From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #265 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, September 20 2003 Volume 08 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Tribute bands ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] Foxy Peterborough [LeeSullivanart@aol.com] [AVALON] Foxy Music ["Cassidy, Chris J (CPS)" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry karaoked ["Dave Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music [LeeSullivanart@aol.com] [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album [OBrienFerry@aol.com] [AVALON] Avalon in Bonn [Robert Vinkenborg ] [AVALON] Future Tours [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album [Bahi ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #264 [Brommers1@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #264 [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Doctor Bryan [KWil632057@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:25:04 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Tribute bands But there's a big difference between Broadway shows and tribute bands. In some cases Broadway shows are blatant money-making exercises, the tickets probably cost more than seeing the real thing! Not that that's possible, but you know what I mean. And those shows usually bring on mild nausea, that's until they do the Elton John Story as a musical... Eugh! Like Re-Make/Re-Model, tribute bands are usually started for fun, and as they discovered, the demand is there. Having seen several "professional" tribute bands, I can say with all honesty that it makes for a great night out! Maybe you should put aside your reservations, go see a tribute band, let your hair down and have a real blast! It's fun! SimonG - ---------- >From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) >To: avalon-digest@smoe.org >Subject: avalon-digest V8 #264 >Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 9:05am > > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:02:40 EDT > From: DEAGLERR@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Peterborough > > I have a real problem with "tribute bands". > And am not sure this is the forum for advertising the "appearing nightly at > your local.." > I.E. $ > > I would much rather see people write & perform their own music, or cover > other artists as a work of their own imagination. (a la BF) > There was a Roxy cover band in NYC a couple of years back, I was mildly > curious for about 5 seconds, then... > > I never felt "BEATLEMANIA" as a Broadway show could offer me anything that my > mind and the records couldn't > A friend insisted (and paid for the ticket) I accompany her to "Love, Janis" > or whatever it was called. > A "play" about Janis Joplin, last year. > It comprised of an "actress janis" who read her letters, and answered > interviewer's questions, and a "singing Janis", who actually was a good > likeness, & > tore the roof offa the joint. > However I couldn't help feeling pathetic at that summer of Love redux > necrofest. > The audience consisted of mostly aging hippies who were out for a spark of > their youth, & applauded the "singing Janis" as though she were the real thing. > Sad really. > > Don't get my opinion on this confused with the Dutch contingent's Remake > Remodel. They aren't making a career out of impersonation, but are having fun. > Quite different. > > I was saddened recently to find online a perfectly good metal band from back > in the day (Dirty Tricks) who have been making their career as "Stairway to > Zeppelin" in the UK. > I guess rockers gotta eat, but .... > Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:54:47 EDT From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Peterborough In a message dated 18/09/2003 20:03:31 GMT Daylight Time, DEAGLERR@aol.com writes: "I have a real problem with "tribute bands". And am not sure this is the forum for advertising the "appearing nightly at your local.." I.E. $ I would much rather see people write & perform their own music, or cover other artists as a work of their own imagination. (a la BF) There was a Roxy cover band in NYC a couple of years back, I was mildly curious for about 5 seconds, then... Don't get my opinion on this confused with the Dutch contingent's Remake Remodel. They aren't making a career out of impersonation, but are having fun. Quite different." Well, thanks for your positive remarks :) I assume that this forum is the place for any matters arising from RM - even to a free plug for a RM tribute band. May other Avalonians not be told of a Roxy-related gig? I feel I should clear up any misapprehension regarding Foxy-Music. I have been a fan of Mackay since 1972 and he alone inspired my own decision to start learning the sax. I understand your queasy feeling about 'tributes', but I'd gently suggest that we may be just as enthusiastic in our appreciation of RM as the wonderful RM/RM were (past tense as I believe they are - sadly - currently defunct and whom I saw in London). I've been Burning to play Both Ends on-stage since 1975! As for the financial side of this - and everyone who plays knows exactly how much finance, or rather the lack of it, plays in any band's struggle to exist - - if we're able to earn some extra cash through entertaining folk who may not all be hard-core fans but want a great night out, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Money does matter - my own sax kit is several thousand pounds worth, which is subsidised through my 'real' work, and certainly not through Foxy (even if we're wildly successful) or my other band which plays self-penned music. And which, incidentally, I wouldn't dream of advertising here or on any of the other RM forums I occasionally contribute to. Tribute bands are an interesting development in live music, and may be more generally thought of as an 'entertainment' rather than as 'legit', but I hope that anyone witnessing our 'If There Is Something' or 'Pyjamarama' or 'Ladytron' or 'Re-make/Re-model' would understand that whilst we need to cover costs and would like to make profit from the venture (okay - call me a bread-head) they'd be getting their money's worth. Or is that sad really? Lee Sullivan - sax player, Foxy-Music - off to the gig! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CPS)" Subject: [AVALON] Foxy Music Do Avalonians get a discount/back stage passes!!! Bedworth's literally just down the road but can't make 23 October. Might see you at Worcester. Best wishes with the venture. PS Is 'Bryan Avalon' the guy who advertised on here a while back asking if anyone was interested in setting up a tribute band - can't recall his name? >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:42:18 EDT >From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com >Subject: [AVALON] Foxy Peterborough >Okay, Roxy guys'n'gals - a reminder that our tribute band FOXY-MUSIC are >playing Peterborough this Friday evening. This may not be quite the same as Bonn, >but it's hugely cheaper! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Peterborough - --- DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: > I have a real problem with "tribute bands". > And am not sure this is the forum for advertising the "appearing > nightly at your local.." > > > Regards, R Deagle I see nothing wrong with a Roxy fan (Lee S) plugging his tribute band on this mailing list. It is very much on-topic. Enjoying a tribute band is something that isn't 'beneath me'. If the band is skilled and show enthusiasm, then I'm all for it. The best of success to Foxy Music and Lee Sullivan with your upcoming gigs! . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:36:46 +0100 From: "Dave Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry karaoked I remember that certain journalists employed by New Musical Express used to refer to Mr. Ferry as either "El Ferranti", or "Byron Ferrari". Maybe that's your mate picked it up ? Dave. - ----- Original Message ----- From: eRacerX To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:58 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry karaoked > >From salon.com's review: > .... Bob responds with Roxy Music's "More Than This," a song of > Byronically lush romanticism.... > > Funny, my old pal Gerry used to refer to Mr. Ferry as the 'Byron of > Ferrari', > of which I have no idea what he meant. > > here comes Isabel, I am expecting to see an old woman flying by on her > bike... > > - Toto > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:19:56 EDT From: LeeSullivanart@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Foxy Music In a message dated 19/09/2003 11:17:22 GMT Daylight Time, chris.cassidy@staffordshire.gov.uk writes: > Do Avalonians get a discount/back stage passes!!! > > Bedworth's literally just down the road but can't make 23 October. Might > see you at Worcester. Best wishes with the venture. > > PS Is 'Bryan Avalon' the guy who advertised on here a while back asking if > anyone was interested in setting up a tribute band - can't recall his name? > Thanks Chris. Worcester should be groovy - smaller venue than the earlier ones. Hope to see you there. Will ask 'Oor Bryan' if he'll be generous to the Hoards of Avalon. I don't know if he is that guy - but you surely can't be doubting that's his real name ;) ;) ;) Hello - I must be going! Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: www.LeeSullivan.co.uk and definitely http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho won't help either ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:05:40 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album I posted this post on the Paul Thompson site and it stimulated a lot of response and interesting thoughts, I hope it may do something similar here. As it is now 20 years since Roxy recorded together a lot of water has gone under the bridge. In that time Bryan has been free to work with whomever musician he wants to and have complete control over his recordings, he must have a lot of that out of his system. Bryan will have seen on the 2001 tour how essential to his music Phil, Andy & Paul are. He has had a successful solo career and has nothing to prove with the name Bryan Ferry Phil's guitar playing has developed so much due to having a free run at any record he has done in the last 20 years. His performances during the 2001 tour were a million miles ahead of his previous Roxy years and I think not being in Roxy has helped that. Andy has been a bit of a dark horse in that he has not been as public as Phil & Bryan so he must have so much material and ideas that can become 21st century A Song For Europe Paul's drumming is as solid as it ever was but appreciated a lot more. Eno could come in at some point and put some of his Eno'isms that he has done for so many artists in the last 30 years. With all this considered a 21st century Roxy Music would be a sure fire winner. I don't want them to do a new For Your Pleasure or another Avalon either, I would like them to do what men in their late 50s with 30 years experience behind them would do together maintaining originality and innovation. Reunion tours are expected to be embarrassing whereas Roxy Music 2001 broke that rule and was a worthwhile experience that was done with class and style. A new Roxy Music album would carry that class and style on. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:16:58 +0200 From: Robert Vinkenborg Subject: [AVALON] Avalon in Bonn For those who are interested: there is a hotel called Avalon in Bonn. The scene of the concert is not in the old inner city of Bonn. In that area there are not many bars around. You find those in het old center. But there is a good subway (metro) connection to the concert area at the Museum Platz. I could not find this Platz on the Bonn citymap: you will it just besides the Friederich Ebert Allee: a bit south off the city center. I phoned them and was told it was easy to park your car there. So for pre of after party's we should be in the center of Bonn. I got some e-mails from Dutch RM-fans, I ve a short message for them in Dutch. Misschien is het een idee om om rond 13.30 uur af te spreken bij het station en vandaar te kijken of we een leuk kroegie vinden. Cheers to you al: I hope Bryan's back is okay now. RoxyRobert ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:30:19 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Future Tours I would say Bryan Ferry solo and Roxy Music as a band have played UK enough the last 2-3 years and need to release some new material and tour that material with a fresher set of songs from the archives before they can capitalise on a new tour. A lot of die-hards would still go to their local show but I don't think you would find as many travelling as has been the last 2 tours. There are also a lot of 'passing fans' who have seen Bryan Ferry enough recently to satisfy that curiosity so I think some new material either from Bryan or Roxy as a band is needed to stimulate enthusiasm from the ticket buying population. I saw Ferry in July 1999 at the Meltdown festival in London. I did a 1500 mile round trip to see BF perform two Harry Smith songs for 8 minutes. I was happy with that and so were many of the fans I met there. The main reason was that he hadn't performed in UK for over 4 years then and there was no imminent tour announced so that is why we all went. BF is doing the Fashion Rocks thing next month at RAH, I have no real appetite to go as I have seen him so much lately and can predict what he will perform and I don't know of any other fans going. If Bryan's chosen workplace is the live arena for the time being then he has to inject something new to it to keep that workplace alive. A performer needs an audience and that audience could dwindle without some new material in the set along with some alternative archive material too. There has been criticism in some quarters about this and a ticket buying public has that right to do so. Bryan & Roxy seem to have to be protected from any sort of criticism, there are a lot of loyal fans who remain loyal despite the odd bit of criticism now and then. The criticism is usually due to an immense passion for the band and not just a tawdry negative remark. Roxy may have there reasons for the set being so rigid, I can understand that but like any profession, you have to look at how much you can put into that commitment before you take it on. I have to do that in my profession. I can't take every project offered to me as I have to maintain a standard and over commitment will let that standard drop. at least the 2003 dates were mostly in areas not played at all or often in the last 3-4 years. My point now is that if they are going to do anything full scale either Bryan solo or Roxy as a band then they have to do something new, not for me so I can hear some new songs but for themselves for the shows to be anywhere near the success the last 3-4 years have. I have written this as a loyal fan and not to be misinterpreted as a Roxy bashing. Anyone who knows me will know where I write this from. I write from the same place all the time and that doesn't change depending on the surroundings. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:54:36 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album Anybody who knows Leonard Cohen, I would hope to see a new Roxy album as analgous to "I'm Your Man". The quintessential essence with no flab (apart from a couple of duds) in a modern context. Regards, Andrew >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:05:40 EDT > >I posted this post on the Paul Thompson site and it stimulated a lot of >response and interesting thoughts, I hope it may do something similar here. > > As it is now 20 years since Roxy recorded together a lot of water has >gone >under the bridge. > >In that time Bryan has been free to work with whomever musician he wants to >and have complete control over his recordings, he must have a lot of that >out >of his system. Bryan will have seen on the 2001 tour how essential to his >music >Phil, Andy & Paul are. He has had a successful solo career and has nothing >to >prove with the name Bryan Ferry > >Phil's guitar playing has developed so much due to having a free run at any >record he has done in the last 20 years. His performances during the 2001 >tour >were a million miles ahead of his previous Roxy years and I think not being >in >Roxy has helped that. > >Andy has been a bit of a dark horse in that he has not been as public as >Phil >& Bryan so he must have so much material and ideas that can become 21st >century A Song For Europe > >Paul's drumming is as solid as it ever was but appreciated a lot more. > >Eno could come in at some point and put some of his Eno'isms that he has >done >for so many artists in the last 30 years. > >With all this considered a 21st century Roxy Music would be a sure fire >winner. I don't want them to do a new For Your Pleasure or another Avalon >either, I >would like them to do what men in their late 50s with 30 years experience >behind them would do together maintaining originality and innovation. > >Reunion tours are expected to be embarrassing whereas Roxy Music 2001 broke >that rule and was a worthwhile experience that was done with class and >style. A >new Roxy Music album would carry that class and style on. > > >J.O'B. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:00:33 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Future Tours J.O'B wrote: >I saw Ferry in July 1999 at the Meltdown festival in London. I did a 1500 >mile round trip to see BF perform two Harry Smith songs for 8 minutes. I was >happy with that and so were many of the fans I met there. I didn't realise at the time that you'd travelled quite so far - you didn't seem any the worse for it. How fragile Bryan Ferry's future career must have seemed to him before that performance. Not everyone there that evening was impressed by his renditions of those songs, I know, but Ferry got a rousing cheer at the end of each song, with so many people in the audience willing him on, people who just couldn't wait for a comeback. It felt special and I loved it. I'm pretty sure that it was Martin Stockman's note to this list that got me there. I can remember talking to him at the time and meeting up with you, J.O'B. I also remember meeting a music industry consultant or advisor who had recently completed some work for Bryan and had heard Alphaville, which had left little . ("It's okay, but...") He was also completely dismissive of Bryan's stubborn desire to record an album of 1930s covers and had strongly recommended that he instead reform Roxy. I'm glad that his advice was ignored at the time - whatever the reasons - and that things worked out the way they did, with success and confidence slowly building up and only then leading to a Roxy reunion tour. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:01:25 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thoughts on a new Roxy Music album J.O'B. wrote: >I don't want them to do a new For Your Pleasure or another Avalon either, I >would like them to do what men in their late 50s with 30 years experience >behind them would do together maintaining originality and innovation. I was glad to read that. But of course, an album of the type you'd like would disappoint those - and there seem to be many - who equate quality with loudness of voice or intensity of sound. I'm not sure how many other groups have, in the opinion of Roxy Music fans, resumed a long-suspended recording career with the release of an excellent new studio album. I can think of instances where such an attempt has been commercially successful (Fleetwood Mac's Tango in the Night comes to mind) but I can't think of a comeback album I've wanted to buy. >Reunion tours are expected to be embarrassing whereas Roxy Music 2001 broke >that rule and was a worthwhile experience that was done with class >and style. A new Roxy Music album would carry that class and style >on. I've just these last few days been listening to a recently purchased copy of the tour album. I know from the information received on this list that it's heavy with overdubs, after-the-event edits and myriad re-MIDIfication so I don't really take it to be a faithful document of a live performance but it's still an often-beautiful thing and most of it works extremely well. There's definitely something very special there - I hope the remaining Roxy Musicians decide to try recording some entirely new material as a group but I hope also that they wouldn't be afraid to abandon such an attempt if they didn't like what was being recorded. (That would be tough, given the publicity that such an attempt is likely to attract.) Bryan Ferry seems so very different now from the man responsible for three ambitious and little-appreciated gems released between '85 and '94 (and their two edgy companions). He's less ambitious, in many ways. The change may be a return of that confidence and assuredness for which he was often criticised from the mid 70s to the early 80s, when the press expected continual, hard-edged musical experimentation. This time around, this relaxed willingness to aim for lower targets might be better received, particularly with a Roxy Music project. I still hope to one day hear a new Ferry collection that begins where Mamouna left off - I'd settle for a Kruder & Dorfmeister remix of that album meanwhile :-) - but I know it's unlikely to happen any time soon. Once thing's for sure: the idea of something completely new from Roxy Music is much more appealing to me now than it was before the band reformed for that tour. I hope others here feel the same way. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:40:25 EDT From: Brommers1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #264 So, THE GREAT LEE SULLIVAN is part of the Bryan Ferry and Doctor Who worlds. As I realised this I was very,very suprised, thinking that only I could be a fan of both these seemingly strange passions. Are any other people fans of both ? That really would be suprising. Is Bryan Ferry a Docor Who fan ?? If he was, suprise would not be adequate and I would be forced to resort to astonishment !! Niiige NP - Dr Who - Davros Okay, Roxy guys'n'gals - a reminder that our tribute band FOXY-MUSIC are playing Peterborough this Friday evening. This may not be quite the same as Bonn, but it's hugely cheaper! See: www.bryanferrytribute.com for details of this and our other dates. Lee S ____________________________________________ Easily distracted? Displacement activity a problem? Me too. Going to: www.LeeSullivan.co.uk and definitely http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho won't help eith ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:02:15 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #264 In a message dated 19/09/2003 21:47:26 GMT Standard Time, Brommers1@aol.com writes: > Is Bryan Ferry a Docor Who fan ?? If he > was, suprise would not be adequate and I would be forced to resort to > astonishment !! > I think he is. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:09:11 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Doctor Bryan As subscribers to this list will know. Ferry was part of a conglomerate formed to finance a Dr Who movie in the early 1990's who tried to sue the BBC for loss of earnings in the mid 1990s after they reneged on the deal and made their own movie. My understanding is that he was a fan of the show up til its 1980's campness. J n/p Dudley Simpson - 'Pyramids of Mars' So, THE GREAT LEE SULLIVAN is part of the Bryan Ferry and Doctor Who worlds. As I realised this I was very,very suprised, thinking that only I could be a fan of both these seemingly strange passions. Are any other people fans of both ? That really would be suprising. Is Bryan Ferry a Docor Who fan ?? If he was, suprise would not be adequate and I would be forced to resort to astonishment !! Niiige NP - Dr Who - Davros ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #265 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest