From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #158 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, June 7 2003 Volume 08 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Dutchies in Hyde Park [Robert Vinkenborg ] Re: [AVALON] Regional difference ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences ["Jeff Turner" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:14:10 +0200 From: Robert Vinkenborg Subject: [AVALON] Dutchies in Hyde Park Ben benieuwd welke Nederlandse Avolonians naar Hyde Park gaan. (I like to know wich Dutch Avolonians will be at Hyde Park). Robert Vinkenborg ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:27:33 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Regional difference > From: OBrienFerry@aol.com > > I found some of the London shows flat too in that the audience seem to sit > there and say "OK, go on entertain me let me see what you can do". Royal Albert > Hall is like that and so was Royal Festival Hall. You've hit the nail on the head. Just within the UK, audiences OUTSIDE of London are always more appreciative, attentive and responsive, end result, you get a better show (usually). The two best Roxy shows I saw in 2001 were in Sheffield and Manchester, the worst in London. What can you do with these big city folk eh? SimonG (country bumpkin) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:45:20 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Cry Cry Cry (Roxy Live CD and SACD gripes) on this tour I consider that Bryan was feeding caviar to PIGS...........not that I'm calling you a pig...cause like the word asshole it might be deemed offensive. Regards Mark. - -------------------------------------------- Couldnt agree more Mark - I stil believe that half the poeple at those shows wouldnt know Ferry's solo efforts from Roxy's and turned up expecting to hear Lets Stick Together and More Than This all night - I thaught the Roxy set list was extremely brave given the way they were repackaged on the Street Life and Ultimate Collection albums... As for the offensive bit - personally I find it hilarious how some people on the net suddely become pompous prudes when somebody uses forceful expression - - again I say it - people take time to fish out the words without looking at the whole statement and the idea that grown adults would get snooty at the use of mild adult expressions is absolutley ridiculous - obviously these people have never left their homes and met an ordinary person! I will however not be buying the new Roxy album as I have all the memories I need in the DVD - It has a closer-to-live soundtrack than the CD and I can enjoy in 5.1 when I get a decent setup thus rendering the CD a waste of 20 quid. Nothing obnoxious - but it smells like a ripoff to me (IMHO). As for SACDs etc (live the Avalon reissue) - shove them - I just bought al the last lot of remasters (after buying them first time on 2nd hand vinyl, then the CDs) - SACD is a losing card to me anyway - DVD Audio is a better opton and will likely be more popular as most people already have a DVD unit to play them on, simple. Apart from that I have 2 ears (just the standard human design) - - How the bugger will i listen to a 5 channel album on the tram to work? Im no audiophile - i just like good music, about as much as i like having something left in my wallet when im done listening to it! Over to you lot... Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:55:18 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] was Cry, Cry, Cry!; now, so, hey, what about that re-reunion? So last week, in a conversation about Roxy Music, my partner mentioned something about how their constant reformation was a bit of a joke now in the music world. As at that time only the 2 European shows had been announced, I was a bit surprised and asked him what he meant. He assumed a mysterious air and told me to wait and see. And now we see more US dates added. So, uh, what is the point of this re-reunion? Inquiring minds want to know what is going on, exactly. Colleen - -------------------------------------------- I dont want to sound patronising but will someone give these bands a bloody break! Im sick of reading this drivel about "why are they doing it" "its just dry humping the cash cow" etc For crying out loud people were wanting these band to reunite for YEARS (Roxy, Kiss, Blondie... insert name of band you probably dug 20 years ago that broke up here....) - and what happens when they do?!?!?! THEYRE REWARDED BY PEOPLE ASKING THESE RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS - I can clarify once and for all why they reformed.... because we all wanted to see them, and they all have to make a living one way or the other and thier chosen career path is music - its a perfect marriage - and that people is how rock and roll works - 3-6 guys (variable) get together to play exciting music that emotes in some manner, we pay to go and watch the bands do it on a stage... similar principle to theatre but with better tunes and less men in tights and lipstick (unless your into 80s L.A. Metal).... Simple - and I for one am happy with it because Roxy were great last time I saw them so thier motives for reforming dont matter to me because I STILL GET THE BIT I WANT AND PAY FOR! I dont care if ferry is using the money to line his driveway because as long as he is - I still get great rock n roll shows. Cheers Chris "realy got a cob on today" Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:08:26 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD No mention of the Radio City Music Hall date on the website for that venue. Does anyone know when the tickets go on sale? On the Live CD debate, I thought it is a good one to have. As usual, I am biased towards listening to the older tracks, although I thought Dream Home was disappointing ( weak ) when I saw them live ..maybe I have become too used over the years to the much heavier Viva! version.. However, the liner notes are hilarious and would be a sure winner if submitted to '"Pseud's Corner " at Private Eye. R ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:23:58 -0500 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:00:39 -0400 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... I am one who did some "pond-jumping" in 2001 (7 shows, 6 cities, 3 in America, and 4 in the UK). For the most part I agree with Helen's comment about the flat N. American audiences, but I think it might have something to do with the big barns they play in. In Chicago, the audience was enthusiastic, but they were in a place they couldn't really fill. Yeah and THAT venue sucked ( as witnessed by the sound on the boot). Well at least the Chicago Martini Members were very enthusiastic (and they looked and dressed well I might add... ahem) I hope we can up the sound level the next time thru! Oh no! Not the Tweeter Center again on July 31? AARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........Well at least they will be back so...... Let's break out the champagne again!!!! Kelly you got the crackers? Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:29:12 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Regional difference I think that those of us who live outside London, and especially as far away as the north of England and Scotland miss quite a lot, so we really appreciate it when we get to see something special. I know a lot of events only happen in London and it's a long way to travel. We are deprived souls........ Tracy >From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" >To: "avalon@smoe.org" >Subject: [AVALON] Regional difference >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:27:33 +0100 > > > From: OBrienFerry@aol.com > > > > I found some of the London shows flat too in that the audience seem to >sit > > there and say "OK, go on entertain me let me see what you can do". Royal >Albert > > Hall is like that and so was Royal Festival Hall. > >You've hit the nail on the head. Just within the UK, audiences OUTSIDE of >London are always more appreciative, attentive and responsive, end result, >you get a better show (usually). The two best Roxy shows I saw in 2001 were >in Sheffield and Manchester, the worst in London. > >What can you do with these big city folk eh? > >SimonG (country bumpkin) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:33:00 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD I thought Dream Home was >disappointing ( weak ) when I saw them live ..maybe I have become too used >over the years to the much heavier Viva! version.. Thats funny, 'cos I always thought that Dream Home was very wierd and didn't take to it from listening to my CDs. When I saw it live - I thought it was amazing!!!!! Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:08:26 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] so, hey, what about that re-reunion? >Im sick of reading this drivel about "why are they doing it" "its just dry >humping the cash cow" etc > >For crying out loud people were wanting these band to reunite for YEARS >(Roxy, Kiss, Blondie... insert name of band you probably dug 20 years ago >that broke up here....) - and what happens when they do?!?!?! THEYRE >REWARDED BY PEOPLE ASKING THESE RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS - I agree that the motive is irrelevant. If these reunions are purely for money, which it's probable they are, that's pop music, isn't it? Further, that's the entire mass Western culture of the past one hundred and fifty years, and there's no point in moaning about it ( except to add that no-one should mistake commerce for art, a horribly frequent misapprehension.) But what is a reasonable worry it seems to me, is whether there is any evidence that Roxy reunions are any GOOD! It's hardly unfair to observe that Ferry struggles to perform well, and can anyone really believe his endless reperforming of the same songs is adding any new dimension to them? It's a delusion of the true obsessive that Ferry (or whoever the subject of a particular obsession may be) is so subtle a peformer that he's providing new insights into (say) DREAM HOME HEARTACHE on the thousandth performance. No he's not. It's all leading to utter stasis, the worst condition for a talented person to find himself in, and one he has successfully avoided for the best part of thirty years. Even had I been one of those who disliked FRANTIC, I would still think his time better spent making that record than reviving FOR YOUR PLEASURE. The statements, so to speak, of early Roxy are made, finished, fini. There's nothing to add to them. Now he should be making new statements. Shouldn't he? Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:51:44 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB video+"its just dry humping the cash cow" etc >> There is also a '75 Midnight Special performance of OOTB. The audio portion of has been included in a past tree, but I haven`t seen the video in decades.<< What other song(s) were done by Roxy on the Midnight Special? Usually an artiste would do more than one. Bowie put together an entire hour, the 1980 Floor Show. Himself, Marianne Faithfull, the Troggs, and blessedly forgotten Carmen. - --------------------------- >>Great!Radio City a beautiful Art Deco Venue,perfect for Roxy<< Have you ever seen a band at Radio City? Unless you are right in front, you may as well be a block away. Saw Roxy there in the 80s, those little dots down there could have been anybody. It's great for The Muppets Live, or Riverdance or the annual Christmas Show and other dreck of that sort, I'd imagine. Having never trecked out to Jones Beach I'll refrain from comment. Suppose I'll HAVE to go, but... A 2 night stand at the Beacon Theater would be more fun, & probably sell out both nights. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:56:10 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] absence of boots makes the memory fonder In a message dated 2003-06-06 08:19:08 GMT Daylight Time, Tim Kendrick writes: > Sometimes I think the world would be a much better place without live > albums > or bootlegs, so that happy impressions of live work are allowed to linger. While I collect boots, I would agree in principle. I went to the Xmas Eve 1975 Queen concert that was aired live on BBC2's OGWT. I couldn't get over how well they'd managed to perform Night at the Opera material live when they were still in their 'no synth' days and played regular rock instruments. And all the vocals were so great. As this was before video was widely available, it was some years before I saw a repeat and realised that Freddie's voice was all over the place. Also, the music was less together than I recalled and retained in my head all those years, in places quite rough. Still great though... ;-) I guess being IN the atmosphere and the moment can overcome a lot of critical judgements. best wishes Richard Mills (fresh-ish back from the north Scots eclipse) n/p Eddi Reader sings the songs of Robbie Burns ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:03:33 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Flat shows In a message dated 2003-06-06 08:19:08 GMT Daylight Time, JOB writes > I found some of the London shows flat too in that the audience seem to sit > there and say "OK, go on entertain me let me see what you can do". Royal > Albert > Hall is like that and so was Royal Festival Hall. The first night at > Hammersmith was worrying as we knew they were filming the next show for DVD. > Thank goodness for London performance venues instead of barns like Wembley and the awful Hyde Park prospect... best wishes Richard Mills n/p Eddi Reader sings the songs of Robbie Burns ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:37:22 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [AVALON] False Starts At the beginning of this show there is a false start. In the pause before the band gets "Manifesto" and the show going for real someone can be clearly heard yelling out, "try it again." That was me, feeling very feisty at my first Roxy show (foolishly missing the one in 1976). This is my recording career and my Roxy Music claim to fame. Thank-you very much! Well, being there, I sure enjoyed the show. Of course a false start never helps any performance. Maybe I'll do a comparison of the two boots. Cheers, Robert ********************************************************************** This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:22:51 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD At 12.33 +0000 03-06-06, Tracy Connell wrote: >Thats funny, 'cos I always thought that Dream Home was very wierd and didn't >take to it from listening to my CDs. When I saw it live - I thought it was >amazing!!!!! It's my fave Roxy music track. I am glad as Phil Manzanera that Roxy played it in Copenhagen. and Tim,perforemances of Dream Home has varied over the years and tours. I liked the 2001 version. NP David Gray on VH1 on the background Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB video+"its just dry humping the cash cow" etc > What other song(s) were done by Roxy on the Midnight > Special? > Usually an artiste would do more than one. > On Midnight Special they performed Thrill Of It All, Out Of The Blue, and A Really Good Time. Reecey... . . . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:42:26 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy US Tour/ Live CD > >Thats funny, 'cos I always thought that Dream Home was very wierd and >didn't > >take to it from listening to my CDs. When I saw it live - I thought it >was > >amazing!!!!! > >It's my fave Roxy music track. I am glad as Phil Manzanera that Roxy played >it in Copenhagen. > >and Tim,perforemances of Dream Home has varied over the years and tours. I >liked the 2001 version. Yeah, I can see why. I'll never forget their performance at the second Glasgow Date - I was mesmerised, as I had never seen that song performed live before. Excellent performance!!! Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:40:42 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences I saw Roxy in Chicago in 2001. My seat was far enough back and far enough up that I had a pretty good view of a lot of the audience (yet still had a decent view of the stage). My impression was that the crowd was pretty subdued. Those folks on the floor near the front were on their feet most of the time, but the bulk of the audience was sitting (when they weren't going to the concession stand). I, on the other hand, was jumping around having a great time. I first started seeing concerts when I was about 17 and I REALLY got into them--on my feet dancing the whole time (well maybe dancing is too charitable--epileptic seizure might be more accurate). A hundred concerts and 23 years later (plus the fact that most of the groups I go see, I've seen multiple times), and I'm pretty jaded. While I enjoy going, I certainly don't get all revved up. I'm very pleased to say the Roxy show was a tremendous exception. For a brief 2 hours, I was 17 again. A great deal of this was anticipation. I first became acquainted w/Roxy after they'd broken up after Avalon, so I didn't think I'd ever get a chance to see them. When word got out they were reforming for a world tour, I said, I gotta go no matter what. The tour dates were announced, I got my tickets, and the countdown began. By the time the show rolled around, I was really psyched. Add to that the usual effect of concerts sounding better in person than on a live recording (maybe it's the volume?), and I thought it was one of the very best, if not the best, concerts I'd ever seen. It was magical. I felt rather sorry for most of the audience. Maybe they weren't really into Roxy (most people I meet have never even heard of Roxy). I was having the time of my life, and for most people it was just something to do between trips to the concession stand (if I ran the world, there'd be no concession stands at concerts, but that's another story). Around the time of the Chicago show, a rumor was floating on the list that it was going to be filmed for the DVD. FOr me, that would have been only too perfect, to have a permanent document of my experience. Of course, it turned out not to be the case, and none of the cuts on the CD are from CHicago either. THus, I'll never know how much of my impression of how good the band was, was due to my excitement and how much it was due to the actual quality. So I can keep my illusion forever (please no one offer to sell me a bootleg). This is all a very pleasant reminiscence, made all the more sweet by Roxy's impending return to CHicago. It will be 2 years almost exactly to the day. I'm thinking this show may be even better, since it's at an outdoor venue, and they usually sound better than big echoey basketball arenas. Plus, it's on the very south edge of the metro area and I won't have to drive as far, coming from downstate. So, I'm checking Ticketmaster every day to see if the show is on sale yet. Viva Roxy Music! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #158 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest