From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #197 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, July 13 2003 Volume 08 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] Review: Roxy Music double live cd 2001-tour [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-] [AVALON] Roxy Play Times ["frantic22" ] [AVALON] Toronto Area Information [Bruce MacQueen ] Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD [f2hb@wanadoo.nl (2HB)] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? - --- Jocelynfiske@aol.com wrote: (and it's not Reecey, Ivor or > John O'B who all bizarrely > smell of Marmite and rubber >> That's the last time we buy sandwiches from the concession stand. Reecey... . . . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:59:28 -0400 From: "AK" Subject: [AVALON] Avalon SACD > Avalon on SACD? who honestly cares? > >What incentive is there for anybody to buy Avalon on SACD? ... It isn't about the 5.1 mix, it's about the high resolution track. Don't knock it if you haven't heard it. SACD completly blows away any music format I have heard save the old LP format. If you like music and you have decent speakers you WILL hear a major difference. It's like trying to say that AM radio or MP3 sounds as good as a good CD mix....if you can't hear this difference then you are missing way too much of the music. This is a format for people who love good sound. Most SACD's include both a high res stereo and 5.1 mix, frankly I would prefer just the high res stereo mix in most cases. For those of you who just don't get it, compare a hi-def video signal and a over air TV signal - that's the difference you get with sound between standard and SACD... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:59:32 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: [AVALON] Review: Roxy Music double live cd 2001-tour I have had the new double live Roxy album for some days now. I'd like to share some thoughts. First some words about the production itself. I have some experience with recording, mixing and producing live albums, since I've done that with quite a few professional releases. The concerts have been recorded on some of the best equipment available today. I think they must have had 48 tracks. I have listened carefully to it all in my Sennheiser-pro-headphones on a very good stereo. I'm very impressed with both the mix and the production. All the instruments and vocals are very nicely balanced in the mix. The production is very distinct and clear and it has this typical airy Roxy feeling. This is not as easy one should think. If one is not careful, it's easy to make a mess of the whole production. There are some overdubs, but not as many as some of you think. It's so easy to manipulate a little with a voice or instrument, when one's dealing with a multitrack recording. If one puts on some effects, the sound of that track can change completely. I believe that some (but far from all) of what sounds like overdubs only are correction or manipulations with excisting tracks. The live-feeling is intact. All through the songs one can hear crowd-noises, and this gives the recording the authentic character. It's not as much as on the BBC-concert or some of those private recordings that have circulated on the list, but on this one it's possible to really enjoy the music, and yet remember that it's a live-album. The crowds' reactions / applause are just how I remember them myself: overwhelming. I'm also very impressed by the bridges between the various tracks. It almost sounds like it's been taken from one show instead of 10-15 different. I think the cover is beautiful. This black-gold digipack format is very nice and handy. The booklet is very Roxy! I like how they have treated the pictures! A little more info wouldn't hurt, ain't that so J O'B, for example a complete list of all the concerts on the tour, some comments and thoughts from BF, AM, PM & TGPT. The performances are superb. Everybody plays great. I think I've better versions of some of the songs, but that's only my opinion. It must have been quite a job to go through 50 complete gigs to pick out the best version of each song. The only thing I dislike a little is the set-list itself. There are too many of the hits, and far too little of what makes me love Roxy, namely the strange, athmospheric, unusual songs. But since this was a best-of tour, I guess I'll have to accept all that ;-) I especially didn't like that "If there is something" was so short!! Conclusion: I think this new Roxy live album is brilliant. At the moment it's my number two Roxy fave-album. I can't imagine how any album ever can get better than Viva!, but at the moment this one is not so far away! My advise: Take your time and listen carefully to the music! It's great! It's Roxy Music! Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:33:56 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Play Times Full page feature on RM in today's Play mag in the Times (UK). Who organises the information for these hacks?, perhaps Jim Lawn could tell us. On the eve of 2 "new" releases of Roxy SACDs we get the same old stuff how the 2 Bry's fell out once Ferry wanted to front the band himself, how Jerry Hall left Bryan because she "couldn't face being Jerry Ferry". The only mention of Avalon's re-release is "One the eve of it's 21st anniversary reissue", no mention of this bright new technology, extra packaging etc: Do Virgin/EMI not want to sell their product? Shouldn't they make sure that a 1/4 page advert for the album was on the opposite page from the article. This sort of sloppiness would not come from the Bowie camp. Oh, you also might like to know that Roxys first 3 albums were called: Roxy Music, For Your Pleasure and STREET LIFE! Must have missed that one! Any good? Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:38:15 -0400 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Toronto Area Information T.O. Fans: Does anyone know where Bryan &/or Roxy usually stay while they're in Toronto? I would guess The Royal York or The Windsor Arms. As I need to get a room myself, I figured why not check into the same place they might be staying? I was lucky enough to do so in Columbia, MD during the 2001 Roxy tour and had a really good time!! Any tips will be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Bruce "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:10:20 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon >Meanwhile, Ferry's reissues have been many but lacklustre and his attitude to studio work has resulted in very few recordings that have become more and more retro. Consequently, Bowie's sales have consolidated while Ferry flounders commercially. < I think the important point that maybe got buried in my diatribe earlier is that Bowie has always far outsold Ferry "worldwide." Yes, in the UK, Ferry enjoyed astounding success, but it was my job to know the status of record sales during those decades, and I can tell you that Bowie far outsold Ferry worldwide, with the United States being the key element he was missing. He is simply too avant garde for the hideously commercial, mainstream, plain old overall bad taste U.S. (and you on this list are the shining exception to this statement, so please don't throw tomatoes). Bowie was too, really, but he got off to a good start with his Spaceman thing and won some folks he otherwise wouldn't have, and he managed to gain and hold a foothold in the US, which was, certainly then, by far the biggest market. Those decades, Roxy/Ferry had the biggest, most innovative and most powerful label group behind them. Bowie's was big but became steeped in country music very deeply for some time and they were not known to be nearly as contemporary in their marketing. So I don't view the early sales difference to be a product of negligence on Roxy's label. There are completely different players on all label fronts now, but Bowie remains with a different but still powerful label group, while Roxy/Ferry distribution is more tenuous. Bowie has reached Old Man status within the industry and can negotiate damn near anything he wants, because once you reach this status, you sort of own the label. No one is sadder than me that Ferry simply doesn't have that kind of clout, and never has had. (Actually, I'm not sad about it at all, for selfish reasons, since I detest arena shows and prefer a more intimate venue.) I think one thing we can agree on is that changing with the times is key, and that that can be done on any scale to some degree. And I do think batting about ideas is helpful. Regards, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:53:13 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon Paula postulates: "I think one thing we can agree on is that changing with the times is key, and that that can be done on any scale to some degree. And I do think batting about ideas is helpful." So true and elegantly practical - Bravo, Paula! Does anyone know if there is an active RM/BF management team who coordinates their contracts, contacts and affairs? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:35:40 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A few thoughts on Avalon In a message dated 7/12/03 1:45:20 AM, Chandla911@aol.com writes: > Who is Louise Nevelson? > American Sculptor biography: http://www.guggenheimcollection.org/site/artist_bio_117A.html Images: http://www.guggenheimcollection.org/site/artist_work_md_117A_1.html http://www.guggenheimcollection.org/site/artist_work_md_117A_2.html http://www.wesleyan.edu/dac/coll/thrd/sculptures.html http://www.pafa.org/paintingsPreview.jsp?id=860 http://www.mfa.org/handbook/portrait.asp?id=385&s=9 regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:46:32 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl (2HB) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD >>At 08:50 11-07-2003 -0400, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >> >> Avalon on SACD? who honestly cares? >> >>What incentive is there for anybody to buy Avalon on SACD? ... > > At 08:59 12-07-2003 -0400, AK wrote: > >It isn't about the 5.1 mix, it's about the high resolution track. >This is a format for people who love good sound. >Most SACD's include both a high res stereo and 5.1 mix, >frankly I would prefer just the high res stereo mix in most cases. Of course SACD is far more superior above both CD and DVD and its price too! Read my former posting on this subject, just how many ppl (average consumer) do you think will buy another new pricie player to gain access to this special layer that holds the high res tracks? The rest of your audio system needs an upgrade too and next you need to get rid of all your normal CDs and buy everything SACD format in order to fully enjoy your new SACD player. 2HB ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #197 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest