From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #159 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, June 8 2003 Volume 08 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Same Old Scene [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] [AVALON] Gloves back on, brain still in gear [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences-with exceptions ["Jas" ] Fw: [AVALON] Same Old Scene ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene, gloves on/off etc ["graham.john.fairlie" ] [AVALON] Same Old Scene [Chandla911@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:25:15 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Same Old Scene In a message dated 2003-06-07 09:05:32 GMT Daylight Time, simon g writes: > >You've hit the nail on the head. Just within the UK, audiences OUTSIDE of > >London are always more appreciative, attentive and responsive, end result, > >you get a better show (usually). Well, we have been here before but when did the repetition of a topic ever bother anyone much in Avalon? It's interesting that people would equate standing in front of other people sitting down, dancing badly, shouting drunkenly, singing along out of tune, waving your arms windmill-like (or P Townshend for that matter), any of the above with "appreciative" or "attentive". Appreciative and attentive would most normally include listening, receiving, not attempting to rival the performance... Don't get me wrong. I like dancing. I get excited by concerts (did you forget my write-up of Bowie at Hammersmith last year?). But I'm 6ft 4ins tall: if someone stands in front of me, I can stand also (but should I have to?) and see over that person. If it's a standing venue, my very presence means that 98% of the audience will regret standing behind me. At home, I can get pretty pissed off if someone else stands or walks in front of the TV when I am watching something I'm interested in - why should being 'attentive' at a concert be any different? As for people bellowing out names of songs, names of artists or singing along, getting words (and notes, and keys...) wrong, this helps my 'appreciation' of the concert how? Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit down and shut up! Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Jonathan Ross interviews Jimmy Carr, BBC Radio 2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Tim Kendrick wrote: > I agree that the motive is irrelevant. If these reunions are purely for Well, I asked the question, so clearly it's relevant to me. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mt cafe Subject: [AVALON] Re: Cry, Cry, Cry some more! Yes, you did make a positive comment on the new CD.....>> I already feel in the minority by stating that I feel it is a good and almost true reflection of the tour. << After that you condemned the audiences at what seemed to be all gigs! My answer was that your comment was unfair! I obviously misinterprated your meaning and that it was one reply to several earlier questions. I used your thread to hit back at those who use every opportunity to discredit everything Ferry has done lately. I apologise for that, I should have made a new post. Regards SJ From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! If you could take the time to read my full post you would find I was actually praising the CD. I gave full credit to the band for giving brilliant performances to such poor audiences..........considering I have been a paying customer to every "Ferry/Roxy" tour since 1977 I have a right to criticise the recent Roxy audiences if I choose to do so. FACT. for the first Roxy gig in June we were situated on the MENA tier having a good vantage point of both stage and exit...we saw "for the first time ever" at a Ferry/Roxy gig people leave........we counted between 70 and 80 people leave the Arena mid-way through the set........ Fact Later in the year Roxy played another gig at the same arena........they only sold half the tickets. Fact I used the word "Flat" in regard to the cd in answer to KW'S post who asked the question why does it seem flat in comparison to VIVA. FACT I received my copy of the CD on the doormat at precisely 8.30am on the 2nd of June. FACT Ididn't use the word asshole FACT I did not contradict myself, " mix of age and gender" (sex) never once mentioning the class of person at the BOWIE gig. ASSUMPTION You don't go to many gigs. ASSUMPTION You get your "mt cafe" name from using a cyber cafe...........IF SO can I suggest that you ask the proprietor of said cyber cafe to invest in new hardware so you can get the chance to read the full script of the e-mails and enable you to follow a thread with a little more accuracy. In ending Roxy were good but the audiences were poor.........its a good cd even though on this tour I consider that Bryan was feeding caviar to PIGS...........not that I'm calling you a pig...cause like the word asshole it might be deemed offensive. Regards Mark. _____________________________________________________________ http://www.lovemail.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:34:32 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene Chandla911@aol.com writes: > Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or > attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit > down > and shut up! Right Richard, gloves off! I have the perfect solution for you. Only short arses allowed at the front (which means I'm OK Jack) working incrementally on a height sliding scale towards the back until we get to the great big loping moaning minnies. Then everyone can sit or stand at will and still be able to see. However, that will exclude all the Roxy/Ferry fans who go to really let their hair down (symbolically) who are way over 6 foot. So I'm sorry Graham, Alister, Han, Andy and practically every Roxy Dutchie who makes it over to have a really good time, but from now on you can only be at the front if you kneel. And if you have a look at TGPT site, where he was asked which audiences he thinks are the best, he wasn't led on geography, but replied that the ones where the audience really rip it up are the ones that make him play better. So flat audiences get flat performances, flat performances get flat audiences. Bryan has also indicated on numerous occasions that he "gets off" on mad audiences, and if you don't believe me, go to one of them - but oh you wouldn't be able to tell would you, because you'd be sitting down. Just a thought mate do you sit or stand at Bowie? Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:40:03 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Gloves back on, brain still in gear Jocelyn wrote: "Right Richard, gloves off! I have the perfect solution for you. Only short arses allowed at the front (which means I'm OK Jack) working incrementally on a height sliding scale towards the back until we get to the great big loping moaning minnies. Then everyone can sit or stand at will and still be able to see. However, that will exclude all the Roxy/Ferry fans who go to really let their hair down (symbolically) who are way over 6 foot. So I'm sorry Graham, Alister, Han, Andy and practically every Roxy Dutchie who makes it over to have a really good time, but from now on you can only be at the front if you kneel. And if you have a look at TGPT site, where he was asked which audiences he thinks are the best, he wasn't led on geography, but replied that the ones where the audience really rip it up are the ones that make him play better. So flat audiences get flat performances, flat performances get flat audiences. Bryan has also indicated on numerous occasions that he "gets off" on mad audiences, and if you don't believe me, go to one of them - but oh you wouldn't be able to tell would you, because you'd be sitting down. Just a thought mate do you sit or stand at Bowie?" Richard replies: None of my correspondence is intended to be combative, but I'm happy to exchange views. I don't quite see how the "short arses at the front" scheme works to allow everyone to "sit or stand at will and still be able to see". If I were medium-height and wanted to sit behind excitable dwarves and short people standing up, would I still be able to see? Just how steeply tiered is this arena? Unless you meant the tall people kneeling at the front, the medium people sitting all the way through (no option to change your mind and stand for the fast songs) and tall people would have to remain standing at the back all the way through the show...way, way too complicated. At the risk of sounding too Jon Tickle (UK Big Brother entrant), my personal dream would be to have a venue with NO seats in it. Anyone wanting to sit (me, for instance) would be able to buy a seat with a hover pack underneath it and you could then choose how close, how high, at what side and at what angle. I always imagine the moulding to be yellow NY taxi stylie, for some reason. Of course, I realise this fantasy wouldn't work for me like it does in my dreams, because of all the Avalonians who would brick themselves in 6 inches from the stage building a wall of hover seats and blocking the view of the other 12,000 people. But there you go... As for performers preferring fans who rip it up, you just want to have seen Bryan Ferry leap in fright when a girl walked along the stage to approach him at Derngate, Northampton earlier this year. The idea of him preferring fans dancing in the aisles, clambering over each other to get a better vantage point, grabbing at him each time he dares approach their side of the stage while all the time bellowing "[Please NOT] Jealous Guy!" is completely farcical and describes someone completely different. I stood for Bowie, everybody in the house did. It would have made no difference how good or bad he was, the few rows in front all standing made people stand. The great thing about the show at no time was about standing. Please note that I have seen Bryan Ferry outside of London - in the past 5 years, I've seen him in Sheffield (very reserved!), Switzerland, Paris and Northampton and nothing has made me think that geography is an important key...we all know the good life's never won by degrees! There is nothing to stop people showing appreciation inbetween songs, performers know if they are being applauded or booed, but that does not excuse boorish behaviour while the songs are being played. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p the gentle sounds of silence ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:10:48 -0500 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences-with exceptions Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:40:42 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences I saw Roxy in Chicago in 2001. My seat was far enough back and far enough up that I had a pretty good view of a lot of the audience (yet still had a decent view of the stage). My impression was that the crowd was pretty subdued. Those folks on the floor near the front were on their feet most of the time, but the bulk of the audience was sitting (when they weren't going to the concession stand). I, on the other hand, was jumping around having a great time. Very good observation as I felt the same way too. Again the exception being the members of the Chicago Martini Club who were sprinkled all over the place. I was sitting in the back and enjoying the show, but groaning that I was not up front as I thought I was going to be!!!!! Just how in the hell did THEY get their seats? You also have to remember that this show was on a very hot summer night and most of the crowd was there looking and acting like "tourists". I think most of them ( with a few exceptions of course) knew very little or nothing of the early Roxy just the "hits" ( read: LITD, Dance Away, Avalon, Jealous Guy). No one ( with exception of US in the know) knew what make of the last number For Your Pleasure. In my section it was.. huh? I first started seeing concerts when I was about 17 and I REALLY got into them--on my feet dancing the whole time (well maybe dancing is too charitable--epileptic seizure might be more accurate). A hundred concerts and 23 years later (plus the fact that most of the groups I go see, I've seen multiple times), and I'm pretty jaded. While I enjoy going, I certainly don't get all revved up. I've been going to shows since I was 10 and now I'm.......48 1/2 ( yikes!!!). I still get the thrill of it all :))). I see most in my age group just stand or sit there. Sigh.... If Iggy Pop can still kick it at his age, I know there is hope for me :) I get up and enjoy myself especially when I know a performer or a band is making an effort to be entertaining as was Roxy ( and later Bryan) in Chicago. I do not hide my enthusiasm because the rest of the "in-crowd" does not think it's cool to show that they care. Boring! I just begrudge the fact that I do not get the better seats up front (AARGH!!!!).. not that that has stopped me from bum rushing the stage when it gets really cooking :)) Add to that the usual effect of concerts sounding better in person than on a live recording (maybe it's the volume?), and I thought it was one of the very best, if not the best, concerts I'd ever seen. It was magical. I could have been better "sound wise" had it been booked at another venue say the Auditorium, but we know that this was the promoter's idea to book them in bigger place to fill more seats ( and to get a bigger return on their investment). I felt rather sorry for most of the audience. Maybe they weren't really into Roxy (most people I meet have never even heard of Roxy). I was having the time of my life, and for most people it was just something to do between trips to the concession stand (if I ran the world, there'd be no concession stands at concerts, but that's another story). Ah yes. Well again a hot Chicago night, very few "real" Roxy Fans and they were thirsty!!! This is Chi-town and people mingle a lot during a show regardless of who the performers are. I stayed glued to my seat as to not miss one second of something that I knew might not ever happen again... that is until now. Yes! was, due to my excitement and how much it was due to the actual quality. So I can keep my illusion forever (please no one offer to sell me a bootleg). Copies exist just ask.............. ....It will be 2 years almost exactly to the day. I'm thinking this show may be even better, since it's at an outdoor venue, and they usually sound better than big echoey basketball arenas. To be seen. The Tweeter center will be a better venue that the Rosemont Horizon ( sorry I still name it that) and it will be outdoors. I have seen some really good shows there. I still want the Auditorium or the Airie Crown!!! Let's hope that it does not rain and there will be less mosquitoes :). Viva Roxy Music! Ditto and hope to see you there :) Jas Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:59:14 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Same Old Scene > > Only short arses allowed at the front (which means I'm OK Jack) working > > incrementally on a height sliding scale towards the back until we get to > the great > > big loping moaning minnies.< What will you do with an unnamed medium tallish person wearing a hat? Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:57:26 +0100 From: "graham.john.fairlie" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene, gloves on/off etc Hi Folks. Enough of this "heightist" nonsense. Spare a thought for the real victims whose problem is not a short ass but a FAT one! We were squeezed in so tight at Edinburgh Princess St Gardens that my dash to the stage was hampered by the fact that the circulation in my legs had just about stopped. Sit there for 2 hours? No chance! Anyway, thanks to the "advanced warning" letter from the Caird Hall Booking Office that arrived this morning, I was able to secure two front row seats for Dundee. So it will be only a short wobble to the stage. And that's where I will expect to see those other Avalonians who make the trip. The Regular decision to give an opportunity to those from the cancelled gigs last time to buy tickets in advance got me thinking. It would be very easy given the official websites and other channels to give a similar opportunity to we anoraks for all gigs. That would sure lessen the stress for us in our advancing years. It would also give Richard the chance to book the seat furthest back (behind a pillar) to ensure that he too has a good time ;-} After all Switzerland is a bit far away. Some free advice. Its a brave man that would hang around long enough for a Geordie Lass to get the gloves off. I don't care if you're 6'4" . Leg it whilst you still can! Re peaks thread - good one, shook list from recent torpor. Re Live - yes, a bit flat but worth having. Back to Loonies letting their hair down.... Cor, have enjoyed the AMA2 tracks you've been drip feeding but can we have the full banana? Regards to all Graham ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 14:57:06 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene In a message Chandla911@aol.com writes: > Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or > attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit > down > and shut up! > I agree with this in principle! I hate hearing chatter during a show, IE: during the harp solos on the ATGB tour. cell phoning a friend to decide where to meet later. (And wassup with this trend of cellphoning the concert to friends at home bit?) I feel it's OK to stand, where I draw the like is folks standing on their seat. The surest way for me to doff my Miss Congeniality sash is to stand on your seat in front of me. ("sorry honey, I didn't pay 80 bucks to come here & look at your ass all night") The best shows are the ones without seats, where one can manouver their walker right up to the front, & drool on the footlights. BTW I just bought the new LIVE cd from half.com. There are a couple more at around $15. http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1155529058&domain_id=1876&meta_id=2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:30:43 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] No Subject YO! I just bought the new LIVE Roxy cd from Half.com.for $15. They have a few more for similar price. If you are unfamiliar with this site, for new AND used CDs, books, etc., by all means check it out. Below is the URL for LIVE-Roxy, + info about the new buyer discount coupon. I'm not sure if this is available out of the US/Canada area, as postage is pre figured. I'd imagine resourceful Avalonians can work out something. Regards, R Deagle http://www3.addall.com/New/coupon.cgi?shop=Half&code=BIRDIE&isbn=0970442807 To save $5 off a purchase of USD $10 or more, just enter the discount code " BIRDIE" when you check out. Good for Half.com's online store only. New Half.com customer only. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:34:46 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Nostalgia ain't what it use to be I say that's a joke son. Interestingly, Bryan is turning into the one thing I think he wanted to avoid the most, a nostalgia act. Maybe, someone should remind him of this. Meanwhile I've purchased my tickets for the Costa Mesa show because even Ferry/Roxy nostalgia is better than most of what is currently out there ( Ridgway and Waits not withstanding) .....and please you don't have to SHOUT. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:57:27 +0200 From: "cor broersen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene, gloves on/off etc >From: "graham.john.fairlie" >Back to Loonies letting their hair down.... Cor, have enjoyed the AMA2 >tracks you've been drip feeding but can we have the full banana? I've cutted about 25cm of my hair so not mutch to let down, but I am still a looney.(my hair still long enough) I've made about 8 copy's of the CD of the first set to listmembers (excl copies for bandmembers) I had expected at least one 'tree' for the CD. I had to let a few people down, in anticipation to a mad affair2 CD tree. www.geocities.com/remakelive for ATAP No coincidence but I've put "Another Time, Another Place" online just day's ago, to please someone. (any requests?) About dripfeeding, Some people clearly communicated that they wanted the CD's, some try to help solving the missing tracks that I've posted about before, others put in a (whole) lot of ama2 work, or have seen remake for over.....a zillion times. These people have their copie! We can only hope that they will start a tree. If the audiofile's are to large, downloading to mutch will close the site down cause it's a free site, that's why I have one song at a time online. (not to mention uploading over the phone, slooooooooowwwwwwww) I can tell you a one shure FACT (.........!) about RR live at AMA2, there is not a single overdub on it and no flat audience, lucky to see a lot of you wonder off to the bar, some of you even stayed for longer periods at the bar (but i've seen you drunk before). Me too love's a mad crowd and the bar helps, as does the light, the rumour, the smell, the people, it's an event. There is just no comparising a live event with a CD or dvd, you all know that don't you...don't you? (exept maybe for the older avalonians among us who'll have to sit down and enjoy the show that way, beeing grumpy over the "mad crowd" at front stage who'll don't care less for any old grumpys sitting at the back) I saw Roxy (standing) at the Ahoy Rotterdam 2001, and they had the whole crowd standing and cheering as far as I remember. It was a dynamite performance from the whole band And the music was...well Roxy Music 1974 with Bryan's voice just a little matured, A beautifull stageset. This was it! No Complaint senor. Rotterdam is very Roxy Minded and the whole thing was a natural experience. It's also thru that an audience have to understand the music performed, and in Rotterdam Roxy is Classical Music! cheers, cor blimey! _________________________________________________________________ Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:06:38 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene Hiya, Just an observation - doesn't Bryan like fans to come to the front and dance? Didn't he love it in Glasgow when we all chanted 'Roxy, Roxy' at the Roxy concert? In the BBC radio 2 broadcast of the first Glasgow date didn't Bryan say 'don't mind these people, come forward' (meaning don't mind the security, come to the front). I also think the band gives a better performance with a few mad people jumping up and down and chanting at the front. At the last Newcastle concert the security people were actually making everyone stand up. The band had rehearsed 'woolly bully' for that concert, but didn't play it. I believe this is because they weren't getting the feedback from the audience. There didn't seem to be the 'buzz'. Compare that to the Glasgow Roxy Concert and there's no comparison!!! I figure that if Bryan wants us down the front jumping and shouting, then that's where we bloody well should be! No offence intended, just my personal observations. Tracy >Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or >attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit >down >and shut up! > >Best wishes >Richard Mills _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:10:52 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Same Old Scene In a message dated 2003-06-08 00:55:17 GMT Daylight Time, traceyep writes: > The > band had rehearsed 'woolly bully' for that concert, but didn't play it. I > believe this is because they weren't getting the feedback from the audience. > Lucky audience! > There didn't seem to be the 'buzz'. Compare that to the Glasgow Roxy > Concert and there's no comparison!!! > > I figure that if Bryan wants us down the front jumping and shouting, then > that's where we bloody well should be! > > So much for democracy! The needs of the many should outweigh the needs of the few - and do, that's why people swing from chandeliers, stand on their seats, etc. But if people think my needs are outweighed by the needs of mob mentality, why should BF be allowed to dictate? Let's hope he doesn't demand major Y-front uniforms and loping air guitar from everybody is all I can say...Sounds far-fetched but I remember Prince trying to set up a tour where he required audience members to only wear peach and black clothing. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p The Last Time - Rolling Stones - BBC Radio 2 Return-path: From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Full-name: Go2Sweeney Message-ID: <1e7.a8f4723.2c13d565@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:55:17 EDT Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] Same Old Scene To: Chandla911@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v93.13) with ESMTP id MAILINYC21-38f43ee2622c192; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:07:41 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC38-1ca3ee26226248; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 18:07:35 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h57M6m75011678 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h57M6lng011676 for avalon-outgoing; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f100.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.100]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h57M6j75011586 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 15:06:39 -0700 Received: from 80.189.52.223 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:06:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.189.52.223] X-Originating-Email: [tracyep@hotmail.com] From: "Tracy Connell" To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Same Old Scene Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:06:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 22:06:39.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F1F6A0:01C32D41] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hiya, Just an observation - doesn't Bryan like fans to come to the front and dance? Didn't he love it in Glasgow when we all chanted 'Roxy, Roxy' at the Roxy concert? In the BBC radio 2 broadcast of the first Glasgow date didn't Bryan say 'don't mind these people, come forward' (meaning don't mind the security, come to the front). I also think the band gives a better performance with a few mad people jumping up and down and chanting at the front. At the last Newcastle concert the security people were actually making everyone stand up. The band had rehearsed 'woolly bully' for that concert, but didn't play it. I believe this is because they weren't getting the feedback from the audience. There didn't seem to be the 'buzz'. Compare that to the Glasgow Roxy Concert and there's no comparison!!! I figure that if Bryan wants us down the front jumping and shouting, then that's where we bloody well should be! No offence intended, just my personal observations. Tracy >Sorry, especially in seated venues, if you want to be more appreciative or >attentive than fans outside the capital: learn some civilised manners, sit >down >and shut up! > >Best wishes >Richard Mills _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #159 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest