the most sympathetic DJ > currently to RM being our great Johnathon Ross, seems to ignore it as well - > but then recently played Amazona / Remake Remodel etc (excellent) on his > Saturday show. > In fact I don`t think I have ever heard Pyjamarama on the radio since it was > released. Having made No.10 in the charts in `73 it cannot be regarded as a > "miss". > > Surely Pyjamarama is the greatest "lost" and ignored RM single? > > Incidently, one would have thought that the logical sequence of inserting VP > on the debut album cd would have continued with Pyjamara being added to FYP > seeing as it was released to promote it? > > Regards to all. > > N. > > BTW Lee, here`s hoping your latest gig went down well. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:28:24 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama I read a review recently that called the song 'Pyjama Armour.' Any evidence to suggest that this was the working title of the song or if it was ever called this? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:40:33 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama TOTP started in 1964, and in fact only 4 complete editions from the entire '60s exist, and the archive is patchy up to late 1976. That's why you see those grainly monochrome versions of Massachusetts by the Bee Gees and Hocus Pocus by Focus again and again. Sometimes, vintage clips are unearthed, or material from other shows, like 'It's Lulu' or the Cilla show is used. There's little or nothing left by the Beatles, Stones, Kinks, Troggs etc. The Beeb had a policy of rerecording on the then expensive videotape if they thought the material unlikely to be rebroadcast, so nothing as ephemeral as pop music was kept. Sadly that policy meant that we also lost Bryan performing Hard Rain on the show in 1973 and two performances of Smoke Gets In Your Eyes the following year. TOTP is being relaunched as a one-hour show tomorrow night, with a further one-hour sister edition on BBC3, as it enters its 40th year of broadcasting. Not bad for a show that was originally commisioned for a run of six shows, and was recorded in a church hall in Manchester. Chris --- Nigel Hollis wrote: > Reecey writes :- I do find it hard to believe > that the BBC has archive TOTP`s stuff from the 50`s and 60`s carefully filed > which is shown occasionaly on the likes of TOTP2 but they manage to "lose" > important material from the 70`s. ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:24:18 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama Hi Nigel and All, Actually I'm not sure that JR hasn't played Pyjarmarama on his show, I seem to rememeber it but it might be my memory playing tricks. He's certainly played Out of the Blue. On a different note, there was a piece on the Stuart Maconie show recently about songs which only use the title once at the end. Now I'm sure you can all think of one (if you can't, you're a disgrace to this list! (;-)) but can you think of another? Only one other was mentioned (I think, I didn't listen to the whole show). By way of a clue, Colleen please accept my apologies as things might go off topic by the necessity of mentioning other bands. Regards, Andrew PS Lee I'm sorry I couldn't make it last night. >From: "Nigel Hollis" >To: "avalon digest" >Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:00:39 -0000 > >Reecey writes :- > >"Long since scrubbed from the BBC Archives apparently, >though sometimes these things do have a habit of >turning up eventually" > >Obviously correct and we can always hope but I do find it hard to believe >that the BBC has archive TOTP`s stuff from the 50`s and 60`s carefully >filed >which is shown occasionaly on the likes of TOTP2 but they manage to "lose" >important material from the 70`s. Not only is the track lost to TV it seems >to be "lost" to radio as well. Even the likes of Steve Wright and other >"golden oldies" slots never seems to play it. Even the most sympathetic DJ >currently to RM being our great Johnathon Ross, seems to ignore it as well >- >but then recently played Amazona / Remake Remodel etc (excellent) on his >Saturday show. >In fact I don`t think I have ever heard Pyjamarama on the radio since it >was >released. Having made No.10 in the charts in `73 it cannot be regarded as a >"miss". > >Surely Pyjamarama is the greatest "lost" and ignored RM single? > >Incidently, one would have thought that the logical sequence of inserting >VP >on the debut album cd would have continued with Pyjamara being added to FYP >seeing as it was released to promote it? > >Regards to all. > >N. > >BTW Lee, here`s hoping your latest gig went down well. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:24:53 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pyjamarama Hi Nigel and All, Actually I'm not sure that JR hasn't played Pyjarmarama on his show, I seem to rememeber it but it might be my memory playing tricks. He's certainly played Out of the Blue. On a different note, there was a piece on the Stuart Maconie show recently about songs which only use the title once at the end. Now I'm sure you can all think of one (if you can't, you're a disgrace to this list! (;-)) but can you think of another? Only one other was mentioned (I think, I didn't listen to the whole show). By way of a clue, Colleen please accept my apologies as things might go off topic by the necessity of mentioning other bands. Regards, Andrew PS Lee I'm sorry I couldn't make it last night. >From: "Nigel Hollis" >To: "avalon digest" >Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:00:39 -0000 > >Reecey writes :- > >"Long since scrubbed from the BBC Archives apparently, >though sometimes these things do have a habit of >turning up eventually" > >Obviously correct and we can always hope but I do find it hard to believe >that the BBC has archive TOTP`s stuff from the 50`s and 60`s carefully >filed >which is shown occasionaly on the likes of TOTP2 but they manage to "lose" >important material from the 70`s. Not only is the track lost to TV it seems >to be "lost" to radio as well. Even the likes of Steve Wright and other >"golden oldies" slots never seems to play it. Even the most sympathetic DJ >currently to RM being our great Johnathon Ross, seems to ignore it as well >- >but then recently played Amazona / Remake Remodel etc (excellent) on his >Saturday show. >In fact I don`t think I have ever heard Pyjamarama on the radio since it >was >released. Having made No.10 in the charts in `73 it cannot be regarded as a >"miss". > >Surely Pyjamarama is the greatest "lost" and ignored RM single? > >Incidently, one would have thought that the logical sequence of inserting >VP >on the debut album cd would have continued with Pyjamara being added to FYP >seeing as it was released to promote it? > >Regards to all. > >N. > >BTW Lee, here`s hoping your latest gig went down well. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:34:46 -0000 From: "Dave Taylor" Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama What's the story re. Pyjamarama's origins ? I recall reading some stuff ( in Melody Maker/Sounds/NME or whatever ) saying that Bryan wrote the song in about 45 minutes flat and despised it, apparantly under immense pressure from Island Records ??? Can anyone expand on this ? Dave. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:06:18 +0000 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions >after the inexplicable >and disastrous decision to release Trash as the first single from Manifesto >(I heard BF comment >"...it was trash.." on TV once). Not sure about that comment Chris. While not a great hit at the time and this was 1979 after the punk explosion, the slightly jarring opening and musical feel of the song was a throwback to early Roxy. I can remember the video/film/promo that went with it getting a lot of airplay on TV at that time. It also went down very well live on both the Manifesto and F+B tours and for me was the stand out track of my first Roxy show at the Birmingham odeon 1979. Onto 'Dance Away' I forget- why was the track re-recorded/altered from the album version for single release? How many album versions are there? because as far as I know my picture disc version is the same as my original vinyl album version, which is different from the information on VivaRoxyMusic. John it's over to you. Regards, Duncan. ________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:14:22 +0000 (GMT) From: pauline.okeeffe@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album Single Versions > and for me was the stand out track of my first Roxy show at the Birmingham odeon 1979. Have to agree with you there Duncan.I love Trash,fast or slow. Can't say the same for Dance Away though- didn't I read somewhere that BF isn't too keen on it? All the best Pauline ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:22:52 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions In a message dated 27/11/03 19:07:15 GMT Standard Time, duncanfyp@hotmail.com writes: > as far as I know my picture disc version is the same as my original vinyl > album version, which is different from the information on VivaRoxyMusic. > John it's over to you. > The original vinyl and picture disc had the versions of both Dance Away & Angel Eyes that are now found on The Thrill Of It All box set. The vinyl was then reissued with the single mixes of both these songs with the picture disc remaining the way it was originally released. This adds up to there being 3 different vinyl releases: picture disc and 2 different black vinyl releases. Dance Away was the first single I bought or to be more accurate, had bought for me and because of that I have fond memories of that period when then I bought Manifesto & The Greatest Hits before my elder sister gave me the back catalogue that she had loaned a friend. I have no desire to listen to the song again but I take Chris' s point it was a very important single for Roxy in that it put them back at the top. Trash to me is a great track that has a pace and energy to it that Ferry/Roxy have rarely done since. I think the Manifesto album has a few great track that are over looked and probably underplayed due to the fact they are on the same album as the over heard Dance Away & Angel Eyes. The title track is like no Roxy song before then or since and Stronger Through The Years is more early Roxy than a lot of early Roxy. The backward drum sounds are as experimental as any Eno ism on a Roxy album and the end section with Alan Spenner's bass solo, Manzanera's 'on fire' guitar break and Andy MacKay doing what only Andy MacKay does. Spin Me Round is close to being the best ballad (or did I mean 'Ballade') Roxy have done and is how Avalon (the song) would have sounded if it was had more Roxyisms and less Ferryisms. I agree with the earlier comments that Ferry has since 1999 gained higher success and profile than he has for years. His peak was undoubtedly the Roxy 2001 tour which should have launched him further. The Frantic album gained him moderate success but with a tour that began something too close to the Roxy tour began to spoil for me the memory of how Roxy 2001 did Tara, Both Ends Burning, Love Is The Drug & Do The Strand (with the dancers) this was all copied for the Frantic tour which almost then erased how special and individual to the 2001 tour that was. I truly believe that Ferry will undo all that he has done for himself the last 4 years if he doesn't do something new and fresh. The die hard who admittedly make up a small part of the audience are not turning out the way they used to. I could not make the efforts I have made before unless the rampant apathy of doing shows the easy way changes. The passing fans have all seen Ferry the once they want to see him in the last 4 years so I think his audiences will dwindle unless something new and fresh happens. I think most of all feel frustrated with Ferry rather than angry. He has such a rich catalogue that gets ignored. If his last tour had to have a formula of X amount of hits etc then why didn't he introduce many rarely/never performed hits like The Price Of Love & This Is Tomorrow (with Spedding in the band) Angel Eyes (with a harpist in the band) Over You, Same Old Scene, Is Your Love Strong Enough?, not necessarily my favourite tunes but they are all hits like Dance Away Jealous Guy Love Is The Drug etc. It would be refreshing for the fans but remaining familiar to the die hards but most of all, I would imagine it would be refreshing for the band and Ferry but he just seems to go down the safe dependable route. That can only go so far until the die hards are uninspired and the other 95% of the audience/ticket buyers who pay Ferry's wages start using the words 'played' and 'out' The Frantic tour looked interesting with surprises popping up here and there for the first while but it soon settled into predictability mode. I don't say all this with a po faced moan but as a concerned fan. I am going to see Bowie tomorrow night and have looked at the set lists on a Bowie fan site to see what he is doing and to play the stuff to my wife so she gets familiar with the non hits but his set lists are so changing that he has done almost 50 songs in about 15-20 shows. That tells me Bowie is up for it and has an interest and passion for what he is doing. That reflects on to an audience both ways and I hope the apparent apathy at the Ferry camp will change. I am sure there will be a million excuses made but we can only defend him for so long. I looked round during Let's stick together at the recent Dundee show and everyone in the audience was on there feet dancing and singing and I thought ' the music must be good, the band must be playing well, Ferry must be performing well, I just wish I could feel the way the audience did' That is partly my fault for going to so many shows but it is more frustration than anything on my part. The audiences will diminish if a new fresh approach is not made for the tour with next years album. He has put a lot of hard work in the last 4 years and so have the fans, "I hope and pray he don't blow it" J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:12:16 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions If you remove the emotion from the argument, however much you personally liked Trash (and I liked it too), Roxy's decision chose to hang their comeback from hiatus on that two-minute ditty was a rank bad decision. It sold nothing (it reached only No. 40 in the UK chart), got an almost universal panning from the critics, and caused Manifesto to be released to an unecessarily muted reception - a situation which was only rescued by the band having Dance Away up their sleeves. Mind you, I seem to remember that So Far Away, the first single from Brothers In Arms bombed, and that the first single from Thriller was not Billie-Jean or Beat It but that ghastly bathetic duet with McCartney. Both of those albums went on to do *fairly* well I think...which just supports my long-held contention that record companies rarely have the faintest clue what the record-buying public want. Chris --- Duncan Watkins wrote: > >after the inexplicable > >and disastrous decision to release Trash as the first single from Manifesto > >(I heard BF comment > >"...it was trash.." on TV once). > > > Not sure about that comment Chris. While not a great hit at the time and > this was 1979 after the punk explosion, the slightly jarring opening and > musical feel of the song was a throwback to early Roxy. I can remember the > video/film/promo that went with it getting a lot of airplay on TV at that > time. It also went down very well live on both the Manifesto and F+B tours > and for me was the stand out track of my first Roxy show at the Birmingham > odeon 1979. ________________________________________________________________________ Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:32:15 -0000 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TRASHED John writes: [snip] > "I hope and pray he don't blow it" > > J.O'B. Cracking post John. Brought me out of the shadows...... He has already blown it - we know that. We hope not - but he has. He blew it between Boys and Girls and BeteNoire. He's 58 now and at 40 he had the world at his feet. For someone so avant garde he never worked well on his own - apart from the multi- facted Boys and Girls which although quite brilliant sowed the sterile seeds (a mixed metaphor if ever there was one) of Bete Noire,Taxi and Mamaouna. He won't be back commercially now. A re-released LST his last top ten hit was Slave to Love in 1985 - 18 years ago. Longer than the gap between Slave to Love and Virginia Plain. It's all over now Baby Bry. Stopped the Dance. Wasn't strong enough. Plastic music, plastic world Bry. No TIGER SKIN. But cos I am a die hard fan there is always this glimmer of hope. You know, one morning you pick up the paper and he's number one in the singles chart ?! No hope - not a glimmer. Not whilst we have his best songs continually sanitised by c*ap production and conventional presentation. His individuality and idiosyncracy should be bottled and sold - not produced out so he sounds like everyone else. CUT THIS OUT and just sing the haunting beautiful melodies - the only face - out of place - like no one else can. Bowie is a good example of what some genuine self belief can achieve and his last few albums have been great. Bring me the Disco King indeed. Bryan Ferry will always be number one for me - but I don't want to see Britains coolest guy, not too mention best ever lyricist, descend to the cabaret circuit. So I echo John - Bryan - if you've got it in you - WRITE SOMETHING EMOTIONAL,PERSONAL with your trademark all over it. Be proud of it and don;t agonise over trivia, the class the beauty and the emotion will shine through. If not well - thanks for the memories. Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:36:35 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dance Away/Trash/Album+Single Versions I thought the production was weak or at least seemed disoriented on Manifesto. I didn't really like the direction the music was taking on it, but it was the production not the songs that seemed weakest to me. I remember at the time being able to imagine liking some of them more (notably Trash) with totally different mixes. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #327 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest