From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #222 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 8 2003 Volume 08 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] I thought... ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] [AVALON] Street life [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Potential Names for Reformed Roxy Music [Tim Rothfuss ] Re: [AVALON] I thought... [Bahi ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #221 [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: Fw: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #220 [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill M] [AVALON] Phil and eno (was Re: avalon-digest V8 #220) [Bahi ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:21:47 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] I thought... > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= > but Eno managed to > co-write "I Thought" with Bryan Ferry on Frantic so perhaps that is a sign > that they can work together. Actually, Bryan Ferry added his name to the credits of a song that Eno presented to him. In a recent interview, Eno said he "gave" Ferry that song, and I'm more likely to believe him as he has no reason to crow about collaborations, whereas Ferry plugs them to death to latch on to someone else's credibility (note the adverts for Frantic boasting of Jonny Greenwood's contribution). SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:51:43 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Street life is one of the songs included on the free CD with September's Uncut magazine. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Rothfuss Subject: [AVALON] Potential Names for Reformed Roxy Music 1. The New Explorers (aka Manzanera & Mackay & Ferry) 2. Roxy Starship 3. The Beach Boys Sorry, I'm kind of tired and punchy today. Tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:09:20 +0100 From: Subject: [AVALON] New Material ? Why all the negative talk of new Roxy material, After all the recent Roxy / Ferry tours, whether badly promoted or managed ?. It was fantastic to see them again, refreshed and vibrant, Some great shows some not ?. surely every band can have there of nights. After going to several shows in the last couple of years and listening to the songs that made Roxy our favourite band and had us clamouring for more, Just hoping they would get together and give us some fresh material to go with the greats, Its been 25 years since these songs were penned and they still come across with the new line-ups better than all the junk we get nowadays, Times have changed, Bryans voice has matured ?, ( for lack of a better word) Phil , Andy, T G P T and the new Roxy members. Sometimes hard to tell the time span, it was that good, sometimes a slight difference, and dare I say some better some not so good, Would Eno collaborate on new material, a new studio album, do we really care ( here comes the flack), I am sure the Eno touch would make a difference, but how much ?. If a studio Album was recorded with Chris, Lucy, Julia & Colin etc , whom all did a great job with Roxy, The writing skills of Bryan , Phil & Andy, the power of T G P T. , I am sure it would be a worthwhile Album and perhaps in time rival or dare I say surpass what we seem to class as the good old days, never to be achieved again. Perhaps 10 new tracks. with Bryan , Andy and Phil Getting a solo slot each and 7 brand new Roxy collaborations ( I wish). A Fully promoted/ managed world tour, Nothing ventured Nothing Gained ( a new name for the album perhaps) Will we be saying in 2015, they cant do new material, it will ruin there name from the 2003 masterpiece ? The old days are always the best, and things are not as good as they used to be, how many times in life do we here that. Alan SACD its even better than vinyl ? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:19:44 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] I thought... "SIMON GALLOWAY" wrote: >Actually, Bryan Ferry added his name to the credits of a song that Eno >presented to him. In a recent interview, Eno said he "gave" Ferry that song, >and I'm more likely to believe him as he has no reason to crow about >collaborations I've been wondering about the very different accounts of this song's creation. Much of the lyric sounds very Enoesque, as several of us thought on first hearing it but Ferry was quoted in another interview (describing his trip to see Eno in St Petersburg) as saying he went off to work on the lyric on his own after collaborating with Eno on the song. I'd be surprised if the entire lyric as we hear it now were by Eno but I agree that Ferry was probably presented a complete version of the song, not the simple loop that has generally been assumed. As for crowing about collaborations, perhaps Eno's just much, much better at it. Far more subtle, for sure. Many journalists had assumed that the song was, as with most Ferry writing collaborations, a Ferry lyric and melody on top of his collaborator's chord progression till Brian made the very clear, unambiguous comment that you mention. (If we're referring to the same interview, the one in which Eno included the above as part of a sentence praising Ferry's recording and claiming that it was better than anything he'd have been able to do on his own - again, with the clear implication that Ferry just recorded one of his songs.) My guess it that this was no casual aside - - it was a polite and firm attempt to set the record straight. I've noticed many similar, seemingly casual and very successful attempts by Eno to set the record straight when it came to the extent of his input on other collaborations. No doubt someone has put the original interviews online, for those who haven't read them. And perhaps someone reading this knows the truth about the song's creation and would like to comment? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:51:32 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #221 Edwin, hi. I took a few minutes before I started working to glance at your photos. A fabulous collection. I especially enjoyed viewing the black & whites- nice change from the norm. I have some photos from Madison Square Garden, NYC 2002 which I've not posted yet. Guess it's never too late. Great job! Regards, Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:41 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #220 In article , daniel.atterbom@odata.se (Daniel Atterbom) wrote: > Why should he? It's 30 years since Eno was kicked out the band. The last > time he was with Roxy Music he was singing back-up vocals. > > If Eno participates I would be as surprised as if Bill Clinton is > elected > to a third term as US president. :-) This is a purely personal commment so please don't read anything more into it than that. Brian has worked with both Bryan and Phil in recent months. Whether this may help 'break the ice' I don't know but at least the connections have been made. However, on the RM album front, first commitment AFAIK is Bryan's to his new album. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:09:50 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: [AVALON] Phil and eno (was Re: avalon-digest V8 #220) Bill McCormick wrote: >This is a purely personal commment so please don't read anything more into >it than that. Brian has worked with both Bryan and Phil in recent months. I read in the Uncut inteview that Phil and Eno worked together recently; was this for a Robert Wyatt project, Bill, or for something else? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:05:00 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Phil and Eno (was Re: avalon-digest V8 #220) At 17.41 +0100 03-08-07, Bill MacCormick wrote: >This is a purely personal commment so please don't read anything more into >it than that. Brian has worked with both Bryan and Phil in recent months. > Whether this may help 'break the ice' I don't know but at least the >connections have been made. > >However, on the RM album front, first commitment AFAIK is Bryan's to his >new album. Bill and all, if a Roxy music re-union with Eno takes place, I'll be thrilled to hear the result. I hope that mr MacCormick playes bass. NP Robbie Williams & Nicole Kidman, Something's stupid Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:19:15 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I thought... (forming hypotheses) I must admit I probably haven't read the Eno interview you mentioned, but personally, I don't think Eno has written the lyric to 'I Thought' on his own. Rather I'd say it's a Ferry lyric with music which might have been written exclusively by Eno. When you look at the topic and the 'streetcar named desire' metaphor, it's much more up Ferry's alley than Eno's, whose way of writing lyrics has been well-documented in interviews. The question is of course: what does Eno refer to as 'the song': an instrumental track with a wordless vocal on top? Some fragments? Although the chord sequence is a bit FYP-ish, it might have been composed by Eno (since he also contributed Omnichord and probably the acoustic guitar in the background, plus - of course - synths and backing vox); but then, I have read that Ferry & Eno had worked on IT when the former had visited the latter in St. Petersburg. Actually, although I think it's a lovely lyric, it sounds a bit to me as if Ferry might have consciously decided to draw the 'cultural name-dropping' card, with that Tennessee Williams play title in it, but then that might have been suggested by Eno's and Schmidt's Oblique Strategies, huh? Christian NP: Labradford ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:14:54 +0200 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] I thought... (forming hypotheses) Christian H. Soetemann wrote; >The question is of course: what does Eno refer to as 'the song': an >instrumental track with a wordless vocal on top? Some fragments? Something about the words themselves is reminiscent of Eno imagery, it seems, and I mentioned this on first hearing Frantic. (I'm thinking of the songs on Wrong Way Up, NerveNet and previously unreleased stuff on the vocal box set.) Subsequent Ferry interviews made me think otherwise. However, if the recent Eno interview that Simon referred to (earlier in this thread) is the one I also read, it was notable for the very pointed way in which Eno described how he had written a song and Ferry had recorded it. No mention of co-writing, hence Simon's comment. In fact, Brian mentioned all this while talking about his writing songs solely for others to record. In the context, it would appear that he was talking about a complete song and not just a simple loop. >Although the chord sequence is a bit FYP-ish, it might have been >composed by Eno The basic chord sequence, the loop - without doubt, largely or all Eno's. Plough through Eno's 90s output (particularly things like The River on Wrong Way Up, as noticed by several subscribers) and you're left in no doubt about that. The treatment is very Ferry, though. I realise that this discussion is unlikely to usefully continue without access to at least the Eno interview. I can't even remember whether I read it online or in print. An earlier Ferry interview, in which Bryan specifically mentioned going off on his own to work on the lyric after he and Brian had worked together on the song, would make for a useful counterpoint. Can anyone help with a pointer to the articles in question? A couple of quick Google searches using fragments that I could remember from the interviews turned up lots of interesting things, most of which belong on the Eno list, but not the interviews themselves. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #222 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest