From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #198 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 198 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon ["Rod LeCloux" ] [AVALON] Re: Sacd [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] [AVALON] Roxy Music Portugal show [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? [thebogusman@interfree.it ()] [AVALON] Oh the good life [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Oh the good life [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Avalon SACD ["Denis Smith" ] RE: [AVALON] Avalon SACD ["Denis Smith" ] Re: Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD ["Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon Couldn't agree more with everthing Mr. Mills stated. The only point I would like to add is that there are many independent artists that choose to remain independent because they did the simple math and realized they can make the same amount of money by selling 50,000 units independently (while retaining intelectual and creative rights) vs locking into a long term contract with the big boys. I've also seen many of these small independent artists re-release there CD's from the 80's with improved sound, bonus tracks and artwork. Mr. Ferry dropped the ball... Rod NP - Tear Garden-Eye Spy With My Little Eye >From: Chandla911@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:44:26 EDT > >No-one comparing Ferry to Bowie has suggested that the former matches the >level of investment, just that someone in a record company tries to match >the >approach. It would not be difficult to support the investment in the >enhanced >sound with a few quotes from people at the original recording session or >some >photos. > >There is no need to be abusive to any fellow Avalonian, no matter what >their >opinions or perceived character traits. > >Paula's point about comparative sales highlights a chicken and egg >situation. >In the 70s, Bowie and Ferry were probably neck and neck at times when it >came >to UK sales. It could be argued that Bowie's sense of self-importance has >extended the career by building up the back catalogue with enhanced >reissues >while trying to remain contemporary in the new stuff. Meanwhile, Ferry's >reissues >have been many but lacklustre and his attitude to studio work has resulted >in >very few recordings that have become more and more retro. Consequently, >Bowie's sales have consolidated while Ferry flounders commercially. To say >that the >reissue programme and an official website that informs fans aren't >affordable >now because of scarce resources might be the wrong way round - maybe Ferry >is >in the situation he is in now because of scant attention to detail and/or >consideration to the needs of fans by the record companies? > >Who is Louise Nevilson? > >I imagine the price of the SACD is more than Dark Side of the Moon because >of >their comparative sales, but once again I imagine that the DSOTM reissue >sold >many many more because of the low bargain price which will have seduced the >mildly curious as well as the committed fan/collector. I attended the BBC >Radio >2 live debate on the state of the music industry last week and the grasp of >economics by people working in the record industry is appalling. It's >possibly >the only business that has survived for 40 years while charging customers a >6,000 per cent mark-up (based on UK high street retail prices) on the cost >of >production. Mick Hucknall claims that in the same time as he made 10 >million >pounds from Simply Red record releases, Warner Bros made 190 million. It >really >is time that the software manufacturers stopped bleating about feeling the >pinch, complaining about how copying of vinyl to cassette/downloading from >the >Internet affects their profit margins and spending quite so much money >promoting >the releases of the Pop Idol/American Idol artists and the other >manufactured >boy bands/girl bands/boy and girl bands. When there are clearly artists out >there worthy of investment for reasons other than safe return on outlay, >the >music industry could be less spendthrift in the same area all the time and >be >more generous with the ridiculous largesse that still exists today. No-one >is >suggesting that the industry rids itself of Britney or Justin, but they >could >transfer some of the income from these to other artists in need of a >leg-up. > >You think only people with weight problems have personal odour issues? >Wrong! > >Best wishes >Richard Mills > >n/p Uncut Byrds tribute CD > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:22:00 -0400 From: "AK" Subject: Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD >Of course SACD is far more superior above both CD and DVD > and its price too! > Read my former posting on this subject, just how many ppl > (average consumer) do you think will buy another new pricie > player to gain access to this special layer that holds the > high res tracks? OK, you can buy a player for $250 US that is also a decent progressive DVD player and with purchase get 24 free DVD rentals...NOT PRICEY! If you need a progressive DVD player - which will play all your CDs, VCDs, SVCDs..etc - this is the perfect addition. This little $250 SACD player does sound good..Sony wants this format to sell so even at this price you get some good sound. > The rest of your audio system needs an upgrade too and > next you need to get rid of all your normal CDs and buy > everything SACD format in order to fully enjoy your new > SACD player. You will hear the difference with a mid to upper level system. You do not necessarily need to upgrade everything and with many people just setting up a home theater system the Sony DVD/SACD player is a good addition and reasonably priced and no one says there is any reason not to continue to use your current CDs, in fact why would you even suggest a need to get rid of them? As far as the price of SACDs, in general they are the same price to $1 more...again not pricey. Is the format for everyone? No, of course not - there will always be those happy with their $150 all in one CD player /stereo and their old VHS players and even a few folks with black and white TVs...but for anyone looking to put together even a fairly low end home theater system, one of these DVD/SACD players does make sense. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:48:37 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Sacd I'm not great with electroinics but do know a little & what I like. I have a Sony receiver that is a DAVCC that is also connected to my Tv- & my DVD -VCR player. I can play & hear any kind of CD DVD & all the radio. Everything I have can come through that receiver & goes to my Bose & surround sound speakers & a woofer. I can create small hall ,lg.hall, jazz club, live house, cinema studio.any virtual sound field I want. I pd. $299. on sale for just this receiver to do all the super things. My DVD-VCR player again on sale for $199. ----It makes listening more enjoyable & movie watching like being in a theater.Of course if I crank it up all the way my neighbors might complain. But when you really want to sit back & enjoy all that sound. Take the chance just maybe they might like your music.Thank goodness if power goes off it re-programs itself with a push of a button. Otherwise I'd be up a creek.Marlana............................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:51:14 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Portugal show I have just been on www.vivaroxymusic.com, and there have been additions of some great photos of last night's show in Portugal, very clear photos, all well worth looking at. Go to gallery and the RM live 2003. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2003 00:35:28 -0000 From: thebogusman@interfree.it () Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? CIAOOOOOO Jeezes I'm still on jet lag but I'm kissing the american soil :) I'm sad cose i feel I'm a bit too late to reach the 1967 "Summer of LOve" but happy enough cose i got my detroit ticket in my hands I don't have a clue about the seats..hope to meet someone Does anyone knows if SACD is already on sale in USA? I don't wanna bore anyone with my opinions about The live cose many people already wrote wonderful reviews, only a world about VIVA..... it was a bit disappointing ..a live album in the '70 had to be at least double.(Roxy didn't play in ITaly for several years)..too many songs are missing...aren't ya with me kids? ok time to sleep, hell ,in this heat tonite does anyone know what time is it? :) the hocus pocus bogus DAn >Hi Danny! > >Enjoy the Show! > >Have a good (uneventful) flight! > >Please write us about the 'do' after you've returned. OK? > >Best wishes. KBP > >PS - If you see Jas, tell him "hello"! > - ----------------------------------------------------- Salve, il messaggio che hai ricevuto h stato inviato per mezzo del sistema di web mail interfree. Se anche tu vuoi una casella di posta free visita il sito http://club.interfree.it Ti aspettiamo! - ----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:56:37 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Oh the good life What a week that was. This was going to be my ultimate concert week with a bit of Roxy to round it all off. That wasn't to be, but low and behold if it didn't turn into a week with a bit of Ferry squeezed in anyway (thanks to the unexpected joys of living in London). Somerset House delivered the delights of Royksop and Goldfarapp which had me wondering which bands have made you guys revisit some of your earlier musical loves of late? Royksopp had me in mind for a clubbed up remixed Kraftwerk, while Goldfrapp did their usual never heard anything like it wrapped up with early Human League, Quatro, Glitter Band and Iggy. It made me feel like it was '72 onwards all over again (but not in an obvious kind off way). Allison ignored the pleas for San Simeon and grouched about singing better with the lights on - yes well! And speaking of grouches, I elected to withdraw my membership of The Groucho as they seem to be letting any old riff raff in these days, and hightailed it down to Pierre Maroc White' s magnificent Belvedere with a couple of old pals who design for Jasper Conran for The Tatler Party. What an unexpectedly fabulous evening. I don't know who I was most pleased to see Paul (San) Simonon or Mr Ferry himself who's half smile reeked of "don't you get on the same train as me in the morning" familiarity. I'm sure that later we were treated to the STD remix of Love is The Drug, which had us itching for more, but maybe it was just the champagne. Ahhh it's hard to beat old London town now that summer and nuclear heatwaves are here. Jocelyn NP Puppet on a String ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:18:47 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Oh the good life Jocelyn's right! What a fabulous evening it was at the old Tatler do! As my dad was in charge of the old champers that night I too blagged a ticket, even pouring a glass for Mr Ferrari himself who said 'thank you!' Nice to see him uninterupted by the over familiar who often embaress with cries of 'When's Horoscope coming out?' and 'You're great.' Oddly enough I don't recall Love Is The Drug getting an airing this time out. Might you have it confused with the never popular 47 minute Eno dub of 'Jealous Guy?' J n/p 'Use Me' Bill Withers In a message dated 14/07/2003 01:57:23 GMT Standard Time, Jocelynfiske@aol.com writes: > > What a week that was. > This was going to be my ultimate concert week with a bit of Roxy to round it > > all off. That wasn't to be, but low and behold if it didn't turn into a > week > with a bit of Ferry squeezed in anyway (thanks to the unexpected joys of > living in London). > Somerset House delivered the delights of Royksop and Goldfarapp which had me > > wondering which bands have made you guys revisit some of your earlier > musical > loves of late? Royksopp had me in mind for a clubbed up remixed Kraftwerk, > while Goldfrapp did their usual never heard anything like it wrapped up with > > early Human League, Quatro, Glitter Band and Iggy. It made me feel like it > was '72 > onwards all over again (but not in an obvious kind off way). > Allison ignored the pleas for San Simeon and grouched about singing better > with the lights on - yes well! > And speaking of grouches, I elected to withdraw my membership of The Groucho > > as they seem to be letting any old riff raff in these days, and hightailed > it > down to Pierre Maroc White' s magnificent Belvedere with a couple of old > pals > who design for Jasper Conran for The Tatler Party. What an unexpectedly > fabulous evening. I don't know who I was most pleased to see Paul (San) > Simonon or > Mr Ferry himself who's half smile reeked of "don't you get on the same > train as me in the morning" familiarity. I'm sure that later we were treated > > to the STD remix of Love is The Drug, which had us itching for more, but > maybe > it was just the champagne. > Ahhh it's hard to beat old London town now that summer and nuclear heatwaves > > are here. > > Jocelyn > NP Puppet on a String ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:16:58 -0400 From: "Denis Smith" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Avalon SACD Being in the retail end of this I might be biased but SACD sounds great tome ( as does dvd audio). I'm no fan of format wars ( I got burned on beta), however both formats sound superior to cds. unfortunately there is fart to little well recorded software to make either attractive at this time. Fortunately there are a few manufacturers who offer both and more come on stream daily. I haven't heard the Avalon SACD yet ( and am not likely to rush as Avalon is not really one of my favourite albums). but so far I have been impressed ( this from a guy who is still a die hard vinyl fan) > >Hear, hear John. > Avalon on SACD? who honestly cares? > >What incentive is there for anybody to buy Avalon on SACD? I've read the >press release and frankly I'll stick with my remastered cd thanks... I agree. SACD and 5.1 audio is dead on arrival. It's a format for a person who has no family/no friends/ no dogs/no cats and can put all 6 speakers in a perfect location and then sit exactly in the correct position. Seems kinda silly to me. I believe most concerts still put the speaker racks on the front left and right side of the stage. Granted if I was 25 and single with no kids I'd probably have the ultimate set up to impress my friends. But, now I really can't be bothered by it all. Remember quadrophonic? Ok, 5.1 for theater/movies now that's a different story.... Rock On (in stereo 2.0) Rod (Green Bay) _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:43:31 -0400 From: "Denis Smith" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Avalon SACD I dunno after 20+ years of retailing this stuff there is no such thing as a sure-fire format.( I can personally feel guilty for more than a few sales of dat, beta, digital compact cassette, and not so guilty for md....) As well sales of music lives on youth and my experience with staff and customers is that unfortunately the vast majority have little sense of good sound and are happy with the quality of mp2( yeechh!!). I personally think SACD is the first thing I've heard that can rival a top notch vinyl system at a considerably lower price so I hope it will succeed ( but then again I bought Beta as it was better as well) ds - -----Original Message----- From: R. Jackson [mailto:jackson.robert.r@comcast.net] Sent: July 13, 2003 10:23 PM To: Denis Smith Cc: Rod LeCloux; KWil632057@aol.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD I dunno. I think 5.1/6.1/7.1 and all the other flavors of surround mixing are pretty much here to stay. And I don't think you really have to just remain in the "sweet spot" to enjoy the mixes, anymore than you have to remain exactly in the sweet spot of your stereo setup to enjoy stereo sound. I don't think multichannel remastering is what's questionable about the SACD format, personally. I think it's a question of what method of delivering the product is likely to have any kind of market penetration and longevity. I only know one person with a CD player that can play those discs. DVD-Audio discs aren't selling like crazy, either. The music industry has been in a nasty slump for a while now and none of the new formats really seems to be luring people into the marketplace. Mt personal opinion is that the High Definition DVD standard that everyone is hashing out right now needs to include an audio standard as part of its spec. That way everyone who buys a High Definition DVD player (and these things are set to make a huge debut) will have a playback device for multichannel audio, as well. Then we may see a lasting "Super" audio format. On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Denis Smith wrote: > I agree. SACD and 5.1 audio is dead on arrival. It's a format for a > person > who has no family/no friends/ no dogs/no cats and can put all 6 > speakers in > a perfect location and then sit exactly in the correct position. Seems > kinda silly to me. I believe most concerts still put the speaker > racks on > the front left and right side of the stage. Granted if I was 25 and > single > with no kids I'd probably have the ultimate set up to impress my > friends. > But, now I really can't be bothered by it all. Remember quadrophonic? > > Ok, 5.1 for theater/movies now that's a different story.... > > Rock On (in stereo 2.0) > > Rod (Green Bay) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:56:52 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD Hello, I hope I didn't sound to harsh on the high resolution formats, I think lack of sleep may have affected my mood. Actually, now that I had some time to think about it I would most likely get a "universal" player when my CD player die's (and if it doesn't die and can maybe help it along). Pioneer is coming out with one on July 14th under $200. See link for an example: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ecg8Ov2LA5N/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?I=130DV563A It plays DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-Audio with progressive scan!! Rock On, Rod NP Tear Garden-I Spy With My Little Eye >From: "AK" >To: >Subject: Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:22:00 -0400 > > >Of course SACD is far more superior above both CD and DVD > > and its price too! > > Read my former posting on this subject, just how many ppl > > (average consumer) do you think will buy another new pricie > > player to gain access to this special layer that holds the > > high res tracks? > >OK, you can buy a player for $250 US that is also a decent progressive DVD >player and with purchase get 24 free DVD rentals...NOT PRICEY! If you need >a >progressive DVD player - which will play all your CDs, VCDs, SVCDs..etc - >this >is the perfect addition. This little $250 SACD player does sound good..Sony >wants this format to sell so even at this price you get some good sound. > > > > The rest of your audio system needs an upgrade too and > > next you need to get rid of all your normal CDs and buy > > everything SACD format in order to fully enjoy your new > > SACD player. > >You will hear the difference with a mid to upper level system. You do not >necessarily need to upgrade everything and with many people just setting up >a >home theater system the Sony DVD/SACD player is a good addition and >reasonably >priced and no one says there is any reason not to continue to use your >current >CDs, in fact why would you even suggest a need to get rid of them? > >As far as the price of SACDs, in general they are the same price to $1 >more...again not pricey. > >Is the format for everyone? No, of course not - there will always be those >happy with their $150 all in one CD player /stereo and their old VHS >players >and even a few folks with black and white TVs...but for anyone looking to >put >together even a fairly low end home theater system, one of these DVD/SACD >players does make sense. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #198 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest