From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #216 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft ["Gemini Moon" ] [AVALON] globe and mail toronto review ["S.J.Batie" ] [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Lucy Wilkins [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft...can you dig it bro.? [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] detroit gig ["mark shanahan" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:57:27 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft At 22.59 -0500 03-07-30, James Wells wrote: >Okay, now that I've offended everyone on the list, please understand that I'm >angry, but it's not directed at any of you. James, I am not offended. There are a lot more in this world that offends me. The US is a very regulated country with anti-trust legislation so something can be done about the problem. I seldom attend concerts these days and when I do, I do it in the line of work. Personally, the set lists of 2003 remind me of the setlists of 2001 and therefore, save money and buy the *****,as in five stars in Uncut, live cd instead. :-) Ferry producer Nile Rodgers led a modern Chic to crowd ecstacy at the Stockholm jazz festival I read in my, for Sweden, conservative paper. The reviewer noting that Chic was not nearly getting as much copy as Springsteen and the Stones also visiting this summer with Chic, in his view, being more intresting and trendsetting. I for one would have attended Chic if I had to make a choise between the three. Fourtunally living in the country to choise do not apply to me, the paraphrase Dexy's midnight rounders on yet another comeback. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:07:52 +0100 From: Subject: [AVALON] ROXY POSTERS U.S.A. Hi All Any Kind person Able to Send me Posters of Siren / Country life from the U.S.A. tour. Lucky people getting to see Roxy this year And able to get one of the best Album cover posters ( Country Life ). Has There been a vote on the Best Roxy Posters ( Album Covers) if not my top Three Are. 1. Stranded ( huge version) 2. Country Life 3. Roxy Music With Flesh & Blood a close 3= if FYP had a Album Cover Poster it would probably have won. anyone know why this one was missed out ?. Was it the Mirrors were made instead ? Hope you all enjoy the Tour over the big pond. Alan Robertson (Scotland) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:02:34 +0100 From: "Gemini Moon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft You are certainly right about offending everyone,you can rant and rave all you want about the price of tickets and Clear Channel and ticketmaster ect...but there is no excuse for such an offensive joke. >From: James Wells >To: avalon@smoe.org . > >And yet the most pressing issue on the Avalon list seems to be, what to >wear to the >show!! So I went to my local tailor and asked what was appropriate to wear >to >one's own rape? His response, of course, was "nothing." > >Okay, now that I've offended everyone on the list... > >James > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:12:28 +0100 From: "S.J.Batie" Subject: [AVALON] globe and mail toronto review http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030730/ROXY30// ?query=roxy+music ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:16:50 -0500 From: James Wells Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft Gemini ... again, I apologize, but please understand that the "joke" was an analogy. There are many ways in which "rape" can occur; the rape of the environment by drilling for oil in Alaskan wilderness ... the "rape" of a culture by an invading force ... and the financial "rape" of trusting and vulnerable fans. If you took the use of the word literally, then indeed it is offensive ... and it's a joke I would never make. In all fairness, I wish to report that I received an email response from WXRT in Chicago. They brought my email "concerns" to the promoter, and informed me that the Tweeter Center would be "draped off" tonight, reducing it's seating capacity to approximately 6,000. Hopefully, all this ranting and raving will cause a re-examination of promotion of future events. WXRT, for it's part, has proven to be very responsive to their listeners and deserves credit for the manner in which they do business. Sincerely, James Gemini Moon wrote: > You are certainly right about offending everyone,you can rant and rave all > you want about the price of tickets and Clear Channel and ticketmaster > ect...but there is no excuse for such an offensive joke. > > >From: James Wells > >To: avalon@smoe.org > . > > > >And yet the most pressing issue on the Avalon list seems to be, what to > >wear to the > >show!! So I went to my local tailor and asked what was appropriate to wear > >to > >one's own rape? His response, of course, was "nothing." > > > >Okay, now that I've offended everyone on the list... > > > >James > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:50:38 EDT From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft James, I think we can all agree that media conglomerates give us a headache, and that in many ways the careers of Roxy/Ferry have not been benfited by decisions made by their management here in the U. S. But bad management decions aside, I am still a huge fan. When they come around, I am going to see them. And I want to sit in one of the front rows. After trying to get good seats through Ticketmaster (already pricey, with all their "service charges"), I will then head to EBay or a ticket broker and pay double or even triple face-value because someone else was quicker or more connected, and got the primo seats ahead of me. I honestly don't mind paying that much. I wouldn't pay that much to see any other artist or group. For example I paid $70 for my seats to see Steely Dan in August. They are good seats, just not the primo seats. I don't care if I see the facial expressions of Becker and Fagen.....(-; And I am one of those people who also cares very much what I wear to the show, but that doesn't make me an airhead....I just simply think of a Roxy/Ferry concert as an event. The people who discuss what they're going to wear onlist are doing so for the benefit of others onlist who are their personal friends. It's a positive thing and shows enthusiasm. Don't let it bother you. I hope Roxy/Ferry's management smartens up and, in this country at least, puts them in more intimate 2000-3000 seat venues with good acoustics, hopefully with no concession stand. So every seat has a good view and good sound. They will then fill the venue, and it will make more economic sense as well as setting an encouraging tone for all present. Do the math : 3000 seats at, say, $90 is the same as 6000 seats at $45 except to the ticket agency and their pesky per-ticket "convenience charges". So you tell me who's pressuring artists to go into a larger venue..... Obviously putting them in these huge venues (based on ticket sales in Britain and Europe, no doubt) was a mistake. And so they had all these unsold seats, and have offered this 2-for-1 special. I don't honestly think there's anything wrong with putting things on sale when they aren't moving, they do it in retail all the time. I appreciate it when a store will refund the difference if you bring in your receipt within a week, or whatever, but not all will...nor are they obligated to. Those who purchased their tickets early got their money's worth...they got seats in the frontmost sections, and they had the satisfaction of having their tickets in their hands and the ability to plan weeks ahead to attend. It's better for everyone if the seats are filled, and having people pay $35 instead of $70, for example, is still not "chump change"....and look on the bright side, now people can afford to bring their kids, or friends who aren't yet committed fans. I think the entire music industry is going to take a huge hit, what with Napster (or Kazaa), MP3s, CD-Rs, and pay-per-view for concerts. Lots of things are going to change....it will be interesting to watch. Lottie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, James Wells wrote: > Jeff Turner wrote: > > > "Your experience with almost as good seats being sold later at a > > substantial discount no doubt felt like a rip, but I can't imagine it > > was illegal." > > Jeff, you may be right concerning the legality of the situation, > however, youv, however if you can show a consistent pattern that > indicates premeditation, then perhaps a charge of "price-gouging" could > be brought against Clear Channel. I think you could easily establish > that Clear Channel knew in advance based on attendence statistics this > summer, and the attendance figures from Roxy's 2001 tour, that they > WOULD NOT sell-out the chosen venues for this mini-tour. Rather than > pricing the tickets at a fair market value, Clear Channel slapped a > premium price on seats knowing: 1) the hardcore Roxy fans would pay the > price in an attempt to obtain the best seat possible, and 2) they had > the "reduced price ticket" strategy, waiting in the wings. Welcome to the marketplace. You can either pay a premium price for a good or service which is presumed scarce or you can wait for the price to perhaps drop. Or not. Our seats for my vacation were $800 each; many people on the plane bought at the last minute and paid $300. It's simply supply and demand, and sometimes it means you pay more for the bird in hand. There's no grounds for a lawsuit. Colleen (just back from a week in Bermuda and without the least bit of regret at missing the NY Roxy shows) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:59:58 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Lucy Wilkins On reading the liner notes of the latest Tindersticks offering "Waiting for the moon" I noted that Lucy Wilkins is credited for playing violin (amongst loads of other people). Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:22:54 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft...can you dig it bro.? In a message dated 31/07/03 22:01:30 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > Colleen (just back from a week in Bermuda and without the least bit of > regret at missing the NY Roxy shows) > > WOW....Yeeeeehaaaaa,That's really cool dude, way to go Colleen, dunk those sonofabitches, etc. etc. etc. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I hope BF/ Roxy never set foot in your clueless country again. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:38:20 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] detroit gig well ... in spite of the setlist, etc. - i have to say, i did enjoy the gig in detroit this past tuesday evening. that is, obviously, the stuff of greatness - i.e. - RMRM, VP, EOY, BOB, & still DtS, of course. i was honestly staring at the ceiling during Avalon, JG & DA, amongst others. same setlist as radio city/toronto. band sounded very good, very tight. louise peacock is absolutely not lucy wilkins ... and should remind everyone *what* a find lucy was. peacock even lost string contact during OOB! ouch. michelle john-douglas & sharon white - the backup singers - are an improvement. i couldn't help thinking how much they would indeed add to a tour with a real setlist. very impressive, though way over the top on - i believe it was 'dreamhome'. spedding seemed that he might have had a longer leash this time around ... and evidently has logged enough time on tour that he didn't have to wait for *the ferry nod*. one thing that struck me [in an almost odd way] was the way that ferry was really pouring himself into SfE. like he'd sung it for the first time. another was how bloody awful 'FYP' sounded. none of the ... cascading *majesty* that that fine piece of work is aptly capable of producing. what a pity! colin good even turned - what? - the reverb so far down it sounded like it had come to a screeching halt (symptomatic?). no detail paid to this song - kind of like the tour, i suppose. overall ... as much as i want to see roxy with practically any setlist ... i think [as someone who cares about the music], i really have to say that i think they shouldn't have even thought about touring at all. unless this is a springboard to some recording sessions [that will result in new material]. and i can't help but think that this tour was somehow a done deal with the contract signed in '01. or ferry doesn't want to get back to life on terra firma - not just yet. to have gone about it like this, though ... the excitment was gone, gone, gone. and now i'm wondering if that was the last note i'm going to hear from these gentlemen - at least live ... big question now: what's next for roxy & ferry??? great to see everyone, btw!! never enough time and always seems like it's a big rush, but still great. ms p.s. to quote the toronto star: "The return of singer Bryan Ferry and company last night to the Molson Amphitheatre couldn't muster the sense of occasion that marked its reunion concert at the Air Canada Centre two years ago." _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #216 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest