From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #183 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, July 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Cancelled show [Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com] [AVALON] The refund [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Roxy - cacellation. ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] The Cancellation [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin ["Mark Stephens" ] [AVALON] Thirty years ago today... ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Roxy song on AFI tribute to Robert DiNiro ["Nicholas Laquintano"] [AVALON] wish list [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] wish list/ Cancellation [InterEireann@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Cancellation ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin ["frantic22" ] [AVALON] Sad News [OBrienFerry@aol.com] [AVALON] Very sad news... ["S.Thomsen" ] [AVALON] oh no ["danyellow" ] RE: [AVALON] Sad News ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Sad News ["Therese O'Donnell" ] Re: [AVALON] Sad News [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Sad News ["M" ] Fwd: [AVALON] The Cancellation [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Sad News [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Re : (Avalon) Sad News [Johnny Reece ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:22:04 +0100 From: Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com Subject: [AVALON] Cancelled show Reecey, I for one am gutted that the show has been cancelled. Two days in London, away from the wife and bairns, watching Roxy Music is my idea of heaven. Sure we've been spoilt rotten over the last few years, but after 20 years of near starvation I was enjoying the feast to the full while it lasted. Cheers, Len - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving the HBOS network. HBOS will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or as a result of any virus being passed on. HBOS reserves the right to monitor and record e-mail messages sent to and from this address for the purposes of investigating or detecting any unauthorised use of its system and ensuring its effective operation. HBOS plc, Registered in Scotland No. SC218813. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. HBOS plc is a holding company, subsidiaries of which are regulated by the Financial Services Authority. ============================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:00:08 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The refund In a message dated 01/07/2003 09:05:50 GMT Daylight Time, frantic22@btopenworld.com writes: > Perhaps I should use my refund (should I get one, has anyone had any news > on > this? ) on seeing some new bands. > > When I rang the people I bought my tickets from I was told that I would get an automatic refund on my credit card. If the card is not credited by this Friday, they will look into it they said. New bands to see (I think): Yeah Yeah Yeahs (I quite like their album). Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:15:13 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy - cacellation. Johnny wrote :- "Half seem to be genuinely disappointed, but the other half seemingly not too bothered, as they were unsure whether it was a good idea to resurrect once again, particularly with what would very likely be virtually the same set as 2001". Personally I wouldn`t have minded the same set as 2001. I would have course been looking forward to a couple of unexpected "goodies" perhaps but one has to be realistic and expect the set to have a decidedly populist context . Anyway, it is two years already since I went to the last Roxy gig so one every two years is fine by me!! What I was not looking forward to one iota was the possibility of the venue being only half full. Having monitored the seats available by the ticket agencies on a regular basis I don`t think they were selling particularly well. By last Friday there were tickets available for middle arena seats which indicates that there was still the rear arena and the tiered seating to sell - and just three weeks to go. As I had some friends attending who had never seen the band before, I was looking forward to as much enjoyment seeing them having a good time, with an enthusiastic audience, as I would have enjoyed seeing Roxy myself in full swing again. A half empty venue takes the heart and soul out of a show I feel and would have been a big disappointment. Being a "one off" I was hoping for a Glasgow type gig complete with people stamping their feet and the full Roxy chant and everyone having an unforgettable experience. For new folks who have never seen the band before what better intro to Roxy, in the open air, on a lovely summers evening (hopefully), could one possibly imagine? So therefore I am both sad and perhaps relieved at the same time. Lets just hope the band feel disposed towards another venue later in the UK sometime - any hope?? Regards to all, Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] review of Roxy live album at salon.com/vivaroxymusic.com highlighted There is a brief, but positive, review at: http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/07/01/wwlt_july_1 And the hypertext "Roxy Music" leads to vivaroxymusic.com. Congratulations, JO'B! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:45:24 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy - cacellation. on 1/7/03 10:15 am, Nigel Hollis at nigelhollis@europeanmarine.co.uk wrote: > By last Friday there were tickets available for middle arena seats which > indicates that there was still the rear arena and the tiered seating to sell - > and just three weeks to go I'm not sure if this is right Nigel as the middle arena was part of the more expensive Golden Circle seating which I imagine many people won't have thought it worth paying extra for and will have opted for the cheaper Standard seating in the rear arena and tiers. I heard it was selling pretty well. Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:59:49 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Cancellation "Any views on this ? A lot of people seemed unsure of the whole idea." One word sums the gamut of emotional responses that are personally evoked by news of a Roxy Music performance or cancellation: Ambivalence. Tempered with condition, the ambivalence I feel is that of wanting, wishing a Great Companion all the success and happiness they desire to garner, while yet sensing an ambiguous fear that all the wonderful dreams of this Great Companion may never be fully realized and appreciated. The Holy Grail is Roxy Music. One may not expect anything new from them, only rehashed 'oldies but goodies'. - Projecting one's desire to hear something new and refreshing, especially if one is wanting that new thing to be similar to their old school work is nothing short of planning a self-imposed let-down. No. Only new but witty and relevant material would do - but what is Roxy Music without 'roxy music'? They must move forward - in the words of a great lyricist who once wrote, "got to keep on moving or I'll die" - Roxy Music (and Bryan Ferry) must find the heart to create something anew, or they will remain mere 'inspiration for current and future artists', relegated to footnote history. I am very sad there seems to be very little movement. I have to make a decision to either cleanup my childhood teddy bear or to toss the deeply loved but dirty repaired critter into the trash one day with my eyes tightly shut. I don't really want to do that, but Teddy's one good eye glassily looks at me as though he has finished with decision making. Kleenex, please. I don't like visiting Teddy's room anymore, maybe I'll take him to the grave with me. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:13:42 +0100 From: "Mark Stephens" Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin Got to say I am dissapointed at another chance of seeing them live again, even though the set list would be so predictable, I guess we have all been listening to so many boots of the same set list it has become a bit much. It would have been worthwhile just to hear another surprise slipped in, like the Albert Hall when Ferry surprised everyone with Just like you, and the first time on the Frantic tour Ferry did The Thrill Of It All. I still remember the pleasure of hearing More Than This and If There Is Something on the Roxy tour 2001, and the first time I had heard For Your Pleasure live, Surely there would have been at least one more track for the new tour, wouldn't there? What would your missing link be, the one track you have waited all those years to hear again or maybe for the first time live? I would be interested in your views. Is there any UK fans that dissapointed that they will be travelling to the States or Portugal? Regards, Mark . ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin - --- Mark Stephens wrote: What would your missing link be, the > one track you have waited > all those years to hear again >> It's got to be Beauty Queen, closely followed by A Really Good Time... Reecey... . . . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:42:09 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Thirty years ago today... ...Brian Eno left Roxy Music. Whatever happened to that guy? Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:32:40 +0000 From: "Nicholas Laquintano" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy song on AFI tribute to Robert DiNiro Not sure if anyone saw this, but this past weekend I caught the AFI award show for Robert DiNiro (i think i spelled his name wrong) on USA Network. Anyway, when Sean Penn was introduced and was heading towards the podium to speak, they played "Love is the Drug" on the loudspeakers. They also played snippets of "Love is the Drug" when they were showing clips from Casino. I don't remember that song being in movie. - not sure though. Nick SF CA _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:34:28 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] wish list > one track you have waited > all those years to hear again >> Beauty Queen is the most obvious, however I'd LOVE to hear Prairie Rose live, I think Hell will freeze over before Ferry sings about Texas Girls again. What are the chances for Always Unknowing? About the same as for Hula Kula, I'd imagine. (No I don't want to hear HK, REALLY) Manifesto or Nightingale wouldn't be bad either. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:27:34 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] wish list/ Cancellation Ok..briefly..on the wish list front...Chance Meeting, 2HB, Nightingale , Whirlwind, Serenade, Prairie Rose..on the cancellation front, I am disappointed. Even if substantially the same as the 2001 tour I can more than bear every two years the Oh Yeah and others mini-set, to get to listen to RM/RM, Ladytron, OOTB, MOP , A Song For Europe etc....and with the chance of a surprise thrown in...definitely more than bearable. On the Frantic tour I heard the Thrill of it All Live for the first time in 27 odd years..worth the price of admission..perhaps I am lost in nostalgia but..more of the same two years after would do me fine! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:25:20 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Cancellation To be quite honest Reecey. I'm not that bothered. Just hope that Ferry drops Manzanera and Mackay as soon as poss! And gets back into the studio to work on another solo masterpiece. The reunion tour was great, and the new album is fine, the more I listen to it the better I like it. BUT. I've just been listening to Manifesto, it must be over a year since I last played it. And after listening to "My Little Girl" (a track I have always tended to skip). I can't for the life of me understand why Ferry bothers with these two. even on Manifesto. its clear that the better work is the solo Ferry work. "spin my round", stronger through the years. "ain't that so" "Say hello wave goodbye" to Roxy Bryan, and push on. As the kinks once sang "No more looking back" Regards. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Reece" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: [AVALON] The Cancellation > Re : The Hyde Park concert being cancelled - I've > heard quite a few different views on this one, both on > and off list. Half seem to be genuinely disappointed, > but the other half seemingly not too bothered, as they > were unsure whether it was a good idea to resurrect > once again, particularly with what would very likely > be virtually the same set as 2001. > Any views on this ? > A lot of people seemed unsure of the whole idea. > Is that because of the almost constant touring since > 1999, I wonder ?, in a 'familiarity is breeding > contempt' type of way ? > Would like to hear a few opinions on this. > Personally, whilst I looked forward to the gig, it > didn't (well, couldn't) have the same feeling as 2001, > for obvious reasons. > Still, a consolation at least is that Avalonians won't > be showing themselves up in front of everyone else in > the audience at Hyde Park, by constantly bobbing up > and down in their seats all night, turning round and > looking behind them, confused and embarrassingly > unsure of the exact current stated etiquette re > sitting or standing. :) > > Reecey... > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:13:29 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin From: "Johnny Reece" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Cancellatin > > > It's got to be Beauty Queen, closely followed by A > Really Good Time... > > > Reecey... I'd go with both of those, also Just Like You. These are the sort of songs I someday hope to hear BF doing accompanied by only himself on piano in a smoky club somewhere. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:51:51 +0100 From: "Routley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] london concert . - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: Date: 01 July 2003 19:46 Subject: RE: [AVALON] london concert i bet this will be a first for many on the list . as most delete my messages . lve heard from a little bird that the london concert may still be on as theres another organiser who wishes toput the show on for the right money . as grand master flash says its all about money? > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:45:30 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Televsion Roxy connection It must have been late in '77. I was in town and had the choice of buying either "HA HA HA" by Ultravox or "MARQUEE MOON" by Television. I had heard good reports on both albums, I was already a fan of Ultravox, but Television where then completely new to me. In the end I opted to buy both albums, I found as expected that "HA HA HA" was brilliant tracks such as While I'm still alive and Distant smile along with the brilliant "Hiroshima mon amour. I still play the album its fantastic. After listening to the Ultravox I put on "Marquee moon" I was lead to believe that Television were a ground breaking new band from the states, almost a new velvets with a bit of Dylan thrown in for good measure. In fact what I discovered was they were then, are to this day "with recent reformed concerts" one of the most over rated bands that I have heard. Tom Verline suffers from delusions of grandeur if he thinks Roxy ripped him off. He and his band are musically weak, his lyrics are even worse. The arrogance of this pathetic, whingeing, talentless "git" is only to be expected considering his sales of the album were poor. and they were poor not because somebody had tried to "rip him off" but because it was S**T. Tom Verlaine is not worthy to tie Ferry's bootlaces. Regards. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: [AVALON] Televsion Roxy connection > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eRacerX" > > > > but who else has an intense love for a band/artist that is not > > > remotely related to Ferry/Roxy? > > > > > Television, Tom Verlaine > > > > - H. > > Eno worked and played with television. I remember a story in which Verlaine > accused ferry of stealing ideas from him > > Here it is.... > TOM VERLAINE INTERVIEW > by George Elliott > > In 1976, on assignment with CRAWDADDY MAGAZINE I met Verlaine in the > midtown NYC Wartoke offices during the recording of Television's first album > MARQUEE MOON (winter 1976.) This fragment survived over the years. > TV: > (re the Eno/Island Records-funded demo fiasco) > > -the only thing I can tell you about it would be bad! I mean I like > Eno, I like his records... The bad thing about it is there was a very uncool > A&R guy who took the tapes back to London and played 'em for every fucking > artist on Island Records, so-& like I tell that to people but they don't > believe it, it happens a lot, especially with the English... I mean they > ripped off a whole fucking artform from Americans. And their whole esthetic > is like if they hear something that's good it just sorta comes in their ear > and goes out their mouth y'know-and most of 'em have the means to like set > something on vinyl really quickly, crank out the stuff, so yeah, so there's > a lot of lines that are on our record (MM) that might strike some people as > familiar even though the songs are like 4 years old...specifically, a lot of > the lines turned up on Roxy Music's SIREN record-at least a dozen! Some I > got so distressed about I said 'Well FUCK! -if he's gonna take THESE lines! > I mean how can I prove it, I can't prove it, right? But you know... > > GE > Quote some, I'm very familiar with that album... > > TV: > One of them is 'My heart stopped' and the whole band stops... > > GE: (quoting Ferry) > 'Will it stop?' (Sentimental Fool) > > TV: > Right, which is a move we used to do in 'Venus de Milo' ...which I got > bored with and changed anyway. Another thing is 'This case is closed' at the > end of - see, I only heard the album twice, I got so like pissed off when I > heard it I took it out and sold it (laughing) didn't want to hear it > again!... And there was this thing about little birdcalls I think on one of > the songs. > > GE: > "Nightingale" > > TV: > Right- we used to have like a (chirp-whistles imitating a bird) kind > of effect on a song called 'Prove It'...another thing is on the tape I did > for Eno I did a certain style of playing piano-a certain kind of harmony > with two hands- which showed up in their keyboards on I believe the second > song on the first side ("End of the Line") just a certain way like- but I > can't claim originality for that, it was just curious that even THAT showed > up... and then we had, the song 'Venus de Milo' the whole SUBject of it is > Love is a drug, I mean there's even a line in it "It's all just like a new > kind of drug" -and then there's this Roxy song (chuckling) on SIREN 'Love is > the Drug'! ... Bryan Ferry's known as a thief y'know, everybody sort of > knows it... > > Han > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eRacerX" > To: "Avalon" > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Twain meeting > > > > > but who else has an intense love for a band/artist that is not > > > remotely related to Ferry/Roxy? > > > > > Television, Tom Verlaine > > > > - H. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:00:38 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Televsion Roxy connection >Tom Verlaine is not worthy to tie Ferry's bootlaces.Regards.Mark.< I agree. If someone from Roxy heard a bit off that tape that they then translated into the brilliance that is Siren, then Verlaine should consider that and only that the glittering contribution of his blandly derivative career. You would have to scrape my ego off the ceiling with a trowel if Bryan Ferry took one of my ideas and used it. There were a lot of synchronic events taking place in music during that era, a time when art was nearly real-time with culture. More than likely they simply had some common cultural influences. Ultravox is one of the best bands to come out of that period. I used to write on stationery I created that repeated the phrase "I Want to be a Machine" all the way down it. Psychedelic Furs was another comparable to Ultravox. Music noir. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:02:32 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Sad News I have been asked to pass on this sad news: <<< SNIP>>> My friend Caroline Torterat passed away today after a long and brave battle with cancer. I'm writing this note to you because I know she was very active among the fans of Roxy Music and her name is mentioned on your site as a contributor of photographs. I think she was involved in some groups/mailing lists; maybe you have a way to pass the sad news. Laurent <<< SNIP>>> Those of you who have met Caroline like I did on several occasions will know how charming and wonderful a person she was and will be as saddened and shocked as I am. I had no idea of the extent of her illness, may she rest in peace. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:42:52 +0200 From: "S.Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] Very sad news... Very very sad news from Paris. I and Holle from Denmark met her last September for the Ferry concerts in Paris. I also met her in London for the last Roxy show. And what a warm person she was! She even arranged tickets and DVD's for persons she met through the Avalon group. She will be remembered and missed from all who met her. Stefan, Denmark ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:15:51 +0200 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] oh no plase tell me is not true she's been always so cute and nice and gentle i miss her ddd > I have been asked to pass on this sad news: > > <<< SNIP>>> > My friend Caroline Torterat passed away today after a long and brave battle > with cancer. I'm writing this note to you because I know she was very active > among the fans of Roxy Music and her name is mentioned on your site as a > contributor of photographs. I think she was involved in some groups/mailing > lists; maybe you have a way to pass the sad news. > > Laurent > <<< SNIP>>> > > Those of you who have met Caroline like I did on several occasions will know > how charming and wonderful a person she was and will be as saddened and > shocked as I am. I had no idea of the extent of her illness, may she rest in peace. > > J.O'B. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:38:05 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Sad News I'm very upset to hear this awful news. Thanks to Caroline, myself and other Avalonians were able to sit in the front row at both of last year's Paris shows, and she made me feel like I had a friend in a strange town. Suddenly the reason for her frailty at those shows becomes obvious and I deeply regret that I didn't mail her more recently. Bryan Ferry could scarcely have had a more enthusiastic fan. She so loved to talk about him, and came to the British shows as well as the French ones. She was so a regular contributor to this forum. I will remember her kindness and especially her humour for a long time to come. God bless, Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of OBrienFerry@aol.com Sent: 01 July 2003 22:03 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Sad News My friend Caroline Torterat passed away today after a long and brave battle with cancer. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:57:11 +0100 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: [AVALON] Sad News I am so sorry to read this news. Caroline was a lovely person indeed and I had the pleasure to encounter her ebullience ast year. It is a fitting tribute to her memory that people remember her for her kindness and joie de vivre. As John O'B says, may she rest in peace. Therese ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:13:47 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad News Frankly, there has been little to inspire me to write of late, but I was just about to reply to Reecey's recent mailing of Roxy disappointment when I hear this news. Boy, it kinda puts it all into perspective for me. Caroline was a great lass. It even translates into French. We had a running gag that we'd try and get eachother front row seats in exchange for a packet of Trebor extra strong mints (apparently unobtainable in Paris) She never fell short of her half of the bargain. I wondered the last time I saw her, just what was the medication it was that she was taking. It made her ill after the Ferry concert and we were all very concerned for her well being. But Caroline obviously didn't want to spoil anyone's enjoyment by worrying us about what the real problem was. That was typically selfless of her. All I can say is that she'll be greatly missed, particularly the next time I visit Paris for whatever reason. And I''m thankful that I had a chance to meet her through this forum. This place is and will always be about people. An extra strong to you my friend. J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:27:49 -0400 From: "M" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad News > Those of you who have met Caroline like I did on several occasions will know > how charming and wonderful a person she was and will be as saddened and > shocked as I am. I had no idea of the extent of her illness, may she rest in peace. I never got the chance to meet Caroline. We were suppose to meet up last fall in London and go out for a fancy tea. She had also considered going to the NY show but was unable to travel. Sadly, the chance to meet her has now gone. M ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:45:43 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] The Cancellation In a message dated 02/07/2003 00:44:29 GMT Standard Time, Jocelynfiske writes: > > >> Would like to hear a few opinions on this. >> Personally, whilst I looked forward to the gig, it >> didn't (well, couldn't) have the same feeling as 2001, >> for obvious reasons. > > > A number of us have for some time been screaming from the roof tops that > Triple A couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, so it comes as no great > surprise that their ineptitude has resulted in The Hyde Park show collapsing like > a pack of ill stacked cards. They pulled the same stunt last year, leaving it > til the last moment to pay monies due to the Parks Authorities, and sailed > very close to the wire before being granted a license to put on the Route of > Kings Concerts. Well they weren't so clever this year. But meanwhile we were > subject to a bunch of dullards at the so called sharp end selling us inflated > tickets from not one, not two, but three different seating plans. Needless to > say, no one had the definitive seating plan until it was printed on the back > of the tickets. And I certainly wouldn't trust anything sent from Triple A > themselves. > So from that point of view it has been pisser from the off. > However, once we got past that hurdle I was really looking forward to seeing > our mates from France, Holland, Australia and the good ol' US of A for whom > we'd sorted tickets. Who compensates them for air fares eh? > That aside (and once I'd dumped the it' s been a debacle and I'm staying in > the Champagne Bar out of protest attitude) I was looking forward to the very > good likelihood of Pyjamerama being included in the set - but the absolute > certainty that Beauty Queen wouldn't be. > And contrary to Mark's view, the thing that makes seeing Roxy very special > to me is Andy. So Phil, Paul and Andy, dump Bryan and get down to Ronnie > Scott's to play a set of your co-scripted toons, I'm sure we'll find something to > shake our booties to. Prairie Rose, Song For Europe and Hula Kula anyone? > > J Return-path: From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Full-name: Jocelynfiske Message-ID: <17b.1cb04ac5.2c3376dd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:44:29 EDT Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Cancellation To: reecey593@yahoo.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > Would like to hear a few opinions on this. > Personally, whilst I looked forward to the gig, it > didn't (well, couldn't) have the same feeling as 2001, > for obvious reasons. A number of us have for some time been screaming from the roof tops that Triple A couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, so it comes as no great surprise that their ineptitude has resulted in The Hyde Park show collapsing like a pack of ill stacked cards. They pulled the same stunt last year, leaving it til the last moment to pay monies due to the Parks Authorities, and sailed very close to the wire before being granted a license to put on the Route of Kings Concerts. Well they weren't so clever this year. But meanwhile we were subject to a bunch of dullards at the so called sharp end selling us inflated tickets from not one, not two, but three different seating plans. Needless to say, no one had the definitive seating plan until it was printed on the back of the tickets. And I certainly wouldn't trust anything sent from Triple A themselves. So from that point of view it has been pisser from the off. However, once we got past that hurdle I was really looking forward to seeing our mates from France, Holland, Australia and the good ol' US of A for whom we'd sorted tickets. Who compensates them for air fares eh? That aside (and once I'd dumped the it' s been a debacle and I'm staying in the Champagne Bar out of protest attitude) I was looking forward to the very good likelihood of Pyjamerama being included in the set - but the absolute certainty that Beauty Queen wouldn't be. And contrary to Mark's view, the thing that makes seeing Roxy very special to me is Andy. So Phil, Paul and Andy, dump Bryan and get down to Ronnie Scott's to play a set of your co-scripted toons, I'm sure we'll find something to shake our booties to. Prairie Rose, Song For Europe and Hula Kula anyone? J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sad News On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > I have been asked to pass on this sad news: > > <<< SNIP>>> > My friend Caroline Torterat passed away today after a long and brave battle > with cancer. I'm writing this note to you because I know she was very active > among the fans of Roxy Music and her name is mentioned on your site as a > contributor of photographs. I think she was involved in some groups/mailing > lists; maybe you have a way to pass the sad news. > > Laurent > <<< SNIP>>> > > Those of you who have met Caroline like I did on several occasions will > know how charming and wonderful a person she was and will be as saddened > and shocked as I am. I had no idea of the extent of her illness, may she > rest in peace. I never got the chance to meet Caroline, but of course I knew her through her contributions to the list. My deepest sympathy to those of you among us who were her friends. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Re : (Avalon) Sad News I am deeply saddened to hear of this news. Many of us met Caroline for the first time, during the As Time Goes By tour, in Paris, in 2000. We had met many times since - Hammersmith, AMA2 plans, Olympia, Paris last year (when, amazingly, she procured 15 front row seats for us all, for 2 nights, for the Bryan Ferry gig). I hope no-one minds if I briefly relay a couple of little details which stick in my mind : Caroline was instrumental in getting the ball rolling for so many things which directly affected many here on this forum - A Mad Affair 2 party, for starters, her tireless enthusiastic journeys and phone calls around Paris looking for suitable venues never failed to amaze me, and it was always done with that inimitable cheery smile, happy in the knowledge that she was doing something she felt was really worthwhile, for her friends. Her dogged determination in tracking down Ferry and Roxy TV spots from French and Belgian TV, so we could all share in them... Tracking down rare French CDs and DVDs for me which I casually mentioned I would love to have in my own collection one day - and then me discovering them landing on my doormat, only days later... Arranging places for so many of us to meet in Paris for various concerts/events... and I could go on. We had bounced emails back and forth in recent times, and she only touched very briefly on her illness, which some of us knew about, though, in the end, it turns out we actually knew so little, in reality. The last contacts I had with her was firstly when she said she was unable to attend AMA2 in Amsterdam, then once again recently when she was sorry she couldn't attend Hyde Park, but 'thanks for thinking of me' and wished everyone a great time. Caroline always seemed to be at her happiest, when seeing and making sure her close friends and family were happy themselves. As Jocelyn so rightly said, this list is all about people. And I am very sad that so many of us have lost such a friend. God bless. Reecey... . . . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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