From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #303 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, November 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] FASHION ROCKED? [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Signed BF Mamouna for sale [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [" Andy" ] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger [" Andy" ] [AVALON] ride the horse of troy ["danyellow" ] [AVALON] Friday afternoon thoughts ... ["S.J.Batie" ] Re: [AVALON] great music [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] FASHION ROCKED? [Don Schultz ] Re: [AVALON] Friday afternoon thoughts ... ["Judy Kaufman" Caught Fashion Rocks on A&E here in the States last nite and I >thought the whole thing ROCKED! >Bryan was DYNAMIC and it seemed to reflect in the audience's >response... Am I alone here? I watched the whole thing on UK TV the following Sunday and can only think that people in the audience were so glad to have a local karaoke club classic to sing along and dance to (just as they do at EVERY Bryan Ferry show when that particular number arrives). I thought the whole show slapdash (Liz and Dennis had shades of Sam Fox and Mick Fleetwood in their hosting style) and the live acts looked tawdry as they were continually paraded in front of by yet another equestrian fleet of modelles, constantly getting in the way of the cameras. I agree with Bowie's recent line during his Zurich gig that fashion catwalk parades have more than an element of horseness about them. Bryan looked elegant sure enough, with just the right amount of bored vapidity to accompany the fact that this was his 32nd anniversary of attending fashion events. But dynamic??? How capable of believing our own hype are we? Best wishes Richard Mills n/p All Tomorrow's Parties (single version) - Peel Slowly & See ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:59:58 -0500 From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Signed BF Mamouna for sale A friend of mine has a personally signed copy of the Mamouna CD single which he wants to sell. Asking price is $20 plus postage. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me OFFLIST. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Sunday Morning (well, it comes next, doesn't it?) PS This really is a friend of mine, not one of those imaginary friends I excuse my own behaviour with. I would never sell a signed BF item, but I would rather an Avalonian bought it than an unscrubbed member of the public ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:02:21 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger I've loved Roxy for years. They were such a great band. Even in there most commercial phase they still sounded like a future we'd all like to hear. To be honest though, my opinion is beginning to change. Thanks to appalling decisions (a factor throughout the bands career but with little evidence anything was learned) we are left with a hulking rock dinosaur, seemingly devoid of creativity lurching around to rapidly diminshing interest. I'm not sure if many of the list members here are interested anymore, hence the silence over the last months. On Tuesday I had the great pleasure of seeing Goldfrapp play at the Hammersmith Apollo. Everything that Roxy should be was encapsulated there. A hint of sexual danger, a strong performance from a shy/forthcoming frontperson and a sense of mystery and otherworldness that Roxy simply no longer deliver. I think Roxy's (and therefore Ferry's) mistake is that they really need to (a) stop thinking that Avalon was the be all and end all of what people want to hear and (b) for Heavens sake let's have some decent edgy new material. All the best, J n/p Bryan Ferry (Featuring Alison Goldfrapp) 'San Simeon' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:47:16 -0000 From: " Andy" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Goldfrapp were good, very good, I was there, three shoves from the front. However, the comparison with Roxy is pointless. Roxy has stood the test of time; if YOU don't like them anymore after nearly 30 years then don't listen. How long will you like Goldfrapp? I have yet to hear any lyrics that compare to Roxy's. As a point of interest the sound (not the singing) at Goldfrapp was crap, I could see that half the words at the end of many lines were not coming through at all! Why was the mixing desk at the side of the stage? Incidentally the lighting was also pathetic! Perhaps they will have it right in a few years! The girl with the bare breasts probably distracted you! Regards Andy Langley - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger I've loved Roxy for years. They were such a great band. Even in there most commercial phase they still sounded like a future we'd all like to hear. To be honest though, my opinion is beginning to change. Thanks to appalling decisions (a factor throughout the bands career but with little evidence anything was learned) we are left with a hulking rock dinosaur, seemingly devoid of creativity lurching around to rapidly diminshing interest. I'm not sure if many of the list members here are interested anymore, hence the silence over the last months. On Tuesday I had the great pleasure of seeing Goldfrapp play at the Hammersmith Apollo. Everything that Roxy should be was encapsulated there. A hint of sexual danger, a strong performance from a shy/forthcoming frontperson and a sense of mystery and otherworldness that Roxy simply no longer deliver. I think Roxy's (and therefore Ferry's) mistake is that they really need to (a) stop thinking that Avalon was the be all and end all of what people want to hear and (b) for Heavens sake let's have some decent edgy new material. All the best, J n/p Bryan Ferry (Featuring Alison Goldfrapp) 'San Simeon' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:04:37 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger You misunderstand. I still like Roxy (listening to FYP as I type) but they really should try doing something a bit more creative at this stage. They are becoming dull and if it continues will slowly but surely erode the mystique of the band. It's obvious from the lack of discussion on this list alone that it's all gone a bit 'ho-hum'. My comparison to Goldfrapp isn't lyric based at all. I'm looking at the mise-en-scene, which, quite frankly, was awesome. Lighting and sound crap? You shouldve been in the posh seats. They were great. Roxy should raise their game. We all know they can. J ps. As the girl with the bare breasts was only on for two songs she hardly presented much of a distraction. In a message dated 31/10/2003 15:48:32 GMT Standard Time, Andy.Clique@btinternet.com writes: > Goldfrapp were good, very good, I was there, three shoves from the front. > However, the comparison with Roxy is pointless. Roxy has stood the test of > time; if YOU don't like them anymore after nearly 30 years then don't > listen. How long will you like Goldfrapp? I have yet to hear any lyrics that > compare to Roxy's. > > As a point of interest the sound (not the singing) at Goldfrapp was crap, I > could see that half the words at the end of many lines were not coming > through at all! Why was the mixing desk at the side of the stage? > Incidentally the lighting was also pathetic! Perhaps they will have it right > in a few years! > > The girl with the bare breasts probably distracted you! > > Regards > > Andy Langley ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:07:20 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger In a message dated 31/10/03 14:03:22 GMT Standard Time, KWil632057@aol.com writes: > On Tuesday I had the great pleasure of seeing Goldfrapp play at the > Hammersmith Apollo. Everything that Roxy should be was encapsulated there. Eh? How can you possibly compare Roxy with this tripe? I watched a documentary on them/her last week, what is all the fuss about? Kate Bush meets Portishead, only far more boring. Get a grip. Btw, did your grandchildren enjoy the Goldfrapp gig, I mean, eh, you were there with them, right? n/p Frank Zappa "Nig Biz" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:10:33 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger You really are a pratt on every level. In a message dated 31/10/2003 16:08:39 GMT Standard Time, JFROXY@aol.com writes: > Eh? How can you possibly compare Roxy with this tripe? > I watched a documentary on them/her last week, what is all the fuss about? > Kate Bush meets Portishead, only far more boring. Get a grip. > Btw, did your grandchildren enjoy the Goldfrapp gig, I mean, eh, you were > there with them, right? > > n/p Frank Zappa "Nig Biz" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:14:31 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Pardon? Am I not entitled to my opinion? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:17:11 -0500 From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Quoting "" : > Pardon? > Am I not entitled to my opinion? Take this to private email or cut it out immediately. Thank you. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:27:12 -0000 From: " Andy" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Perhaps one valid comparison: Roxy is led by a rather cool man, Goldfrapp by a woman who thinks she is a horse. Regards, Andy Langley - ----- Original Message ----- From: " Andy" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Goldfrapp were good, very good, I was there, three shoves from the front. However, the comparison with Roxy is pointless. Roxy has stood the test of time; if YOU don't like them anymore after nearly 30 years then don't listen. How long will you like Goldfrapp? I have yet to hear any lyrics that compare to Roxy's. As a point of interest the sound (not the singing) at Goldfrapp was crap, I could see that half the words at the end of many lines were not coming through at all! Why was the mixing desk at the side of the stage? Incidentally the lighting was also pathetic! Perhaps they will have it right in a few years! The girl with the bare breasts probably distracted you! Regards Andy Langley - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger I've loved Roxy for years. They were such a great band. Even in there most commercial phase they still sounded like a future we'd all like to hear. To be honest though, my opinion is beginning to change. Thanks to appalling decisions (a factor throughout the bands career but with little evidence anything was learned) we are left with a hulking rock dinosaur, seemingly devoid of creativity lurching around to rapidly diminshing interest. I'm not sure if many of the list members here are interested anymore, hence the silence over the last months. On Tuesday I had the great pleasure of seeing Goldfrapp play at the Hammersmith Apollo. Everything that Roxy should be was encapsulated there. A hint of sexual danger, a strong performance from a shy/forthcoming frontperson and a sense of mystery and otherworldness that Roxy simply no longer deliver. I think Roxy's (and therefore Ferry's) mistake is that they really need to (a) stop thinking that Avalon was the be all and end all of what people want to hear and (b) for Heavens sake let's have some decent edgy new material. All the best, J n/p Bryan Ferry (Featuring Alison Goldfrapp) 'San Simeon' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:40:06 +0100 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] ride the horse of troy HUU kids U made me really curious now I have to look fot this thing called goldfrapp I never heard about before :-))))))))))))))))))) oh D isseus - ----- Original Message ----- From: " Andy" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger > Perhaps one valid comparison: > > Roxy is led by a rather cool man, Goldfrapp by a woman who thinks she is a > horse. > > Regards, > > Andy Langley ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:52:19 -0000 From: "S.J.Batie" Subject: [AVALON] Friday afternoon thoughts ... something that crossed my mind post 2001 roxy tour: (yes it has taken me a while to post !). I remember from years back that bands toured to promote albums and any loss they made on the tour turned positive (hopefully) on the release of the album. now I know times change, but realistically would the receipts from the tour venues etc. (and maybe advance sales of album / dvd) cover all costs for this world tour ? presumably sfx or whoever would underwrite but would never take a loss, so assuming messrs ferry, manzanera and mackay got their seven figure fee, the other outgoings would surely double this stake. so, where does the money come from, or does everyone do this sort of thing for next to nothing ??? could anyone who has any knowledge of this please enlighten me. steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:34:15 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Roxy, New Danger Seeing as you took it upon yourself to tell me to 'get a grip' and seem to think thatI I took my grandchildren to Goldfrapp (utterly incorrect i might add) then i thought i would deliver my opinion on you (which, surely by your own words, I am entitled to). In a message dated 31/10/2003 16:15:32 GMT Standard Time, JFROXY@aol.com writes: > Pardon? > Am I not entitled to my opinion? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:57:51 +0100 From: "Jimbo" Subject: [AVALON] great music "Later" tonight John Cale performing songs from his last record. jim. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:47:56 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] great music In a message dated 31/10/2003 22:34:39 GMT Standard Time, jimbo@zeelandnet.nl writes: > "Later" tonight John Cale performing songs from his last record. > > Not enough. He only played "Things" and "Archimedes" from HoboSapiens, and "Venus in Furs" from the still topical Velvet Underground times. But BBC4 will show a show with John Cale on Dec. 12. When it was filmed last Sunday, the show lasted 2 hours, and it was fantastic! He played 8 songs from his latest album, Venus in Furs and loads of other songs from throughout his career. The songs played on Jools just could not compete! John Cale's new album shows that someone aged 61 can still be on the cutting edge of music. Extracts: www.john-cale.com He will play live shows in Britain in December, throughout Europe November/early December. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:52:13 -0400 From: Don Schultz Subject: Re: [AVALON] FASHION ROCKED? Obviously we are unanimous in our belief of the hype, since apparently you were able to endure the "whole thing"... tawdry acts & all, and not have anything better to do with your time than make whine from sour grapes. Sounds like you'd have been better off making a "slapdash" for the remote. What an utterly dynamic idea! Here's to your sitcom... "Click" - -- Don S. on 10/31/03 9:56 AM, Chandla911@aol.com at Chandla911@aol.com wrote: > > I watched the whole thing on UK TV the following Sunday and > ... I thought the whole show slapdash... and the live acts looked > tawdry...Bryan looked elegant sure enough, with just the right amount of bored > vapidity to accompany the fact that this was his 32nd anniversary of attending > fashion events. But dynamic??? > How capable of believing our own hype are we? > > Best wishes > Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:33:23 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Friday afternoon thoughts ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: S.J.Batie >now I know times change, but realistically would the receipts from the tour >venues etc. (and maybe advance sales of album / dvd) cover all costs for >this world tour ? presumably sfx or whoever would underwrite but would never >take a loss, so assuming messrs ferry, manzanera and mackay got their seven >figure fee, the other outgoings would surely double this stake. so, where >does the money come from, or does everyone do this sort of thing for next to >nothing ??? Steve, I've attended several Springsteen/Cure/Depeche Mode shows and taken a few hundred dollars each time for programs, t-shirts, etc. Merchandising goes a long way to making up shortfalls. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #303 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest