From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #195 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, July 11 2003 Volume 08 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Avalon SACD [=?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= ] Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Private emails [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] There's Roxy and then there's Bowie [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Inappropriate my arse [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] In Defence of Bryan Ferry??? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] There's Roxy and then there's Bowie ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Balls or sprays? ["frantic22" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Opinions & only opinions ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? ["danyellow" ] Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD [f2hb@wanadoo.nl (2HB)] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:19:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Turner?= Subject: [AVALON] Avalon SACD I was invited to the Sony press launch for the Avalon SACD at the Groucho Club in Soho a couple of weeks ago. Ferry, Andy Mackay and Rhett Davies were there, with great and the good from Sony, Virgin, Eagle Records, and the Fourth Estate, including Chris Roberts who wrote the Uncut piece. I wasn't the only fan, or indeed the only Avalonian present, and I certainly wasn't made to feel unwelcome in any way. Indeed people could not have been kinder. Personally I've never experienced any 'fan unfriendliness', although I have been aware of rudeness, overfamiliarity and inappropriacy from fans towards the band on many occasions, dare I say even from members of this august forum. One room in the Groucho was set aside as a demo room. I listened to nearly all of Avalon, and I can tell you that the SACD version is incredible. I don't really know how to describe it, but I could really hear the detail and the separation between the instruments. I felt like the band were playing all around me, but with each instrument distinct and individual. It's astonishing, and believe me, I don't say that easily as I'm pretty cynical about the proliferation of new formats (and pretty much everything else...) Superb sound quality should be the criterion that this release is judged upon, not all this guff about photographs or booklets. This is not just an audiophile release either, as a DVD/SACD combo player that will plug into an existing Home Theatre system is under #200 quid, and therefore hardly out of the reach of mere mortals. It will of course play all of your standard CDs as well as your DVDs. I have a copy of both Avalon and The Best of Roxy Music on SACD. There are no tarted-up tracks or photos or Argos vouchers or other gimmicks on the Best Of either. That's because all the work has been done on the sound, where it actually counts. SACD = Super Audio Compact Disc. It does exactly what it says on the tin. Regards Chris ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:43:54 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! This did make me laugh but it must be awful to be on the receiving end of this sort of behaviour. You can understand why Bryan keeps such a low profile - he must hate it. From today's Daily Express: ....the Roxy Music frontman was left somewhat dishevelled by the fervent advances of three middle-aged female fans the other day. Ferry was nursing a drink in a secluded corner of his local West Sussex pub on Saturday when the women spotted him. "They literally clambered over tables and chairs to get to Bryan," says our astonished onlooker. "They then pleaded with him to play in their back garden and told him they would pay." A taken-aback Ferry beat a hasty retreat without answering we understand. "He was back in the pub the next day," adds our source. "But luckily the three women weren't there." Jane Who's had two opportunities to approach Bryan in the past year but decided neither was the time or the place and settled for a smile from him. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:01:38 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! In a message dated 11/07/2003 11:45:26 GMT Daylight Time, janeandal@talk21.com writes: > ....the Roxy Music frontman was left somewhat dishevelled by the fervent > advances of three middle-aged female fans the other day. Ferry was nursing > a drink in a secluded corner of his local West Sussex pub on Saturday when > the women spotted him. > > "They literally clambered over tables and chairs to get to Bryan," says our > astonished onlooker. "They then pleaded with him to play in their back > garden and told him they would pay." > > Should that type of behaviour not be left for teenagers? I sometimes despair of the stupidity of some people. At that age these women should know better. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:05:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Private emails I don't think it's fair to reproduce on list private emails send to individuals without the sender's permission. Caroline corresponded with many people and I'm sure she wouldn't like her emails made public,no matter how innoceous they seem. If I die before this list folds up,can I ask those who have some from me,not to publish them in any circonstances!Thanks.JL. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:26:49 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD In a message dated 11/07/03 10:20:35 GMT Daylight Time, roxyrama@yahoo.co.uk writes: > I was invited to the Sony press launch for the Avalon SACD at the Groucho > Club in Soho a couple of > weeks ago. Ferry, Andy Mackay and Rhett Davies were there, with great and > the good from Sony, > Virgin, Eagle Records, and the Fourth Estate, including Chris Roberts who > wrote the Uncut piece. I > wasn't the only fan, or indeed the only Avalonian present, and I certainly > wasn't made to feel > unwelcome in any way. Indeed people could not have been kinder. Personally > I've never experienced > any 'fan unfriendliness', although I have been aware of rudeness, > overfamiliarity and > inappropriacy from fans towards the band on many occasions, dare I say even > from members of this > august forum. > I pleased for you that you merited the invite to the SACD release. I have never suggested that Ferry or any other of the band have been rude to the fans and I have stated clear on my post that I and many others have found them friendly. I can imagine some fans have been rude to them but thankfully I am not in that bracket. This is what I said <> > > Superb sound quality should be the criterion that this release is judged > upon, not all this guff > about photographs or booklets. > > Sorry if it sounded like guff to you but I was only quoting the press release that lured me into buying it. Take it up with whoever is responsible for writing that. This is not just an audiophile release either, as a DVD/SACD combo > > player that will plug into an existing Home Theatre system is under #200 > quid, and therefore > hardly out of the reach of mere mortals. It will of course play all of your > standard CDs as well > as your DVDs. > I have a hi-fi at home that the speaker alone would buy 4 #200pound SACD systems, I am not prepared to get rid of it yet > have a copy of both Avalon and The Best of Roxy Music on SACD. There are > no tarted-up tracks or > photos or Argos vouchers or other gimmicks on the Best Of either. That's > because all the work has > been done on the sound, where it actually counts. SACD = Super Audio > Compact Disc. It does exactly what it says on the tin. > What I said was before <> I have to summarise again as I keep being misunderstood. My point is that I am sure the time, effort and money spent on producing the SACD is worthwhile on when played on the appropriate equipment, I have never doubted that or said anything to the contrary. The extras mentioned on the press release fall well short of their potential. The whole thing is a missed opportunity. Compared to the Bowie re issues I mentioned Ziggy Stardust & Aladdin Sane 30th Anniversary. These are housed in Hard back CD sized books with loads of pages with interviews with people who worked on the making of the album, loads of unseen photos etc and an extra CD of out-takes from the sessions. Avalon didn't have to go that far but I don't think much effort would have taken it to somewhere between the minimalist product it is and the Bowie stuff.. This is the most expensive non imported Roxy CD on the shelves, you wouldn't think that by looking at it. I have been involved in many off list conversations with list members in the past and many have said before that the re-issue/re-package-re-mix programme with Ferry/Roxy could have been better. I am just saying it on list. J.O'B J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:33:50 +0200 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] Private em hell s Doesn't this one smell like ....mmhhhh ...fresh digged hole in a boot hill ??? better to touch wood if i remember the right english version... cose in Italy... we touch iron of course hahahah danilo PS just 'cose tomorrow i have to take off with a couple of planes :-)))))))))))) > I don't think it's fair to reproduce on list private > emails send to individuals without the sender's > permission. Caroline corresponded with many people and > I'm sure she wouldn't like her emails made public,no > matter how innoceous they seem. If I die before this > list folds up,can I ask those who have some from > me,not to publish them in any circonstances!Thanks.JL. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:50:12 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD Hear, hear John. It amazes me that almost 15 years ago David Bowie's back catalouge was reissued with exciting new outakes, rare and unreleased material etc. I bought the lot and still to this day listen to them regularly. Why do those in the Ferry camp continue to fleece without offering real value for money. Greatest hits after greatest hits. A couple of new tracks would be a start. Avalon on SACD? who honestly cares? What incentive is there for anybody to buy Avalon on SACD? I've read the press release and frankly I'll stick with my remastered cd thanks. I see the greatest hits are being issued on the same format. Why? It sold 6 copies when it was originally released. Does anybody own the Frantic dvd? Can you tell the exclusive mix of 'Hiroshima...' from the regular mix? Nope me neither. Another total waste of time and money. I'm not trying to have a go at Ferry or the members of Roxy as people, but to be honest if they want to cash in, on what has become a near monthly rate (how prolific when rereleases are the order of the day, if only that could be applied to some original work) they are going to have to start offering something new. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:11:13 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! > In a message dated 11/07/2003 11:45:26 GMT Daylight Time, > janeandal@talk21.com writes: > > > > ....the Roxy Music frontman was left somewhat dishevelled by the fervent > > advances of three middle-aged female fans the other day. Ferry was nursing > > a drink in a secluded corner of his local West Sussex pub on Saturday when > > the women spotted him. > > > > "They literally clambered over tables and chairs to get to Bryan," says our > > astonished onlooker. "They then pleaded with him to play in their back > > garden and told him they would pay." > > > > > > Should that type of behaviour not be left for teenagers? I sometimes despair > of the stupidity of some people. At that age these women should know better. > > Goodie Oh PLEEZE! Girls just want to have fun, right? Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:40:24 -0400 From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] There's Roxy and then there's Bowie News from Bowienet today reveals the differences between an artist whose incompetent record companies dictate the repackaging and an artist who seems to be both in charge of the re-issue programme AND keen to maximise his bang for a buck potential. By this, I mean that Ferry is most likely not involved in the repackaging process (I was shocked - yet strangely not surprised at all - to read in Uncut that Ferry had no involvement at all to speak of in the Heart Still Beating live album), but you might hope the commercial concerns of the record company might be more to the fore, resulting in extras that are perceived as actually worth having. Bowie however seems to be at the helm of the constant reissuing of his back catalogue (it WAS kind of a pledge to people investing in Bowie Bonds) and while people might think that you can have too much of a good thing, the reissues just keep on coming and each time there's something of a hook. Now, people might wish to cock a snoot at the SACD phenomenon and I'd be one to wonder why bother issuing hybrid STEREO SACDs when you could issue 5:1. But this news will bring joy to collectors, happy with their Ziggy and Aladdin Sane 30th anniversary reissues, expectantly looking forward to the 2CD+DVD Black Tie White Noise reissue at the end of the month but wanting reassurance that there'll be more than just ANOTHER new album to buy before the world tour kicks off in October... Here, for info, is the news in full: "EMI are to release three Bowie SACDs on September 29th...and here are the details: Firstly, there will be hybrid stereo releases of the Scary Monsters and Super Creeps and Let's Dance albums featuring the 1999 remaster on the PCM stereo layer and a new 2003 remaster on the DSD layer. Also due at the same time will be a hybrid multi-channel SACD release of The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars featuring the 2002 remaster as PCM and DSD stereo layers, and a layer featuring a 5:1 multi-channel mix of the album created by Ken Scott at Abbey Road in January of this year." Bowie and Ferry may both be in their autumn years, but there's something about the way Bowie's camp operates that makes you think the guy is still vibrant and alive, while the sluggish attitude to almost everything makes Ferry seem regrettably passe. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p silence - secretly typing this in the workplace - shhhh! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:41:47 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! In a message dated 11/07/2003 14:10:25 GMT Daylight Time, tmoq@pipeline.com writes: > Oh PLEEZE! Girls just want to have fun, right? > That is not fun, that is invasion of privacy. And they are middle-aged women, they should know better. It is that sort of unacceptable behaviour that will the make the artist think all fans are mad hatters. And I feel sort of insulted as I suppose these women who should know better will make Bryan think we are all the same. To have fun you do not need to invade other people's privacy when you are clearly not wanted. This is childish behaviour which is forgivable for thirteen year olds, but not for grown sensible people. There is no need to behave like that whatsoever, not in my opinion. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:54:43 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Inappropriate my arse I'm sure Mr Ferry loved every second of it. J That is not fun, that is invasion of privacy. And they are middle-aged women, they should know better. It is that sort of unacceptable behaviour that will the make the artist think all fans are mad hatters. And I feel sort of insulted as I suppose these women who should know better will make Bryan think we are all the same. To have fun you do not need to invade other people's privacy when you are clearly not wanted. This is childish behaviour which is forgivable for thirteen year olds, but not for grown sensible people. There is no need to behave like that whatsoever, not in my opinion. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:05:31 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Defence of Bryan Ferry??? From Mark Yates: "Why is it that one of our list members was preaching how her faith in Bryan had been restored, has now taken the first opportunity to Kick him yet again.(fickle) or what? I don't care how much money he makes, just like his private life it's really none of my business." Once again, Mark misses the relevant point of the discussion, this time one started by John O'B! I believe John is totally within his right to express, what I feel, is a valid observation: There is little to no effort placed forward originating from the Ferry Camp that remotely suggests any thought is given toward satisfying the consumer: The little things that could be done toward that satisfaction have nothing to do with anyone's private life! John has productively made suggestions that are easy to effect, thereby positively affecting and reinforcing the loyalty of BF's fans. Certainly, Kari's post made me very happy and it did restore my faith in 'the professional life/work of Bryan Ferry as a personable artist, but I am not as fickle as you would pretend, Mark. - I did not 'kick' BF, and the interpretations that you have given John O'Brien's and my previous post underscores (something that I will not write, since you have an axe to grind). Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:16:00 -0400 From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Balls or sprays? Chris Turner wrote: >Personally I've never experienced any "fan unfriendliness", although I have been aware of rudeness, over familiarity and inappropriacy from fans towards the band on many occasions dare I say even from members of this august forum. Personally I've experienced "fan to fan unfriendliness", and have witnessed rudeness, over familiarity bordering on sexual harassment and worst of all the inappropriacy of fans not wearing a deoderant while sitting within 5 rows of me at a concert. These are issues that need addressing now! Jocelyn NP Nelly."It's getting hot in Here" (so please god, don't take off all your clothes) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:34:06 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! "Oh PLEEZE! Girls just want to have fun, right?" Especially when they are all dressed up with nowhere to go but the local pub for pints!!! :) KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:48:20 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] There's Roxy and then there's Bowie Hello Avalon, Just one comment about comparing Bowie and Roxy repackaging efforts. Bowie's material always has sold much more worldwide and so he is able to negotiate with the labels and promoters, etc. more control and a maximum budget when doing things such as special packages. I agree Bowie is doing an exemplary job in all quarters with packaging reissues and groundbreaking work with his website offering special members-only deals on tickets, etc. But it's important to know that these things don't involve just Ferry and his pocketbook but involve the label and a wide range of industry support, and doing things on a grand scale can usually only be justified when the artist is a megaseller. It involves much more than Ferry and his personal management making the right decisions. I'm sure they posit plenty of good ideas that get shot down for budgetary reasons. You may think Ferry has enough money to run the whole show himself if he chose, but that is not true. It takes a big complex network to keep it all going and if he were running that instead of letting the industry in place do it, he'd never have time for writing and performing. I love what Ferry gives me, and I owe him a bottomless debt for it. My main hope is that he doesn't have to stay so busy touring in order to make money (with record sales diminishing) that he can't take time for writing and working in the studio -- and I'd much rather he spent his non-road time falling in love and writing songs than in front of a computer writing on boards, personally, which certainly can sap your time, as I guess we all know! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:28:46 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! I have to agree with Goodie on this. Public People deserve their private moments. (Although the press MAY have made more of this than actually happened.) Another way of dealing with a star sighting would have been to call the waiter, and ask to pay for the Star's (Ferry's) drink. A note on a napkin to the Star, thanking them for years of enjoyment might be excused. If the Star wished to acknowledge the fan, great, however nothing should be expected (by me at least). That way the Star need not feel singled out in a crowd, who may or maynot even know who he is. Much classier, no? Living in New York all sort of famous people are seen on a regular basis, by tons of regular folk. (I'm usually to preoccupied to recognize even friends,) Seeing Johnny Cash in Bergdorf's, buying a bathrobe (black of course) was sort of odd. Or Louise Nevilson getting out of a cab in front of the Whitney Museum, monster false eyelashes & all. I remember being in Central Park with a friend some 20 years ago, and seeing a small Asian woman, with a child, & entourage, including someone with a video camera. Everyone within a mile knew it was Yoko & Sean Lennon. No one acknowledged their presence. Never have I seen so many people pretending not to see what was right in front of them. This was not THAT long after John Lennon's murder. People seemed to feel their was a need to give the Lennons space. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:41:55 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie/sacd/dsotm. I hear all the points being made about re-packaging etc, I never bought the 2001 Best Of, it's now available at #7 in my local store, still won't buy it. As for the re-issues thing, I bought all the Roxy/Ferry HCCD re-issues for the improved sound quality and worth every penny they are too, I even bought them in the mini-album sleeves AND most in jewel cases when they hit the #5 mark. As for the Bowie releases, these always interesting, well packaged and give you a "little" more each time. Although the last re-mastered Ziggy Stardust sounds awful (muddy and channels switched) and has bits missing (intro to Hong On To Yourself), but at least it was different. I think I paid #12.99 for this double CD set, good value and the packaging was great. This brings me to my real moan why #17 for this disc? Before anyone says its more expensive to produce (I'm sure computors do most of the work) or the extra packaging (none if JO'B is correct, and I'm sure he is), then why did I buy the SACD Dark side of the Moon for only 9.95? I conclude, get it below a tenner and I'll buy it out of curiosity. Terry "O" PS: Anybody think the Stones & now Bowie are taking the P**s with thier concert ticket prices, much like the Hammersmith prices in 2001. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:47:01 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Balls or sprays? - ----- Original Message ----- From: worst of all the inappropriacy of fans not wearing a deoderant while sitting within 5 rows of me at a concert. > Jocelyn > NP Nelly."It's getting hot in Here" (so please god, don't take off all your clothes) > GOD! Isn't that the PITS!, I was next to a, let's say Overly ample lady at a PetSop Boys show once all I can say . . . PEWWWWHHHH! Terry O'Sure. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:52:05 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Opinions & only opinions Marlana. I have merely been writing about two people Bryan and David who have been the voice of conscious of my generation. Of course these matters are trifling, and pale into insignificance in comparison to personal tragedy. Please accept my best wishes. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.M.K." To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:00 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Opinions & only opinions > Again Mark, I do admire your compassion for what you believe in. But as > I have loved Bryan Ferry's music for many yrs.For me my life hasn't > changed one way or the other because I listen or see his concerts.My > life just in the the last few yrs. had some tragedy that was almost more > than one human could bare. One can survive or you can give up. I had > Ferry's music which comforted me at times as I listened to it. But it > never kept my tragedy from happening.I guess is what I'm trying to > say.Marlana...................................................... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:31:22 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Balls or sprays? - ---------- >Von: Jocelynfiske@aol.com >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: [AVALON] Balls or sprays? >Datum: Fre, 11. Jul 2003 14:16 Uhr > >Chris Turner wrote: >>Personally I've never experienced any "fan unfriendliness", although I >have been aware of rudeness, over familiarity and inappropriacy from fans >towards the band on many occasions dare I say even from members of this >august forum. > >Personally I've experienced "fan to fan unfriendliness", and have witnessed >rudeness, over familiarity bordering on sexual harassment and worst of all >the inappropriacy of fans not wearing a deoderant while sitting within 5 >rows of me at a concert. Yes, but the chemist told me I'd come across as very male when OD'ing on Neroli. Now that was why I suddenly had a row of my own. Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:36:40 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie/sacd/dsotm. In a message dated 11/07/2003 17:42:36 GMT Standard Time, frantic22@btopenworld.com writes: > Anybody think the Stones & now Bowie are taking the P**s with thier > concert ticket prices, much like the Hammersmith prices in 2001. > > It is absolutely ridiculous, I could talk about these prices for hours on end. Even though I have bought tickets for both Stones and Bowie shows, for both of which you have to be in the "fan club", which also costs extra, I do not approve at all. These people are already multi-millionaires or more or whatever, and then charge the earth. The prices for the Stones are the cost of a small holiday (who now wishes she had taken the holiday instead of the Stones tickets) Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:42:18 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Jones Beach Hi. 2 weeks from tonight! If anyone would like to meet pre-concert, email me off-list and we'll make arrangements to meet inside the venue. Regards, Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:40:53 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Defence of Bryan Ferry??? Once again, Mark misses the relevant point Wish i had a Teddy Bear to turn to, to give me guidance. just like you have KB. Your either Fickle or a Hypocrite. the choice is yours. if you can't decide....."Ask Teddy" Regards. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Defence of Bryan Ferry??? > From Mark Yates: "Why is it that one of our list members > was preaching how her faith in Bryan had been restored, has > now taken the first opportunity to Kick him yet > again.(fickle) or what? I don't care how much money he > makes, just like his private life it's really none of my > business." > > > Once again, Mark misses the relevant point of the > discussion, this time one started by John O'B! > > I believe John is totally within his right to express, what > I feel, is a valid observation: There is little to no > effort placed forward originating from the Ferry Camp that > remotely suggests any thought is given toward satisfying the > consumer: The little things that could be done toward that > satisfaction have nothing to do with anyone's private life! > John has productively made suggestions that are easy to > effect, thereby positively affecting and reinforcing the > loyalty of BF's fans. > > Certainly, Kari's post made me very happy and it did restore > my faith in 'the professional life/work of Bryan Ferry as a > personable artist, but I am not as fickle as you would > pretend, Mark. - I did not 'kick' BF, and the > interpretations that you have given John O'Brien's and my > previous post underscores (something that I will not write, > since you have an axe to grind). > > Best wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:22:14 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] Teddy aint working Hey KBP. All this constant chat you seem to continually harp on about Bryans divorce, plus the bitter nature of your correspondence. It doesn't take a Freudian mind to work out your personal mind-set. may I make so bold as to suggest you seek professional counselling for your problems."And I aint talking the F**cking Teddy bear ere" I'm talking real one to one therapy. IF you find that embarrassing and it would trouble you to seek professional advice. can I suggest that you set the washing machine on SPIN cycle and SIT ON IT.........therefore helping to relieve at least some of the bent up frustration that ails your frigid persona. Good bye list. Mark. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:28:39 +0200 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? ----- Original Message ----- > From: > worst of all the inappropriacy of fans not wearing a deoderant while sitting > within 5 rows of me at a concert. > > > Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:56:48 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] GREAT Balls of sprays? In a message dated 11/07/2003 20:29:08 GMT Standard Time, thebogusman@interfree.it writes: > > 5 rows of me at a concert. > > Ciao Jocelyn > > Was the kid me??? > maybe i was smelling like a wet dog > cose all the rain in Rome No my little Roman candle, You smelt delightful, as most Roman males aware of their moths to a flame attraction do - even the faux gladiators at the Coliseum. And BTW I have it on good authority that Floris have used mildew as the inspiration for their next opus. The culprit was much closer to home, male and evidently totally unaware of his little problem (and it's not Reecey, Ivor or John O'B who all bizarrely smell of Marmite and rubber). If you need to know if you have the Lynx factor e-mail me off list. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:34:29 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Inappropriate behaviour! > In a message dated 11/07/2003 14:10:25 GMT Daylight Time, tmoq@pipeline.com > writes: > > > > Oh PLEEZE! Girls just want to have fun, right? > > > > That is not fun, that is invasion of privacy. Perhaps in a perfect world and the last time I looked we were a long way from there. If he`s sitting in his Lazyboy throwing back a few and they barge into his house, then and only then it`s invasion of privicy. When in a public place he`s at the mercy at whatever comes his way. There is no way Ferry should have expected to be left alone in a public place. That`s the price of stardom, like it or not. I know that...you know that...he sure as hell should have known that. A stunt like that makes me wonder if perhaps he was looking for a little free press. > And they are middle-aged women, they should know better. Yes, they should have been at home cooking for hubby and awaiting his call to "assume the position." Gene....sending out his call to "assume the position." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 04:30:41 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl (2HB) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon SACD At 08:50 11-07-2003 -0400, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: ... > Avalon on SACD? who honestly cares? > >What incentive is there for anybody to buy Avalon on SACD? Unless one is an audiophile or fanatic collector, the average consumer doesn't care much To get the most out of a SACD, one needs a special player and upgrade the rest of the audio system to High End. ... > Does anybody own the Frantic dvd? Can you tell the exclusive mix of >'Hiroshima...' from the regular mix? Nope me neither. >Another total waste of time and money. > >J After 20 years the CD comes to its end and needs a replacement (read: the industry is creating new needs) Currently (again) the industry is fighting a system battle and the leaders, Pioneer/Panasonic (DVD) vs. Philips/Sony (SACD) are in full marketing swing with all kinds of campaigns, e.g. (Sony press launch for the Avalon SACD at the Groucho Club) Home cinema systems are becoming more and more popular and since such a system is built around DVD with all its options, like karaoke, photoalbum stills etc., one can only guess who will win this battle. I think SACD slowly go a quiet dead like Quadraphony and DAT 2HB ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #195 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest