From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #179 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, June 28 2003 Volume 08 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Roxy vs Doors - give me a break! [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] Song for USA? [Karin Whitney ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] [AVALON] HYDE PARK CANCELLED [] [AVALON] Another time another place/ No more song for USA :-) ["danyellow] [AVALON] Roxy Music in Hyde Park, London, July 16th 2003 ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy vs Doors - give me a break! [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? ["Routley" ] RE: [AVALON] More U.S. Dates? ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Ferry vs. Doors....... [LottieStreeter2@cs.com] Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors ["Keith Shockley" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:29:32 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy vs Doors - give me a break! From: "Don Schultz, Jr." Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors (he said) "Roxy was not a patch on the Doors/Jim Morrison". I am curious what anyone else may think about comparing these two bands Lynn from Wigan - ----------------------------------------- Oh how time and a good old fashioned rock n roll death colours peoples perception! Its remarkable - the average Joe and Josephine caring not a jot for Nirvana and then one pop with the old handgun and out come the live releases and all of a sudden its "Nevermind", 3rd greatest album of all time (behind the ever predictable DSOTM and Peppers).... yawn and isnt it funny how unpopular Janis Joplin was when she was alive now theres never a bad word uttered! Queen for years the recieving end of many a ritual clubbing from the media following Freds death they were the single greatest rock band to come out of Britain (because it takes 30 years for the red tops to catch up with the record buyers). Lets be realistic - Im good friends with a few Doors fans and even they will freely admit out af a blockbusting career of six albums from the junkie fool and his 3 faceless chorts of LA nerds only two of them were any good (The Doors and Strange Days) - after that its cheese (Peace Frog, Touch Me) all the way and self parody (Riders On The Storm, The Soft Parade) - Morrison had a great voice and a promise in (dare I say it) his youth before he set a rather disgusting trend of reckless rock star makes great music, reckless rockstar cuses trouble and gets lots of media attention then rockstar promptly makes a bunch of really bad albums that sell on the hype (Axl Rose, Marilyn Manson, Oasis... hell lets be honest - even the Happy Mondays!)... They make a good best of not because they had a ton of hits but for the simple reason they just didnt have that much great material. Roxy on the other hand - well, im preaching to the converted..... we all know and if you dont why are you on this mailing list LOL! I recommend playing Viva! to him very loud about 14 times. This should correct any discrepancies. Dr Chris Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:10:08 -0700 From: Karin Whitney Subject: [AVALON] Song for USA? Actually Dan, a small portion of the US population is into the Dead(the Grateful Dead no longer exist, as Jerry Garcia, the front man and lead guitarist is dead, may he RIP)and the newly reformed Dead are on an east coast tour with special guests, Steve Winwood & Bob Dylan, to name a few. The Grateful Dead are infamous for their covers of Dylan tunes(like Ferry himself)and Dylan has played with them on numerous occasions. Their main lyracist(Robert Hunter)is an incredible bard and poet, on a scale with Dylan. How do I know this, you may ask? I'm a deadhead living in the greater Bay area(San Francisco Bay, that is.) The Grateful Dead are known as the ultimate jam band, tight musically with incredible improvisational style, which is why so many jazz artists play with them, such as Alphonso Johnson and Branford Marsalis. I'm also a big Roxy/Ferry fan who once gave up Dead shows to see two Ferry performances, leaving my Dead friends amazed and confused. So, I guess the twain shall meet. It is all about being musically open-minded. Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:18:43 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:32:58 -0400 > From: Lyn > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors > > I am British , my husband is American and we live in North Carolina. On > a recent trip to the beach I thought it was the ideal opportunity to > give him a chance to become a fan of Roxy/Ferry. > I played several albums, Bete noir, Bride, Avalon, Frantic, Best of > etc--he hated it!! he said Ferry couldn't string more than 3 words > together!, songs were samey and Roxy was not a patch on the Doors/Jim > Morrison. Therein lies your problem - you played him the later stuff, try him on the first five Roxy albums, I'm sure that'll do the trick. Not a big Doors fan myself, got a couple of the albums, but Morrisson was a clumsy poet and a second-rate blues singer. I'm sure it made more sense at the time... BTW I was out shopping in Manchester yesterday and was walking back to the train station (Piccadilly) and saw a man wearing a Frantic t-shirt!!! Looked like it may have been the first time it had been worn as it looked very new. Was that you? SimonG ps I'd be interested to know how Wigan compares to North Carolina. How are the pies? ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:20:32 +0200 From: "Carien Overdijk" Subject: [AVALON] Bry on Dutch radio Yesterday-afternoon a pre-recorded interview with Bryan Ferry was broadcast on Dutch radio2 (avro), and luckily someone taped it for me. It was only a short talk, introducing Roxy's live album and looking back on the tour, finished off with the playing of Both Ends Burning, Ferry's own choice from the new album, 'because it's always been popular'. He SAID he hadn't heard the album yet. 'I tend not to bother. I just help to choose the performances (...) As we had made so many recordings, we decided to pick and choose from different countries.' Most of the interview was the standard exchange of politenesses in which Ferry seems to excell. He just about confirmed everything the interviewer (not a top one either) suggested, and mostly in similar words. He said the ATGB-tour of three years back set off the spark to start touring with Roxy again. He really enjoyed playing big arenas again instead of smaller venues. As highlights of the Roxytour he mentioned Rotterdam, Milan and LA. Some bits: 'The tour was better than I expected, really. We all seemed to get on very well [seemed - how British], no problems at all. Which is why we are going to do a couple of weeks of shows this July...' [interviewer: so it's been worth it, waiting for, I guess, 18 years?] 'Yes, some things are...' (audible grin) [and financially it was worth it, also?] Pause 'That was another good reason for doing it, yes' [why not be honest about it, that's also an aspect] 'Of course, yes, it is a part of life, yes, that worked out very well...' Would he have have ferreted out another million? We Dutch can be awfully blunt, but the interviewer omitted to pursue this strand... Anyway, if Bry and his musicians made a generous profit, I have gladly contributed.... Roxygreetz! Carien ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:30:55 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #178 I don't know how anyone can evaluate the talent of the Doors and Roxy Music in the same sentence. There are many groups and individuals who were and still are great and each have their own style and sound and lyrics and personalities, etc etc. I have always been a Dylan and Bruce fan; take Bob, Bruce and Bryan (hey, all Bs) can you compare any of them? I don't think so. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents! Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:33:00 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors Lynne's just phoned the ticket co to see where the Hyde Patk tickets were and they said it was cancelled. Anyone got any news ? Cheers Rob __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:36:42 +0000 From: Subject: [AVALON] HYDE PARK CANCELLED Sorry about title of last message ! Yeah, Lynne just called for the tickets and they said it's cancelled. Anyone heard anything ? Rob __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:38:12 +0200 From: "danyellow" Subject: [AVALON] Another time another place/ No more song for USA :-) Hi Karin HOOoo yes I can totally agree by the way the line was taken from a Ferry interwiew from the '70... He was bitter disappointed by the low success of that first gig i suppose the magazine is Ciao 2oo1 ( sic) 15 april 1973 the journalist question is: "What are your expectations from european audience?" Ferry's answer : "A modern audience , Open minded to avant garde perspectives, I believe this will be our challenge (revenge) after the bad USA experience. Only New York and Los Angeles are good places, but the rest of USA is in a total blackout dominated only by a sort of sense of violence... Give americans drug and six hours of Grateful Dead and You can be sure You made them happy..." sometimes I hate to have such a good memory :-) forgive me for my crappy translation ciao dan So, I guess the twain shall meet. It is all about being musically open-minded. Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:39:49 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Hyde Park, London, July 16th 2003 Roxy Music in Hyde Park, London, July 16th 2003 As some of you in the UK might already be aware, stories have appeared in the media this morning about problems concerning the 'Route of Kings' series of Hyde Park concerts, which includes an appearance by Roxy Music on the 16th of July. According to press reports, financial problems with the promoter Triple A may have placed not only Roxy Music's appearance in jeopardy, but also some of the other artists involved, such as Paul Weller. Not all of the artists who are scheduled to appear are being promoted by Triple A. I have spoken to Bryan Ferry's organisation both yesterday, during the Avalon SACD launch, and also this morning. I am advised that at this time, clarification of the situation is still being sought, and that every possibility of staging this event is being explored. I am hoping to have further clarification of the situation later today, and I will keep you fully informed as events unfold. I want to stress that none of the other Roxy Music dates are involved, and that as this appears to be an issue with the promoter, it is effectively out of the immediate control of either the band or their representatives. Regards Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk Sent: 27 June 2003 13:33 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors Lynne's just phoned the ticket co to see where the Hyde Patk tickets were and they said it was cancelled. Anyone got any news ? Cheers Rob ________________________________________________________________________ __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:35:26 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Schultz, Jr." To: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors > ------On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 Lyn wrote: > >I argued for the longevity of Ferry, the sucess of individual band members > >solo careers after Roxy--what did the Doors do after Morrison died? A little off topic F.Y.I here: Following the break up of The Stooges in '73, Ray Manzarek teamed up with Iggy Pop, James Williamson one of the Sales brothers on drums and Nigel Harrison (Blondie) on bass in a short lived band called Phantom. They would do Doors cover songs and Iggy would sing a la Morrison with a hood over his head which gave rise to all of the "Jim`s still alive" nonsense that went around the 70`s. They also performed at the Palladium for the Death Of Glitter show which was loosely touched on in the Velvet Goldmine movie.They produced one lack-luster album called The Divine Comedy then Manzarek was dropped from the band during the production of Iggy`s "Kill City". > Hey Lynn! > > I am an American & also live in North Carolina (born and raised) and if > it's any consolation I have absolutely NO Doors in my music library... > zero-zip-zilch-nada. > Never hooked me at all, got my fill of the Doorkskies on the radio, > thank-you-very-much. I wasn`t a Doors fan either until a couple of live bootlegs came my way and changed my attitude towards them. Like Roxy, the Doors were at their best live and their best material got no air play. (The Crystal Ship is my favorite Doors song....especially live versions. An excellent early performance can be found on the easily obtainable '67 Matrix Club bootleg.) Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:28:18 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy vs Doors - give me a break! "... They make a good best of not because they had a ton of hits but for the simple reason they just didnt have that much great material." Ah, sort a sounds like a back-handed stab at all the Roxy/Ferry 'Best Of's we've been treated to over time:) Some people 'get it' and some people 'get others' - no problem with that, is there? ... 'One man's treasure, another man's trash'. Reminds me, recycles are today! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:03:59 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy Music in Hyde Park, London, July 16th 2003 I forward this message from Bryan Ferry's Office to you with some regret: ROXY MUSIC CONCERT IN HYDE PARK ON JULY 16 IS CANCELLED. The Roxy Music Concert in Hyde Park on July 16 has been cancelled following a decision by The Royal Parks to not grant a license to AAA Entertainment who a failed to meet deadlines with deposits. Triple A Entertainment Limited, the promoters of the 'Route of Kings' concerts, have failed to meet agreed deadlines for the advance payment of event fees. As such it is with huge regret that The Royal Parks has been forced to advise Triple A that they do not have a license for the Route of Kings concerts. Subsequently AAA Entertainment have now gone into administration. Roxy Music's agent has been informed by AAA representatives that ticket holders should contact their point of purchase for a refund. A spokesman for Roxy Music commented " The band are upset and disappointed that they can't play at this one off concert. The cancellation was due to circumstances beyond their control and they regret the inconvenience to all The Roxy Music fans who've bought tickets in advance." Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:44:38 +0100 From: "Routley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: avalon Date: 27 June 2003 20:39 Subject: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging >was reading last night on the net about a pop star [english]. who got to hear about a certain fan who was moving loads of bootleg cds . the said pop star phoned the fan up and threatened him with voilence over the bootleg cds . is this how the pop industry deal with people? if only the story made the papers.... > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:41:23 -0400 From: "Strimples" Subject: [AVALON] More U.S. Dates? Does anybody have an idea if they will be announcing more dates for the U.S.? I am trying to finalize plans for seeing some shows. Thanks, Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:47:15 +0100 From: "Routley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? - -----Original Message----- From: Routley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 27 June 2003 19:44 Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? > >-----Original Message----- >From: kevin >To: avalon >Date: 27 June 2003 20:39 >Subject: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging > > and no its not bryan ...... >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ >>To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:29:59 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? I read a story years ago about how Robert Fripp found a personal classified ad in the Village Voice for someone selling bootleg recordings he'd made of King Crimson and Fripp's solo shows. Fripp called the fellow up, met with him for a drink, and lectured him on the wrongs of bootlegging (and possibly about criminal proceedings), and talked the guy into turning over his tapes. Of course, the guy probably kept a copy of his masters. Dave N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:29:40 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] More U.S. Dates? No further gigs, I was told yesterday. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Strimples Sent: 27 June 2003 19:41 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] More U.S. Dates? Does anybody have an idea if they will be announcing more dates for the U.S.? I am trying to finalize plans for seeing some shows. Thanks, Steve ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:45:39 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] a tale of bootlegging? In a message dated 27/06/2003 20:28:56 GMT Standard Time, david@neustudio.com writes: > someone selling bootleg recordings That is where the problem lies. Bootlegs are supposed to be swapped on a non-profit basis amongst fans only. If everybody adhered to that I don't think there would be much of a problem, as the artist would probably not find out. Advertising in papers/selling on ebay will eventually turn a hobby for thousands of people into a non-hobby. Anyway, a dedicated fan will buy all official releases, so I can't really see how the star will be out of pocket? A lot of bootlegs are of such quality that people who are not so dedicated would want them anyway. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:56:41 EDT From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry vs. Doors....... Dear Lynn from Wigan, First of all, welcome! I enjoyed your post, and here's what I think : I'm convinced a person either "hears" Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry for the wonder that they are, or they don't. My husband, for example, says Roxy/Ferry songs sound like they're being played "on the wrong speed". But I reply, "No...all OTHER music is on the wrong speed!" But I do know what he means... the intro of "Both Ends Burning" is a place where this technique can be clearly heard. Does anyone else hear it, too? Trying to get someone who doesn't appreciate Ferry/Roxy when they first hear it is like trying to get a Budweiser drinker to appreciate Don Perignon. The music of Roxy/Ferry transports you to a different place, and it's only natural to want to bring your loved ones along...but consider : would the place be the same if it were crowded with a lot of people with middle-of-the-road taste? Enjoy what you and your husband DO share, and you always have us to know that you're not crazy and you're not alone....(-; Ultimately it lends Roxy/Ferry cachet that comparitively few of us (especially in this country) are cool enough/deep enough -- or just have the right ear, I don't know! -- to fully appreciate them. When you do meet a fellow Roxy/Ferry fan, you are so glad! But when you encounter a self-proclaimed Rolling Stones fan, for example, what does it really mean? Lottie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:57:50 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Ferry versus Doors > Lynne's just phoned the ticket co to see where the Hyde Patk tickets were and they said it was cancelled. > > Anyone got any news ? > > Cheers > Rob Yes, it's my understanding that Hyde Park officials found out that Eno was no longer with the band and opted instead to book The Doors of the 21st Century, not realizing that Jim Morrison was no longer with the band. But seriously, if you haven't already heard the scoop, details are available at www.roxyrama.com . keith np: Be the Rain / Neil Young ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #179 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest