From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #212 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, July 28 2003 Volume 08 : Number 212 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] GRAZIE :) [thebogusman@interfree.it ()] [AVALON] Setlist from Radio City [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft ["Jeff Turner" ] [AVALON] Radio City! [DEAGLERR@aol.com] [AVALON] This Love ["Jas" ] Re: [AVALON] This Love ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] TGPT? ["Sjaak Versluis" ] [AVALON] Set List [Bruce MacQueen ] [AVALON] Toronto Pre-show ["Helen Thorpe" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft [James Wells ] Re: [AVALON] Radio City! ["Kelly Weinberger" ] [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft ["SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft It is frustrating to have to pay thru the nose to see a band you like, especially when you know that some large percentage of your price is going to people other than the band. And yes, Ticketmaster's fees, always an annoyance, have gotten outrageous. Yet I still pay them, as for me to drive a 300 mile round trip to Chicago to buy tickets (then 300 mi round trip to see the concert) just isn't practical. Your experience with almost as good seats being sold later at a substantial discount no doubt felt like a rip, but I can't imagine it was illegal. Ticketmaster has certainly done far worse things in the past, like sold me a much higher price ticket that was supposed to include a souvenir package to be picked up on arrival, yet when I got to the venue, no one there knew anything about it. Followup calls to Ticketmaster produced only the runaround from their typical dumb-as-a-stump phone agents. It comes down to this: the only control we have over circumstances is the decision to go or not go. Pearl Jam tried suing Ticketmaster and our pathetic Justice Dept. fumbled the ball badly. Pearl Jam also tried doing a tour without using Ticketmaster, and I guess that didn't turn out too well. Bottom line is, unless somebody tells George Bush that Ticketmaster has Weapons of Mass Destruction, they're here to stay. It would be nice to be able to see Roxy Music at a good venue at a fair price (ie, one where it was going to the band and not some evil empire). However, the way I look at it is...I'm getting to see Roxy Music. I first got into them right after their post-Avalon breakup and for 18 years, I "worshiped them from afar" w/no hope of ever seeing them perform. Then came 2001 and their reunion world tour and I actually got to see them. I was thrilled as I hadn't been over a concert in over 20 years. And I looked on it as pretty much a once-in-a-lifetime thing. But now their touring again. And whatever the circumstances--they're greedy, Ticketmaster is greedy, whatever--as long as I can actually afford to go, I count myself lucky. (Especially after spending over $400 to put new alternator and battery in my car yesterday, the Roxy ticket price doesn't seem too bad.) Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is try to forget the circumstances and just enjoy the show, otherwise it will be an even more raw deal. Best wishes, Jeff Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:46:15 -0500 From: James Wells Subject: [AVALON] The Chicago Shaft As this is my first post to the list, let me start by saying, I LOVE this band, period. But I did deliberate for days when tickets went on sale in June, as $72 is rather steep for a seat in a concrete canyon. Eventually, the music and passion won out over economic common sense. On July 23rd I received a newsletter from WXRT (co-sponsor of the Chicago show) announcing a Roxy ticket give-a-way, and special ticket sale for "WXRT VIP's" (that's anyone on their mailing list) starting the following morning at 10a.m. The seats, located in their special VIP section would sell for $15 each! I fired off an email to WXRT asking for an explanation, and have received no response, to date. So I went to the TicketMaster site to check out these special seats ... punched in the VIP password .... and pulled up two tickets located directly behind and two rows up, from the tickets I'm holding. Grand total for these "special seats": $40.70 Grand total for the "full price" tickets purchased in June: $173.40. (The TicketMaster "convenience charge" for what are practically the same seats has dropped from $19.70 for the tickets I purchased in June, down to $6.80 for the "special seats". But imagine, I'm receiving three times the convenience!!) I'm not an insider, but it seems rather obvious that the advance sale must be pathetic, so a plan was hatched in a desperate attempt to cut their losses, while allowing Roxy's most loyal fans to do the financial heavy lifting. I wouldn't be surprised to find the fingerprints of the promoter, Clear Channel, all over this mess, with WXRT nothing but a co-conspirator under heavy duress. In over 30 years of concert-going, I've experienced my share of horror stories, but this one is the deal-breaker. To that end, are there any attorney's out there who can advise as to whether there is anything of an illegal nature in this situation (price gouging, use of a "loss leader") that would provide basis for a class action suit? Are there any Roxy fans sitting in the same sinking boat willing to make Clear Channel (?) accountable? It breaks my heart that Roxy Music is connected to this mess. Moreover, their concert which I've anticipated with great joy, I no longer even care to attend, and that's the saddest part of the story. James _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:18:36 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Radio City! A great time was had by most. At least that seemed to be the feeling among us stage-door-Johnnies. after the gig. In the front of the hall the sound was bass heavy echo-y and muffled. But I've heard a raw (partial, darn it) recording that sounds better than I remember the show. So maybe it was the location. Perhaps the balconies got the good sound? The variable on the setlist seems to be Dreamhome vs. TTOIA. AND why not open with thr Rockettes instead of a dreary folk duo? (originally the Roxyettes, after impresario Roxy Rothafel. who all those theaters were named after, hence our fave band) The Dancing Waters or the Mighty Wurlitzer would have been more fun. The hall looked IMACULATE after the recent renovation. Truly a marvel. Donald Desky would be proud. A few standers, but no standing on seats, thank Godess. The folks at the meet up were great fun. Some I'd met from the frantic shows last year, some new faces to familiar screen names. I had brought some "Hi My Name IS" badges, which got some harumphs, from the assembled. As well as fake names. Gail needs to tell all as to her backstage antics. Rumors of Bowie and Moby at the party. Only Mr. McKay, Ferry and Manzanara come out thru the stage door where we were waiting patiently among the boxes & roadies. Phil showed up while I was hailing a cab for M. Then I couldn't find my pen. Mrs. Manzanara was quite tickled by my "please waits", while emptying my bag on the street, for the autograph. Bet he doesn't get that sort of deferential treatment at home. And yes Lottie I did get your Ferry pic signed! More carousing at the Pig & Whistle & then home. I left one of our number at the Times Square Mickey-Ds No rest for the wicked I suppose. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:57:32 -0500 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] This Love While watching the soap opera One Life to Live (ABC in the US folks) on Friday, during the seduction/rape/murder ( not sure which it will be- will have to wait for Monday's episode) of Gabrielle Medina by Doctor Troy, the music in the background was This Love. No, this was not Bryan's version but it was a women singing it. The arrangement was the same. Does anyone know who this could have been? For the US Avalonians, if you have cable and Soap Net Channel ( Channel 79(RCN Cable) for the Chicago fans) the episode will be repeated tonight at 10 pm CST. I think they will also repeat later in early AM. Hope to see you all at the World.. er... the Tweeter Center on Thursday. I will come dressed. There could be "bubbly" before the show :))) Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:32:58 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] This Love I guess it's the original by Greg Armstrong with Cocteau Twin Elizabeth Fraser on vocals. It's from the album The Space Between. Cheers Han Jas asked > While watching the soap opera One Life to Live (ABC in the US folks) on > Friday, during the seduction/rape/murder ( not sure which it will be- will > have to wait for Monday's episode) of Gabrielle Medina by Doctor Troy, the > music in the background was This Love. No, this was not Bryan's version but > it was a women singing it. The arrangement was the same. Does anyone know who > this could have been? > Jas > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:59:59 +0200 From: "Sjaak Versluis" Subject: [AVALON] TGPT? On the net I found some CD's/LP's with Paul Thompson on drums. 1. Gary Moore - "Run For Cover" 2. Darryl Read - "Collectomatic Vol.1" 3. Split Enz & Beyond - "Other Enz" 4. Chris East - "Hotel In The Country" 5. Exile - "Exile" 6. Ronn Hill - "Ron Up The Hill" Is this TGPT or another drummer with the same name? Does someone had the full discography of "our" Paul? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:15:09 -0400 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Set List NO MOTHER OF PEARL - AGAIN?!!!??!?!? I've been robbed once again and the Toronto concert isn't even until tomorrow night!!! Say it ain't so! Waaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best Regards, Bruce - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:40:28 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Toronto Pre-show For any Southern Ontario/Western New York fans attending the Toronto show... Seems we are casually getting together on the only patio currently in Ontario Place in the early evening. I gather it's somewhere by the Cinesphere. If you've missed previous posts/digests... here's my cell number again 905-512-4158. Now with Voice-mail! See y'all tomorrow! H ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:53:35 -0500 From: James Wells Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft Jeff Turner wrote: > "Your experience with almost as good seats being sold later at a substantial > discount no doubt felt like a rip, but I can't imagine it was illegal." Jeff, you may be right concerning the legality of the situation, however, youv, however if you can show a consistent pattern that indicates premeditation, then perhaps a charge of "price-gouging" could be brought against Clear Channel. I think you could easily establish that Clear Channel knew in advance based on attendence statistics this summer, and the attendance figures from Roxy's 2001 tour, that they WOULD NOT sell-out the chosen venues for this mini-tour. Rather than pricing the tickets at a fair market value, Clear Channel slapped a premium price on seats knowing: 1) the hardcore Roxy fans would pay the price in an attempt to obtain the best seat possible, and 2) they had the "reduced price ticket" strategy, waiting in the wings. The second half of the charge is tough to prove, except that it's happened across the board; in Toronto, Detroit, Chicago and Los Angeles. I'm not sure about the two New York shows. And don't forget that the original premium price helps keep their friends in the ticket broker business happy - (Row A, Sec 103 - $245 ea., Row B Sec 103 $230 ea., Row A Sec 104 $215 ... and so on). Am I really the only one on this list that is sick and tired being abused by the greed merchants and is ready to fight? James ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:02:49 +0000 From: "Kelly Weinberger" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Radio City! See - I KNEW they'd come out if I left! At least I was able to sacrifice myself for the good of the group. Did anyone hear any more about the Moby/Bowie rumor? Yes, Gail, let us know how your evening ended up - and anyone else who got to chat them up after the show please share for the rest of us deprived souls. It was great to meet everyone last night - sorry we got to the Pig & Whistle so late. Take care - Kelly (still in the NYC area, getting ready to head back to MN) >From: DEAGLERR@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Radio City! >Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:18:36 EDT > >A great time was had by most. >At least that seemed to be the feeling among us stage-door-Johnnies. >after the gig. >In the front of the hall the sound was bass heavy echo-y and muffled. >But I've heard a raw (partial, darn it) recording that sounds better than I >remember the show. >So maybe it was the location. >Perhaps the balconies got the good sound? > >The variable on the setlist seems to be Dreamhome vs. TTOIA. > >AND why not open with thr Rockettes instead of a dreary folk duo? >(originally the Roxyettes, after impresario Roxy Rothafel. who all those >theaters were named after, hence our fave band) >The Dancing Waters or the Mighty Wurlitzer would have been more fun. > >The hall looked IMACULATE after the recent renovation. >Truly a marvel. >Donald Desky would be proud. >A few standers, but no standing on seats, thank Godess. > >The folks at the meet up were great fun. >Some I'd met from the frantic shows last year, some new faces to familiar >screen names. >I had brought some "Hi My Name IS" badges, which got some harumphs, from >the >assembled. >As well as fake names. > >Gail needs to tell all as to her backstage antics. > >Rumors of Bowie and Moby at the party. >Only Mr. McKay, Ferry and Manzanara come out thru the stage door where we >were waiting patiently among the boxes & roadies. >Phil showed up while I was hailing a cab for M. Then I couldn't find my >pen. >Mrs. Manzanara was quite tickled by my "please waits", while emptying my >bag >on the street, for the autograph. >Bet he doesn't get that sort of deferential treatment at home. >And yes Lottie I did get your Ferry pic signed! > >More carousing at the Pig & Whistle & then home. >I left one of our number at the Times Square Mickey-Ds >No rest for the wicked I suppose. >Regards, R Deagle > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: [AVALON] Radio City I finally saw Bryan Ferry and the Roxy band live in concert. I was in seat 601 - DD, got a front line view of the back up singers. Wish Mr. Ferry visited my clear view of the stage more often. Thinking back, I wish I had more nerve to go up to the stage. A man that sat one seat in front of me kept telling the young man that did go up to the stage to move or kneel down so he could see. In my opinion, I was expecting a little more enthusiam from the New York crowd. Toward the end of the show, many people where up from their seats and dancing - I was dancing in the aisle. I think that if the audience showed alittle more enthusiam, Mr. Ferry and the other band members would of interacted with the crowd, or at least come closer to the edge of the stage. I thought the crowd was going to be like the DVD I saw of Roxy at the Apollo theatre in London. In my opinion, the audience was very tame. I made the pilgrimage to New York [ for the first time ] via New Jersey transit, eventually found my way out Penns Station, caught a cab [ almost literaly ] and finally made it to my first Roxy show. Guess I expected everyone else to be excited as I was, But then New Yorkers have probably seen it all done it all! These Jersey bum-keen can't wait for the next time Roxy performs in New York! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:37:41 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Chicago Shaft > From: James Wells > > To that end, are there any attorney's out there who can advise as to > whether there is anything of an illegal nature in this situation (price > gouging, use of a "loss leader") that would provide basis for a class > action suit? Are there any Roxy fans sitting in the same sinking boat > willing to make Clear Channel (?) accountable? Maybe take a look at this... www.ClearChannelSucks.org "ClearChannelSucks.org is a free speech website dedicated to educating the public about entertainment giant Clear Channel. Clear Channel owns over 1,200 radio stations and 37 television stations, with investments in 240 radio stations globally, and Clear Channel Entertainment (aka SFX, one of their more well-known subsidiaries) owns and operates over 200 venues nationwide. They are in 248 of the top 250 radio markets, controlling 60% of all rock programming. They outright own the tours of musicians like Janet Jackson, Aerosmith, Pearl Jam, Madonna and N'Sync. They own the network which airs Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Casey Kasem, and the Fox Sports Radio Network. With 103,000,000 listeners in the U.S. and 1,000,000,000 globally (1/6 of the world population), this powerful company has grown unchecked, using their monopoly to control the entire music industry. If you find this alarming, ClearChannelSucks.org is the place for you." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #212 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest