From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #200 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 08 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Im Back! (RE: "Inappropriate Behaviour" and "Live CD") [chris.cl] [AVALON] Re: Behavior [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Behavior [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Behaviour [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Portugal [Jane Fraser ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Behavior [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Behaviour/Mines a pint/ohhhh I've seen Bryan Ferry in public! [K] Re: [AVALON] Love/War redux [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Behaviour/Mines a pint/ohhhh I've seen Bryan Ferry in public! [KB Porter ] [AVALON] 2001 or 2003 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Behaviour [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Toronto - in all it's glory ["Helen Thorpe" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:37:58 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Im Back! (RE: "Inappropriate Behaviour" and "Live CD") Subject: Re:Inappropriate behaviour! From: Dave Taylor The question is, why would a man who values his privacy with such passion visit a PUBLIC house - on successive days ? Of course, we're all aware there ain't no such thing as bad publicity............. - -------------------------------------------- I can't help but wonder if would rather have overheard the ladies say, "Didn't he used to be Bryan Ferry?" Judy - -------------------------------------------- Wowie and a double helping of zowie! It appears Ive missed a whole bunch of stuff while on holiday in Portugal! So whats our Bryan been up to then? I cant get the jist from the posts above (visiting a public house on consecutive days? whats new there then... public convenience and i might be worried!) an is it really for the Avalon list to start moralising... ('couse it is - LET'S HAVE IT!).... Anyway - the Live CD... I relented and bought it whilst on holiday thus providing a bit of music round the pool of the villa (standards of living rising by the moment!) and something to sup my Baileys to and y'know it's not all bad as it goes to the point Id say it serves as a great Best Of (without milking fans for the same old same old again) and also provides great renditions of some of the material - now granted More Than This sounds dreadful in its new key and If There Is Something is missing... well, the tempo changes from Viva (much more dramatic and involving) - somewhat bland just plodding along but there are some great moments - Now I understand the process of redoing vocals etc (or a bit of patching up) and it has to be said that Mr Ferry was working overtime on this one (compare to the DVD or any bootleg!) but having said that it makes for a better listen (even my missus can stomach it and she HATES 'em!) - Has to be said though the main bones of the albums success rests on two guys - - Manzanera and Thompson whos at times lethal playing does rescue some of the material from the sludgy place some refored bands tend to drift (where the songs are so clean and sanitized you caould eat yer dinner off em)- Ladytron in particular is in top form... gets an 8 out of ten from me after listening - though I would say the Viva versions of OOTB and BEB are yet to be beaten in any setting.... Anyway - hope everyones in good shape and shame to hear about Hyde Park (hahahaha if I cant go you cant either!) - All the best Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:37:12 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Behavior If Bryan sits in a public restaurant & 3 ladies come up to him he so what he knew when he walked in he wouldn't be alone.It's when the ladies don't notice him that he should worry!!! If they came to his home then that would be an invasion of privacy(unless he invited them).---The women didn't do anymore than what fans do.No different than waiting by back doors for him to come out to get a pic. or autograph. Marlana......................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:46:41 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Behavior In a message dated 15/07/2003 10:38:29 GMT Daylight Time, MarlanaK@webtv.net writes: > If Bryan sits in a public restaurant & 3 ladies come up to him he so > what he knew when he walked in he wouldn't be alone.It's when the ladies > don't notice him that he should worry!!! If they came to his home then > that would be an invasion of privacy(unless he invited them).---The > women didn't do anymore than what fans do.No different than waiting by > back doors for him to come out to get a pic. or autograph. > I do think it is different. Just because you are famous you should not have to resort to being a recluse and never go anywhere. Waiting for an autograph after the show is part of the show, and something that is expected of the artist, and something that the artist knows is expected of him. It is a totally different setting. But if you go somewhere not connected with your career, ie to a pub, I think it is only polite to leave the artist alone, or at least be more discreet in the approach if you must approach them. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 06:29:55 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Behaviour Hear hear Marlana. And whoever suggested buying him a drink is mad. After buying the Avalon SACD cd, who can bloody afford to do that? J If Bryan sits in a public restaurant & 3 ladies come up to him he so what he knew when he walked in he wouldn't be alone.It's when the ladies don't notice him that he should worry!!! If they came to his home then that would be an invasion of privacy(unless he invited them).---The women didn't do anymore than what fans do.No different than waiting by back doors for him to come out to get a pic. or autograph. Marlana ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:30:47 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] Portugal For those who haven't seen it yet, Bill MacCormick has written an account of Roxy's trip to Portugal over at manzanera.com. Thanks Bill - however your tantalising us with snippets of the set list closely resembles your sadistic raffle ticket drawing techniques! Some great photos too. Who is the new singer? I thought it was going to be Michelle John Douglas again. Also - JO'B has the full set list now. Greetings to all who I was hoping to see at Hyde Park tomorrow...... Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:22:49 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Behavior "If Bryan sits in a public restaurant & 3 ladies come up to him he so what he knew when he walked in he wouldn't be alone.It's when the ladies don't notice him that he should worry!!! " Well... If Bryan Ferry sits in a public restaurant and three ladies come up to him, I think he should only worry if they are brandishing gleaming weapons and are simultaneously muttering the phrase "Cheeky Chimps Chomp Cheap Chop Suey" in rapid succession! ;) Kidding aside, this issue is much like the 'to stand or not to stand at a concert' issue .... there probably is no 'right or wrong' answer in the gray area. The 'gray area' is necessarily governed by common sense coupled with common courtesy: Of course, if the ladies did something on the 'extreme' side of things, such as the above (the cheeky chimp bit), then I'd say they were out of line. But, as Richard suggested, had the women treated Mr. Ferry to a drink, delivered by an employed server, with the ladies' phonenumber(s) and a polite question written upon a cocktail napkin to 'test the water', that would have been a 'classier' approach to their end. Still, to some people that 'classier' approach would remain objectionable - nothing short of leaving BF undisturbed in his solitude would suffice. I think Bryan Ferry could only claim 'inappropriate fan behavior!' to have occurred if he had been subjected to behavior that 'ordinary people', such as you and I, might possibly face while out in public (which, unfortunately, is basically anything nowadays). He has the same recourses available to his defense as we do. Therefore we are all at the mercy of strangers and a few friends when we venture off our property. May God help us all! I tend to think the 'pub incident' was overblown in the press and was merely exploited as a means of publicity! Or perhaps, Colleen's 'conspiracy theory' virally transmitted overline; it turns out that BF's 'handlers' engineered this 'disgraceful' event for their benefit - to retain control over Mr. Ferry by reinforcing the idea that all fans are not to be trusted and are evil with hidden agendas (possibly not too far from the truth, actually, now that I think about it!)! What I'd really like to know is this: Does an 'unauthorized' copy of the official lyrics to all the songs on "Horoscope" and "Alphaville" exist, or any portion thereof? Or are we to be left with our guesswork? - I suppose we all could just sing our own versions of a given song together, without care, provided the group carries the tune. N'est pas? Ain't that so? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:44:45 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Behaviour/Mines a pint/ohhhh I've seen Bryan Ferry in public! Speaking as someone who served Mr Ferry a drink recently I feel I am well placed to sort this whole issue out. Have any of you guys ever been to a British Pub? No chance of waiter service I can assure you. Having bumped into Mr Ferry in a well known London shop on the afternoon of his Albert Hall concert last year I can tell you he is happy to be recognised. A polite handshake, a word of admiration (along the lines of good luck with tonights show or I liked the latest album( yes sometimes you have to tell a fib)) and as long as you don't make a nusiance of yourself theres no problem. Had he been with his kids or family then I would have steered clear. J But, as Richard suggested, had the women treated Mr. Ferry to a drink, delivered by an employed server, with the ladies' phonenumber(s) and a polite question written upon a cocktail napkin to 'test the water', that would have been a 'classier' approach to their end. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:50:04 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Love/War redux Hello All - thanks for your lyrics! Here are some of my off the cuff remarks: "*Need a space to think about it Just a chance to dream" vs. "Neatest way is, to think about it - Just a chance to dream." You might be spot on there, Richard! 'Need a space'... I had settled on "neatest way is, to think about it" as a way of making the stanza coherent, that is, 'if I could kill her, the neatest way to do it would be... I'm dreaming, fantasizing about how I'd do the deed'. An 'unofficial' official lyric sheet could come in handy here? "There was some discussion of "FIZZY WATER" a while back. I think it references Champagne, "bubbly" = high life." I tend to interpret this entire stanza to address the 'sweetness of making up after the fight' hence sweet inside the bitter pill. The 'bitter pill' transitions us to 'seltzer' - 'fizzy water' is analogous to an unsettled and tumultuous relationship. - Once you've experience the thrill and agony of the 'love war' you ?'want no still'? or 'want it still'? or ?'won't want still'? - well, either way, want more of it or can't stand anymore of it... lyric sheet anyone???! I need a lyric sheet!!! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:04:04 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Behaviour/Mines a pint/ohhhh I've seen Bryan Ferry in public! "Speaking as someone who served Mr. Ferry a drink recently I feel I am well placed to sort this whole issue out." Jonathan, does Mr. Ferry 'slurp' his drinks? I've always wanted to know! And, and, how does he hold his glass - any particular way? You guys are So Lucky to have these chance encounters with Bryan Ferry. Should you ever get too bored with him send him to the US East Coast for a while. I Promise, we'll send him back after we've learned all there is to know about him... LOL!!! Best wishes. KBP OK I'm done for the day - you may all breath a collective sigh of relief;) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:54:11 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: [AVALON] 2003 or is 2001? After seeing the set list for Portugal, I'm very happy my ticket money for Hyde Park has been returned to me, all they have done is dropped IEDHAH and added TTOIA, sheer laziness. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:13:39 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] 2001 or 2003 And no evidence that South Downs was used. See what happens when you are too busy being accosted in pubs to rehearse new tunes? J After seeing the set list for Portugal, I'm very happy my ticket money for Hyde Park has been returned to me, all they have done is dropped IEDHAH and added TTOIA, sheer laziness. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:39:22 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Behaviour How flustered we are when discussing Ferry in the flesh. Funnily enough Mr Ferry threatened to set the hounds on me if I did not purchase his latest cash in. I refused. Better to be savaged rich then listen to bloody True To Life in 5.1. Far be it from me to take my life into my hands and speak for KBP, but I think she was joking with the whole 'Write my life story on a napkin' thing. Confirmation KBP? J In a message dated 15/07/2003 18:04:51 GMT Standard Time, DEAGLERR writes: > >>And whoever suggested buying him a drink is mad. After buying the Avalon > SACD > cd, who can bloody afford to do that?>> > > I did, &my handlers disagree with you. > > I certainly am not the completist some on this list seem. > (I.E., every single release, every version.) > you bought that CD of your own free will. > I doubt there was a pistol at your head when you plunked down the gold. > > There is no repaying all the joy Mr. Ferry has given me over the years. > The price of a drink would be cheap, > > Such an act would a POLITE form of acknowledgment, and Bryan would be free > to acknowledge it or not. > Much better than causing a big scene, which would (or should) be > embarrassing for both parties. > > BTW, KBP: I never suggested the "Ladies" or whomever include a phone # or > Questions on a note, only a short note of appreciation &good regard, it need > not even be signed, > If BF felt the need to go beyond that, so much the better. > > Regards, R Deagle > Transcribed from the crayon scrawl. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:16:09 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Toronto - in all it's glory First off - where are we all meeting up in Toronto? It's gonna have to be somewhere in Ontario Place. I'm willing to act as a rallying point by posting my mobile number (905-512-4158). If the signal's lousy - sorry - I haven't gotten around to voicemail yet. Just try again in a few minutes! Bruce - traditionally, the Rock 'n' Roll hotel was the Westbury Loews on Yonge St, but not for some time now. I believe The Four Seasons and Sutton Place are now the venues of choice. Considering it's two days before the big Rolling Stones concert (also with Rush, AC/DC, Guess Who, Justin Timberlake, Sam Roberts etc etc etc) - you could probably score more than one celeb sighting. See all the Crazy Canucks soon! Helen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Billmann Subject: [AVALON] North American tour? OK, only days left and only 5 dates for the states. What gives? Is this tour just a catch up of places missed? Can anyone shed some light on this? Mike SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #200 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest