From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #161 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 08 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] Same old scene [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] Roxy Music Live CD ["richard-mandy" ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #160 ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] Really Good Time [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Editions Of You [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:22:53 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:08:26 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? It's a delusion of the true obsessive that Ferry (or whoever the subject of a particular obsession may be) is so subtle a peformer that he's providing new insights into (say) DREAM HOME HEARTACHE on the thousandth performance. No he's not. It's all leading to utter stasis, the worst condition for a talented person to find himself in, and one he has successfully avoided for the best part of thirty years. Tim - ------------------------------------------ It matters not - this is entertainment - hes been creative - I have records that show it and i like them a lot - so to go see Ferry churn those songs out in some venue for my personal enjoyment is just fine because I like those records the way they are - If he dosent want to be creative anymore who are we to judge - were the audience! Hes the poor sod who has to lock himself up with a piano trying to impress us (and we are picky arent we!).... Chris "more rational today" Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:36:49 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Same old scene Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:25:15 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Same Old Scene In a message dated 2003-06-07 09:05:32 GMT Daylight Time, simon g writes: Simon G wrote "You've hit the nail on the head. Just within the UK, audiences OUTSIDE of London are always more appreciative, attentive and responsive, end result, you get a better show (usually)." Is that not just symptomatic of being in London? I moved south from Manchester 2 years ago and London is one seriously miserable place to be... Richard Mills wrote "Appreciative and attentive would most normally include listening, receiving, not attempting to rival the performance... Don't get me wrong. I like dancing. I get excited by concerts. But I'm 6ft 4ins tall: if someone stands in front of me, I can stand also (but should I have to?) and see over that person. If it's a standing venue, my very presence means that 98% of the audience will regret standing behind me. As for people bellowing out names of songs, names of artists or singing along, getting words (and notes, and keys...) wrong, this helps my 'appreciation' of the concert how? Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit down and shut up!" ...and lo thus spaketh a man who has never had a days fun in his miserable existance.... whats the deal here? concerts are supposed to be fun right? we drink we sing along with songs we love, we dance like lunatics AND FOR 2 HOURS WE FORGET THAT OUR JOB SUCKS, OUR HOUSE NEEDS DECORATING, THE CAR IS ON ITS WAY OUT AND ACTUALLY LET GO FOR A CHANGE. Im not saying you shouldnt go but judging by your requirements (we all sit quietly with arms folded listening for the bum notes) you need to book seats further back and buy opera glasses because sadly theres a large number of us who, as silly as it may come across is this stupis stuck up its own butt world weve designed ourselves into - who still like and love rock n roll with all its trappings - - going watching a band play mind blowing music with hundreds of other sweaty people all there for the same reason and having a great time... im not saying that youre supposed to behave like an idiot but if you dont want to run down the aisle to stage front and get down with the rest of us you dont have to! All the best Chris Clare Or alternativley - just attend shows in London - by the look of it theyre exactly what youre looking for LOL! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:58:19 +0100 From: "richard-mandy" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live CD Replying to philip77@tiscali.co.uk >Ok, folks, its been out a week. Should I buy the damn thing? (I ask myself, why have I resisited. Normally I'd buy a Roxy/Ferry album the day its released.) Go on, Philip - buy it. I too waited for almost a week and ususally I'm there - - 9am on the day of release. Pondered ordering from Phil's site, but didn't want to wait! Obviously this meant I was going to get it. Tried 4 shops in Stafford - none had it in stock. Ended up sending my sister into Hanley first thing on Saturday morning. Well worth it. I'm not comparing it to Viva or anything else and at least one of the bootlegs is fantastic. But still, if you're a Roxy fan you're going to own this album sooner or later. I love it. I love ANYTHING they do. Whilst I wasn't going to miss Hyde Park, I wasn't so enthusiastic as I was for the 2001 tour -now -can't wait! Bryan's voice always gets me going, but when you hear Andy (and there is nobody quite like him) and the fabulous drums of TGPT - -nothing beats Roxy. Wonder if my bank balance could stretch to the US.........? cheers everyone, Mandy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:52:36 -0400 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: [AVALON] Jobson Items on E-Bay Keyboard legend Eddie Jobson will be auctioning off his Hammond C3 organ and Yamaha CS80 synthesizer via eBay, and will be kindly donating a generous portion of the proceeds to NEARfest. For details, see http://www.nearfest.com/nearfest/latestnews.asp Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:23:54 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Radio 6 competition http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/joyof6/workers/ You might wonder what a competition for a digital radio might have to do with Roxy Music, but the cover of Country Life is mentioned. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mt cafe Subject: [AVALON] NOT just another high I know the feeling all too well! Think the last time was '82 at the RDS; two dates in August at a massive (kidding) cost of about 8 quid a ticket! Who could have known it was coming to an end?! Yep! The Dub' show may not have been perfect (technecally) but who cared or noticed; they were here again in Ireland, which is always a treat. Makes a change from travelling to Scotland or England, much much better on home ground! FYP did indeed raise the heckles, and something I'll never forget was Paul's pounding drum intro'.......breathtaking, it was all I needed to make my night complete and easily made up for the 19yr gap! SJ From: "Chris Turner" >To: >Subject: NOT just another high >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 02:38:33 +0100 > >What were you doing two years ago today? I was in Dublin for a certain >reunion...I'm sure it wasn't technically very good (although it sounded sweet at the time, given that emotion and adrenaline can blur the senses), and I know the growling cavernous belly of The Point wasn't very full, but there were two moments in that concert that I will live with me forever, I'm sure of that. The first came as the tinkling cocktail party ended and the band ripped into the opening bars of Remake/Remodel; the curtain sweeping away to reveal Andy blowing for all he was worth; Phil, wearing the contented look of a man back in his rightful place; and as our eyes darted around, Ferry, hammering away at the piano, making some subtle point about 'Roxy as ensemble'. A wonderful hour and a half later came the second as Thompson beat out the opening of FYP to a chorus of gasps and cheers. Shivers. Just improbably, preposterously, irreplaceably wonderful... TOTP the week or so before just wasn't the same. Somehow that chance meeting had seemed like a hazy dream...too brief to be certain..had I really been there?...had it really been them? Dublin brought that reverie into sharp relief. Nineteen years of waiting to see them together again. I might see them perform a hundred times more, or hear those songs a million times over, but they'll never sound to my ears as they did that night. Being able to share that night with so many friends added to its euphoria; time spent well being, as we know, so rare. I'm doubtful that Roxy can ever hit that high again for me, indeed the thought of the latest outing leaves me less than inspired, but hey, at least for some of us, we'll always have Dublin. Chris > _____________________________________________________________ http://www.lovemail.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:27:37 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #160 > From: Chandla911@aol.com > we ought to consider what > Bryan Ferry wants us to do/be. I see him hiring promoters who select seated > venues and I wonder why Bryan isn't briefing them to book the Astoria or Brixton > Academy instead? I see him playing the same venues as David Essex and Leo Sayer. How long before he's playing the same venues as Paper Lace or Mud? How long before you don't have to go to the bar, but you're actually being served your "chicken-in-a-basket" and diet coke at your table whilst "the turn" puts on a good show? The audience singing Let's Stick Together with a mouthful of black forest gateau whilst seated at their tables somehow does not appeal. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:56:57 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! On Saturday I heard a couple of things on the radio that I'd never heard before. In the morning on Radio 2, Jonathan Ross was going through the songs on Country Life deciding which one to play, snatches of each song treated to Ross's fab Ferry impersonation. It was a toss up between A Really Good Time and Prairie Rose. ARGT won. Later that day I tuned into The Arrow (digital radio station that plays "classic rock") and was very surprised to hear the live version of Out Of The Blue from Viva!, followed by Pyjamarama (it turns out that I'd missed an hour of live Roxy Music, but it will have all been from commercially released recordings). For those of you who were paying attention last week, this particular version of OOTB was the subject of a discussion, namely that this live version of OOTB can be heard in its un-dubbed form on the Foolproof bootleg. This point was contested. I turn your attention back to that violin solo. As it played on the radio, I became aware of a "ghost" violin, audible during the solo, and some horribly off-key notes were subtly heard. So I went to the CD, and sure enough, it was on there too. Get your Viva! CDs at the ready. At 3:33 the overdubbed solo begins, at 3:37 you hear the original solo ghosting, probably picked up on the drum mics, and at 4:04 those flat notes as heard on Foolproof screech through in the background. And finally, at 4:33 you hear the edit which shortens the Viva! version by some 10 seconds. I therefore conclude that the version you hear of Out Of The Blue on Viva!, recorded at Newcastle City Hall in November 1974, is the same recording as heard on various bootlegs, most notably Foolproof (The Amazing Kornyphone Record Label TAKRL 1977), but also found on: ABSINTHE MAKES THE HEART GROW FONDLE (The Amazing Kornyphone Record Label TAKRL 1978) CHAMPAGNE AND NOVOCAINE (Saturated Recordworks 2S 705) INTERPRETATION (R-001) SUPER GOLDEN RADIO SHOWS no.033 (SGRS 033) THE THRILL OF IT ALL (Chapter One Recordings CO 25127) and probably some others too. I rest my case. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:08:22 -0400 From: "David Martin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! Get that Dirty Old Anorak down to the dry cleaner will you ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! Get your Viva! CDs at the ready. At 3:33 the overdubbed solo begins, at 3:37 you hear the original solo ghosting, probably picked up on the drum mics, and at 4:04 those flat notes as heard on Foolproof screech through in the background. And finally, at 4:33 you hear the edit which shortens the Viva! version by some 10 seconds. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:07:58 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Dutchies in Hyde Park That's Charles Frederick Otis Ferry that the mag (Smash Hits?) said was "Benjamin." - -----Original Message----- From:Anton van Lammeren Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:59 AM Sorry, but I have to wait for my third child to arrive! [Hence this pic accompanying my posts at manzanera.com http://www.avl.dds.nl/Roxy2HB.jpg Stupid thing: but I forgot where I got it from. Anyone knows which child it is...?] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:30:07 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [AVALON] OOTB live - the comeback! > As it played on the radio, I became aware of a "ghost" violin, audible > during the solo, and some horribly off-key notes were subtly heard. So I > went to the CD, and sure enough, it was on there too. > > Get your Viva! CDs at the ready. At 3:33 the overdubbed solo begins, at 3:37 > you hear the original solo ghosting, probably picked up on the drum mics, > and at 4:04 those flat notes as heard on Foolproof screech through in the > background. And finally, at 4:33 you hear the edit which shortens the Viva! > version by some 10 seconds. I swear, I just don`t hear it, Simon. I tried it in both analog and with the 3-D surround sound thingy enabled....with and without headphones....and all I can make out is what I`ve always assumed for the last 27 years to be a deliberate echo effect of what is actually being played. There is definitely no ghost in the mp3 snippet I posted and an overdub should be quite prevalent there. But you are probably right anyway because the vocals are indeed too close with the Foolproof version being far superior in quality even over the Viva! remastered version. Go figure. I still find it ludicrous that they would go through all of that trouble to butcher an already good version of that song. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:10:25 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Really Good Time Chris Clare wrote: whats the deal here? concerts are supposed to be fun right? we drink we sing along with songs we love, we dance like lunatics AND FOR 2 HOURS WE FORGET THAT OUR JOB SUCKS, OUR HOUSE NEEDS DECORATING, THE CAR IS ON ITS WAY OUT AND ACTUALLY LET GO FOR A CHANGE. Richard Mills replies: Yep and football/soccer matches are so much more enjoyable if you can get together with a few hundred others, spend the 90 minutes singing and shouting about how you're going to knock seven bells out of the other team's fans when they get out of the ground, or better yet, jump up over a few rows of seats and leap over the fence that separates you and do it now, yell some personal abuse on the way because, after all, the alternative would be to spectate and watch the event you paid to see... Generally, I thought those days were over? It may sound alien to those who seek refuge in the mob mentality, but it is possible to enjoy a concert without having a fight with the people in the row behind who object to you standing and 'dancing' and obstructing their view ("why don't YOU stand up, you miserable beggar?") for most of the show. The performers, already blinded from seeing the audience by the lighting, are usually confused completely when the audience yells out comments and requests - how many times have you seen a performer indicate they have no idea what is being shouted? As for the escapist dream, I believe it is possible to get that from watching the magic on stage, being bathed in its sound - call me a voyeur but I don't think I need to annoy other people to get my satisfaction. Best wishes John Major n/p One Of These Nights - Eagles on BBC Radio 2 (positively ROCKING compared to the national anthem just played by Wogan to preface the news, in honour of the Duke of Edinburgh's birthday - what's THAT all about?) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:27:04 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Editions Of You Under the double-page banner headline, "It's MR sand MRS!" (ho-ho-ho), today's (Tuesday) Daily Mail has a silly season spread comparing the aesthetics of celebrity couples in their beach wear through the use of candid photography. Each partner is scored out of 10 and their total contributes to the total. Bryan Ferry might be flattered to be considered part of a celeb couple in the year 2003, but won't take kindly to his 3/10 score ("Not so foxy, Roxy"). However, according to who you listen to at Avalon, he might take pleasure in outscoring Mick Jagger's 2/10. More likely, but still by no means certain, BF may smirk (or do that famous snort) that his current squeeze scores 7 out of 10, while Jerry Hall (shown rather anachronistically with Mick) gets just 6/10. Summary: BF scores one more than Mick, his new girlfriend scores one more than the woman who is both their ex, the total a full two points clear. So, if these were the only two couples featured, all would be clear. But of course this is not so. Remarkably, the top pointed couple is Wayne Rooney (who? I hear 75% of Avalon ask) and his girlfriend who between them get 18/20. Jamie and Lousie Redknapp get a 17-point total. Even Rod Stewart and Penny Lancaster manage 15. So, yes, it's a complete waste of time, ink, paper and money. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p (rather appropriately) Looking For The Summer - Chris Rea on BBC Radio 2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #161 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest