From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #157 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, June 6 2003 Volume 08 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 and other times and places... ["SIMON GALLOWAY" <] [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... ["Helen Thorpe" ] Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] Middlesbrough and Caird Hall tickets ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! ["Caledonia Controls Inc." ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 ["Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 and other times and places... > From: Daniel Atterbom > Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB video > > At 09.59 +0100 03-06-04, SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: >>the Stockholm show is one of the most lacklustre Roxy performances I've >>seen/heard (the whole show that is, not just OOTB). > > Hum, I like it a lot, why do you dislike it and what show and bootleg are > your fav? I know you like that one Daniel, and it is a good show as far as setlist and sound quality are concerned (i.e. a full show from a professional recording) but it's always sounded tired, flat and off-key to me. Certainly the Roxy magic was wearing thin by then. From listening to the various live recordings that I've laid my hands on over the years, I reckon Roxy were at their peak as a live band in 1974 (the majority of Viva is from that year). The songs from Country Life worked well in concert (better than they did on the album) and the performances were strong, tough, funky, confident, for ALL members. The busy touring schedule for Stranded (well over 6 months) transformed Roxy from a good live band to a great one. A shame they didn't maintain that momentum. As far as fave bootlegs go, I really like the Berlin 1974 show, and also Painters Mill from the same year. But the one that really impresses me most is Warped Leatherezz (Pasadena 1979). From an FM broadcast, an enthusiastic audience and an incredible performance from Roxy, especially Phil and Paul. On the other hand, one of the worse bootlegs (as far as performances go) is from the same tour, just seventeen days before in Oakland. The setlist is identical but the performance is vague and half-hearted. And if we're talking fave Roxy boots, well the BBC Sessions HAVE to be in there (an official release would be most welcome), and one of the more curious ones is Sheffield 1974. The performance is great, but what's even better is the running commentary by the taper and his friends, it's hilarious. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:40:01 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... I gotta put my nickel's worth in here... I'd value comments from anyone else who saw the RM 2001 tour on both sides of the Atlantic. I found the North American audiences to be completely flat, regardless of how the band was on the night. Toronto (never open a tour in that city - audiences are dead), 2nd night in Boston (especially after the "sound fart" and onstage power-outtage) - both nights the band were good, but the audiences F L A T. Detroit... holy sh*t! The band was red-hot and the audience were a bunch of zombies, except for a small group at stage left who were having an amazing time, and the dipstick bouncer wouldn't let me go join 'em. I saw the first Hammersmith show, and even after my hosts commented that the audience were a bit flat, I was still amazed by the interaction with the stage, and the sheer enthusiasm. This opinion was backed up after catching Ferry in both Newcastle (2nd night - head to head with a Magpies/Juventus home game), and seeing the same show 19 days later in Toronto. Comments/opinions from other Pond-hoppers? H ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:49:24 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! >>Actually, my fine Irish friend, there were 2 nights on the tour, and >possibly more, where the audience gave it their all and the band was >indeed flat--the Washington, DC show and the second half of the second >night in Boston. > Sometimes I think the world would be a much better place without live albums or bootlegs, so that happy impressions of live work are allowed to linger. I was at the first of the New York reunion concerts, and thought it absolutely thrilling. Great to see them together again after all these years, look at all those feathers, love Bryan's vocal quality even if you can't quite call it singing. Andy can still blow. Look, here comes Fonzi Thornton, shrieking into the rafters! Standing ovations all round! Yey! A few months later the good offices of Avalon led me to a bootleg of the show, the first bootleg incidentally I've ever heard of a concert I was actually at. Without the atmosphere and excitement and anticipation, listening calmly to the music itself, I couldn't believe how mediocre it was. Bryan scarcely hit a single note successfully. Andy's solos sounded like the sort of thing a talented kid might play for his mother after a few months of lessons. Fonzi was vocally thin. The whole thing sounded like what I had convinced myself it wasn't: a last-gasp money maker for a group that was long past its prime. People here weighed up whether such-and-such a performance was better than the night or week or month before, (which they are entitled to do, of course!) while I have been wishing Bryan would cease live performing altogether, with or without his band mates. Which is not to say I have anything but glowing memories of that New York night, because I still love everything about him ( and even at his worst at least he isn't David 'Heathen 's a classic, innit?' Bowie) but I don't think I'll be buying the live album for a little while. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:41:16 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Middlesbrough and Caird Hall tickets Hiya, Just passing on some info I found out today.... Middlesbrough gig tickets went on sale yesterday!!!!! If you wanted balcony seats the furthest forward is the 3rd row. Otherwise it's standing room only downstairs. Dundee tickets are not on sale until after 21 June (my birthday as it happens!) unless you had tickets for the cancelled concert. If you had a ticket for the cancelled one you get priority!! Take care, Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:25:21 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Shefield 74 Simon,if only I had read your post an hour ago!I just saw that bootleg from Shefield selling for #10,I wish I had bought it now,it sounds special. I noticed today that Virgin in Ochecklove the new cd anyway, wdidn'DIDN'T BUY pouds,didn't buy it,didn't ibooeasIMONOh --- SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > > From: Daniel Atterbom > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB video > > > > At 09.59 +0100 03-06-04, SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > >>the Stockholm show is one of the most lacklustre > Roxy performances I've > >>seen/heard (the whole show that is, not just > OOTB). > > > > Hum, I like it a lot, why do you dislike it and > what show and bootleg are > > your fav? > > I know you like that one Daniel, and it is a good > show as far as setlist and > sound quality are concerned (i.e. a full show from a > professional recording) > but it's always sounded tired, flat and off-key to > me. Certainly the Roxy > magic was wearing thin by then. > > From listening to the various live recordings that > I've laid my hands on > over the years, I reckon Roxy were at their peak as > a live band in 1974 (the > majority of Viva is from that year). The songs from > Country Life worked well > in concert (better than they did on the album) and > the performances were > strong, tough, funky, confident, for ALL members. > The busy touring schedule > for Stranded (well over 6 months) transformed Roxy > from a good live band to > a great one. A shame they didn't maintain that > momentum. > > As far as fave bootlegs go, I really like the Berlin > 1974 show, and also > Painters Mill from the same year. But the one that > really impresses me most > is Warped Leatherezz (Pasadena 1979). From an FM > broadcast, an enthusiastic > audience and an incredible performance from Roxy, > especially Phil and Paul. > On the other hand, one of the worse bootlegs (as far > as performances go) is > from the same tour, just seventeen days before in > Oakland. The setlist is > identical but the performance is vague and > half-hearted. > > And if we're talking fave Roxy boots, well the BBC > Sessions HAVE to be in > there (an official release would be most welcome), > and one of the more > curious ones is Sheffield 1974. The performance is > great, but what's even > better is the running commentary by the taper and > his friends, it's > hilarious. > > SimonG > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 17:29:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Sorry I don't know what happened,something went wrong! __________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:57:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Dillon Subject: [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC EXPANDS TO MINI TOUR IN USA Hello Hello I am very happy to hear the following news. More Roxy Dates Added for the USA in 2003. Not sure when they are going on sale at the moment 25 July - Jones Beach, Wantagh, NY 26 July - Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY 29 July - DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI 31 July - Tweeter Centre, Tinley Park, IL All the best John Dillon "So boys & girls ya say you like that Rock & Roll Music do Ya?" D.L. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:06:19 +0100 From: "Tracy Elliott" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 and other times and places... >And if we're talking fave Roxy boots, well the BBC Sessions HAVE to be in >there (an official release would be most welcome), and one of the more >curious ones is Sheffield 1974. The performance is great, but what's even >better is the running commentary by the taper and his friends, it's >hilarious. >SimonG I'd agree with Sheffield, especially the "tell them to sit down in front" and the "it cost [can't remember to price, but a few pounds] and we don't expect to stand up" ..... given what now happens I doubt these people who appreciate it :) T - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:58:15 -0400 From: "David Martin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC EXPANDS TO MINI TOUR IN USA Great!Radio City a beautiful Art Deco Venue,perfect for Roxy.Now can we just get them to play The Mountain Winery in California (The finest intimate outdoor venue I've ever been to) regards DM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dillon" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC EXPANDS TO MINI TOUR IN USA > Hello Hello > > I am very happy to hear the following news. > > More Roxy Dates Added for the USA in 2003. > > Not sure when they are going on sale at the moment > > > 25 July - Jones Beach, Wantagh, NY > 26 July - Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY > 29 July - DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkston, MI > 31 July - Tweeter Centre, Tinley Park, IL > > All the best > John Dillon > > "So boys & girls ya say you like that Rock & Roll Music do Ya?" > D.L. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 18:19:26 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC EXPANDS TO MINI TOUR IN USA >Great!Radio City a beautiful Art Deco Venue,perfect for Roxy. Very exciting! Plus Jones Beach is a nice outdoor venue. I bought the Live CD this week for $26. Ouch. Not that I've had a chance to listen to it yet. M _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:05:15 +0200 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 and other times and places... Talking about them Roxy Boots. I agree with you Daniel, I think that the Stockholm concert 1976 is great, remember seing that on the tele 1976 in Sweden and that left an eternal impression (wasn't so common to see a violin player in a rock group then) :-) Thank heaven for that Roxy have had their ups and downs when they have performed at least we know that they are not machines :-) I also consider Siren a better album than Country Life well apart from OOTB and TTOIA /Kenneth - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Elliott" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 and other times and places... > >And if we're talking fave Roxy boots, well the BBC Sessions HAVE to be > in > >there (an official release would be most welcome), and one of the more > >curious ones is Sheffield 1974. The performance is great, but what's > even > >better is the running commentary by the taper and his friends, it's > >hilarious. > > >SimonG > > I'd agree with Sheffield, especially the "tell them to sit down in > front" and the "it cost [can't remember to price, but a few pounds] and > we don't expect to stand up" ..... given what now happens I doubt these > people who appreciate it :) > > T > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003 > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:20:46 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! > If you could take the time to read my full post you would find I was > actually praising the CD. I gave full credit to the band for giving > brilliant performances to such poor audiences..........considering I have > been a paying customer to every "Ferry/Roxy" tour since 1977 I have a right > to criticise the recent Roxy audiences if I choose to do so. > FACT. > for the first Roxy gig in June we were situated on the MENA tier having a > good vantage point of both stage and exit...we saw "for the first time ever" > at a Ferry/Roxy gig people leave........we counted between 70 and 80 people > leave the Arena mid-way through the set........ > Fact > Later in the year Roxy played another gig at the same arena........they only > sold half the tickets. > Fact > I used the word "Flat" in regard to the cd in answer to KW'S post who asked > the question why does it seem flat in comparison to VIVA. > FACT > I received my copy of the CD on the doormat at precisely 8.30am on the 2nd > of June. > FACT > Ididn't use the word asshole > FACT > I did not contradict myself, " mix of age and gender" (sex) never once > mentioning the class of person at the BOWIE gig. > ASSUMPTION > You don't go to many gigs. > ASSUMPTION > You get your "mt cafe" name from using a cyber cafe...........IF SO can I > suggest that you ask the proprietor of said cyber cafe to invest in new > hardware so you can get the chance to read the full script of the e-mails > and enable you to follow a thread with a little more accuracy. > In ending Roxy were good but the audiences were poor.........its a good cd > even though on this tour I consider that Bryan was feeding caviar to > PIGS...........not that I'm calling you a pig...cause like the word asshole > it might be deemed offensive. > Regards > Mark. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mt cafe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:56 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! > > > > From: "Mark Yates" > > Subject: [AVALON] Live CD. > > > > Thirdly.......The audience..., the audience are a major player in any live > album, its usually the audience that lift the band, they give all live > albums the "life,spirit and soul" if this album feels "Flat" it should come > as no surprise to anyone who was actually at any of the gigs........the > audience's were flat........the majority of the Roxy audience consisted of > middle aged, middle class bores, that wouldn't know how to enjoy a gig if > there lives depended on it."like the annoying gits" that stood next to me > who would rather discuss what restaurant they were going eat at and > contemplate what could be on the menu, rather than actually listen to the > music they had supposedly come to enjoy .Not even Dream home or Out of the > blue could lift them, they had no idea what they were listening > too.........of course there was the hardcore Roxy's who gave it "there all" > but they were considerably out numbered by the silent majority. Unlike on > Viva where the audience were one hundred! > > percent behind the band, giving the album a boost of > > energy........so if the new album comes across as flat...... that is a > true reflection of a flat audience . Personally I think its a wonderful > memento of some very memorable nights watching and listening to a great > band........what I find disappointing is that of all the many bands I have > seen live, Roxy are one of the very few that don't need to over dub.....they > gave it there all on that tour.........if only the lacklustre, > unappreciative, ignorant audience could have done the same. > > Regards MARK > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of concerts you attended, but any that I saw were > both exciting and electric with nothing "flat" about the audience and the > crowd joining in with every song from about second or third on. > > For someone who hasn't heard the CD yet, you have plenty to say about it! > How can you discuss something you have only heard from others.....are you > that easily swayed? Your thread is full of contradictions....good mix of age > and gender.....full of middle aged assholes.....which is it? The album will > be flat because the audience was unresponsive and didn't lift the > band......but the band gave it their all! So, are you going to buy the new > CD or are you going to take the word of those who can not take the rough > with the smooth? > > I would suggest that everyone that has moaned about the album so far, take > it back for a refund! I will not be influenced by any whinging and will > decide for myself when I get it, whether I like it or not! > > SJ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > http://www.lovemail.co.uk > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No > Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:39:34 -0400 From: "Caledonia Controls Inc." Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! The concert was soooooooo good that someone actually took the time to count the number of people leaving the arena during the show!!!!! Now there's an avid fan for you! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Yates" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! > > > > If you could take the time to read my full post you would find I was > > actually praising the CD. I gave full credit to the band for giving > > brilliant performances to such poor audiences..........considering I have > > been a paying customer to every "Ferry/Roxy" tour since 1977 I have a > right > > to criticise the recent Roxy audiences if I choose to do so. > > FACT. > > for the first Roxy gig in June we were situated on the MENA tier having a > > good vantage point of both stage and exit...we saw "for the first time > ever" > > at a Ferry/Roxy gig people leave........we counted between 70 and 80 > people > > leave the Arena mid-way through the set........ > > Fact > > Later in the year Roxy played another gig at the same arena........they > only > > sold half the tickets. > > Fact > > I used the word "Flat" in regard to the cd in answer to KW'S post who > asked > > the question why does it seem flat in comparison to VIVA. > > FACT > > I received my copy of the CD on the doormat at precisely 8.30am on the 2nd > > of June. > > FACT > > Ididn't use the word asshole > > FACT > > I did not contradict myself, " mix of age and gender" (sex) never once > > mentioning the class of person at the BOWIE gig. > > ASSUMPTION > > You don't go to many gigs. > > ASSUMPTION > > You get your "mt cafe" name from using a cyber cafe...........IF SO can I > > suggest that you ask the proprietor of said cyber cafe to invest in new > > hardware so you can get the chance to read the full script of the e-mails > > and enable you to follow a thread with a little more accuracy. > > In ending Roxy were good but the audiences were poor.........its a good cd > > even though on this tour I consider that Bryan was feeding caviar to > > PIGS...........not that I'm calling you a pig...cause like the word > asshole > > it might be deemed offensive. > > Regards > > Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mt cafe" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:56 AM > > Subject: [AVALON] Cry, Cry, Cry! > > > > > > > From: "Mark Yates" > > > Subject: [AVALON] Live CD. > > > > > > Thirdly.......The audience..., the audience are a major player in any > live > > album, its usually the audience that lift the band, they give all live > > albums the "life,spirit and soul" if this album feels "Flat" it should > come > > as no surprise to anyone who was actually at any of the gigs........the > > audience's were flat........the majority of the Roxy audience consisted of > > middle aged, middle class bores, that wouldn't know how to enjoy a gig if > > there lives depended on it."like the annoying gits" that stood next to me > > who would rather discuss what restaurant they were going eat at and > > contemplate what could be on the menu, rather than actually listen to the > > music they had supposedly come to enjoy .Not even Dream home or Out of the > > blue could lift them, they had no idea what they were listening > > too.........of course there was the hardcore Roxy's who gave it "there > all" > > but they were considerably out numbered by the silent majority. Unlike on > > Viva where the audience were one hundred! > > > percent behind the band, giving the album a boost of > > > energy........so if the new album comes across as flat...... that is a > > true reflection of a flat audience . Personally I think its a wonderful > > memento of some very memorable nights watching and listening to a great > > band........what I find disappointing is that of all the many bands I have > > seen live, Roxy are one of the very few that don't need to over > dub.....they > > gave it there all on that tour.........if only the lacklustre, > > unappreciative, ignorant audience could have done the same. > > > Regards MARK > > > > > > > > > I have no idea what sort of concerts you attended, but any that I saw > were > > both exciting and electric with nothing "flat" about the audience and the > > crowd joining in with every song from about second or third on. > > > For someone who hasn't heard the CD yet, you have plenty to say about > it! > > How can you discuss something you have only heard from others.....are you > > that easily swayed? Your thread is full of contradictions....good mix of > age > > and gender.....full of middle aged assholes.....which is it? The album > will > > be flat because the audience was unresponsive and didn't lift the > > band......but the band gave it their all! So, are you going to buy the new > > CD or are you going to take the word of those who can not take the rough > > with the smooth? > > > I would suggest that everyone that has moaned about the album so far, > take > > it back for a refund! I will not be influenced by any whinging and will > > decide for myself when I get it, whether I like it or not! > > > SJ > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > http://www.lovemail.co.uk > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com > w/No > > Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:54:09 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] was Cry, Cry, Cry!; now, so, hey, what about that re-reunion? So last week, in a conversation about Roxy Music, my partner mentioned something about how their constant reformation was a bit of a joke now in the music world. As at that time only the 2 European shows had been announced, I was a bit surprised and asked him what he meant. He assumed a mysterious air and told me to wait and see. And now we see more US dates added. So, uh, what is the point of this re-reunion? Another attempt on the part of Mr. Ferry to stay on the road? Are these just the first dates in another full-fledged tour? Is this in support of the new live album? Will the setlist change? Inquiring minds want to know what is going on, exactly. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:06:11 -0400 From: "Caledonia Controls Inc." Subject: Re: [AVALON] was Cry, Cry, Cry!; now, so, hey, what about that re-reunion? Are they making too may $$$$$$'s to turn a blind eye to a good thing here? I for one would love to see, if they have to do it again, a show where they play everything away from the norm, no Jealous Guy, Dance Away, Love Is....Then we'll see who the real admirers are. Let them play smaller venues. What is the real reason behind this 3rd. reunion? Is TGPT in the band? Just curious. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [AVALON] was Cry, Cry, Cry!; now, so, hey, what about that re-reunion? > So last week, in a conversation about Roxy Music, my partner mentioned something > about how their constant reformation was a bit of a joke now in the music world. > As at that time only the 2 European shows had been announced, I was a bit > surprised and asked him what he meant. He assumed a mysterious air and told me > to wait and see. And now we see more US dates added. > > So, uh, what is the point of this re-reunion? Another attempt on the part of > Mr. Ferry to stay on the road? Are these just the first dates in another > full-fledged tour? Is this in support of the new live album? Will the setlist > change? > > Inquiring minds want to know what is going on, exactly. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:00:39 -0400 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... I am one who did some "pond-jumping" in 2001 (7 shows, 6 cities, 3 in America, and 4 in the UK). For the most part I agree with Helen's comment about the flat N. American audiences, but I think it might have something to do with the big barns they play in. In Chicago, the audience was enthusiastic, but they were in a place they couldn't really fill. In Minneapolis, I wasn't sure I was at a Roxy concert or attending the premier of a foreign film, the audience was so quiet and polite. Concord was pretty loud (and the best show I saw), but again, the place wasn't filled. In the UK, I was stunned at the audience at the first Hammersmith show...so quiet! The second show was much different, but I attributed that to the film crew whipping the audience into a frenzy for celluloid purposes. By far the most enthusiastic concerts I saw were in Manchester, where even a half-filled hall was thunderous, and especially Glasgow, which sounded like the audiences on Viva!, and the only time I ever heard the "Roxy, Roxy" chant in earnest. Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Thorpe" To: "Avalon Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... > I gotta put my nickel's worth in here... > > I'd value comments from anyone else who saw the RM 2001 tour on both sides > of the Atlantic. I found the North American audiences to be completely > flat, regardless of how the band was on the night. Toronto (never open a > tour in that city - audiences are dead), 2nd night in Boston (especially > after the "sound fart" and onstage power-outtage) - both nights the band > were good, but the audiences F L A T. Detroit... holy sh*t! The band was > red-hot and the audience were a bunch of zombies, except for a small group > at stage left who were having an amazing time, and the dipstick bouncer > wouldn't let me go join 'em. > > I saw the first Hammersmith show, and even after my hosts commented that the > audience were a bit flat, I was still amazed by the interaction with the > stage, and the sheer enthusiasm. This opinion was backed up after catching > Ferry in both Newcastle (2nd night - head to head with a Magpies/Juventus > home game), and seeing the same show 19 days later in Toronto. > > Comments/opinions from other Pond-hoppers? > > H > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 02:14:09 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Flat Audiences... In a message dated 06/06/03 04:52:55 GMT Daylight Time, Seely31@attbi.com writes: > I am one who did some "pond-jumping" in 2001 (7 shows, 6 cities, 3 in > America, and 4 in the UK). For the most part I agree with Helen's comment > about the flat N. American audiences, > > I am glad that point is raised by an American One thing that stuck out in my mind at most of the USA shows I went to 2001 & 2002 was that the audience would walk out there seats and head to the bar for a drink and pop corn etc as if it was a cinema. It's one thing doing that at a movie in front of a projected celluloid image on a screen but I would imagine if i was on stage giving it my best and someone made the statement of "I would rather have a bag of popcorn and a coke than listen to your guitar solo" in front of my very eyes then my performance on stage would become a wee bit flat. I remember at the Ann Arbor show some guy almost boxing with someone because someone got up and stood against the stage, that's fair enough as he had bought a front row ticket but then the same guy went out to the bar during Spedding's My Only Love solo and came back with some coke and ice cream for him and the others in his party. That's the sort of thing that would make a flat performance from a musician. It's a bit like being in bed doing what nature intended us to do and when you are in full swing the woman you are with says " that wallpaper isn't hanging straight" I go to a pub to drink, I go to a concert to listen to music (though I have been known to have a wee drink before and after a show). This didn't happen at all the USA shows, Washington 930 club Frantic tour was one of the best shows that I went to and NYC Roxy 2001 was one of my highlights of that tour. I found some of the London shows flat too in that the audience seem to sit there and say "OK, go on entertain me let me see what you can do". Royal Albert Hall is like that and so was Royal Festival Hall. The first night at Hammersmith was worrying as we knew they were filming the next show for DVD. A lot of us spoke about that the next day and we had said it's up to us to get the show buzzing. We started the rOxy chant before Roxy came on and that was the catalyst for a great performance and a great crowd. Glasgow audiences are notorious for having no grey areas. They love what they like and hate what they don't like and they are not shy to show that. Glasgow culture tends to call "a spade a spade" where the Royal Albert Hall crowd may call it an 'agricultural excavating implement' and this shows at a Glasgow gig as they tend to let their hair down (those who still have some, I just shoogle my wallies) J.O'B. N.P "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth" ICE T On The Rox Re-mix ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:53:46 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 - ---------- >Von: "Amanda Lewis" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 >Datum: Mit, 4. Jun 2003 22:50 Uhr > >You should see me in my twinset! > >Ha, the first transvestite, sadistic dentist! > >...oh, and its never safe for you KB..... > >Neil. We recognized you anyway, Dr. CHS ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:17:51 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Middlesbrough ticket prices Hiya, Just another email to let you know that it is cheaper to get the Middlesbrough tickets direct from the venue rather than online. You will end up paying an extra #3 or #4 online. Price at venue is #28.50 or if you pay by credit card over the phone it's #29.50. Total price at gigs and tours website is #32.85 - they charge #2.85 for booking fee and #1.50 for postage! The number for Middlesbrough tickets at the venue is 01642 242 561. Take care! 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