From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #154 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, June 3 2003 Volume 08 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry Covers [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick] Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] Roxy Plays in August [Dusenbury1@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:21:35 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Covers At 23.59 +0200 03-06-01, Kenneth Nystrvm wrote: >But since both peak and valleys has been discussed here I feel that Mr. >Ferry showed poor judgement in including both Eight Miles High!!!!!! and >"In The Midnight Hour" on the Roxy Music album Flesh and Blood, but >perhaps that was a part of the strategy if they wanted to hit it off in >the US with that Album. He wanted to do one, "In The Midnight Hour" I think, and Manzanera wanted to do the other. Ferry said at a press conference that I attended at the time that's better to have two covers then one. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:48 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 In article <200306011320.h51DK6Jn016957@smoe.org>, ferryman@freeuk.com (Chris Turner) wrote: > I didn't really see this as an either/or situation John, it's jut > noticeable that a potential opportunity to enhance his reputation is > lost for the sake of a few shekels, whilst clearly less lucrative dates > are fulfilled. I do think it's entirely appropriate that Ferry is > honouring the cancelled dates and I give him due credit for that. I may have misunderstood what Phil told me about these concerts but, AFAIK, the situation was/is: 1. Hyde Park was offered first but the band were reluctant to do a 'one-off' 2. The Portugal gig was offered and, on the basis of this, it was decided to do both; 3. The US date came in at very short notice; 4. Rehearsals for these dates are not scheduled to start until towards the end of June making any performances in June (i.e. Glastonbury) a non-starter. Phil has never mentioned the possibility of doing Glastonbury (which I don't doubt he would have liked to do). So, either someone, somewhere isn't letting on to PM and AM about what dates the band has been offered or (shock, horror) someone, somewhere in the media is shit stirring for the hell of it. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 09:33:46 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 "Unless Middlesbrough made a better offer than Glastonbury, (and they know something about paying big money for has-beens in Boro...) would it be fair to say that Team BF has once again missed an open goal?" Chris, I too find this action questionable. The only reasonable answer I am able to conjure is there may have been a previously made commitment that could only be justifiably broken 'for a princely profit' (such as defraying the cost of a pre-paid holiday? or cancellation fees on another contractual obligation, or Ferry's plastic surgeon is only available that weekend, or ...). Another plausible explanation, one that has to do with Ferry's 'self image', maybe his possible abhorrence with headlining the 'golden oldies stage'! Guesses, both. BTW, I'm very much enjoying the 'peaks' discussion. Many and diverse points are being nicely raised by all. This is shaping up to be one of the best discussions on A-List in a very longtime! Bravo! to all who are contributing! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:44:45 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... While the packaging is fairly nice (although verging on the thrown together) I can't help but be massively disappointed by the Roxy Music Live cd that was released today in the UK. Did Ferry really not have access to any Sinex for the entire tour? Surely the cd is made redundant by the far superior Live dvd released a while back? And it features some some of the most appallingly glaring overdubs ever committed to record. Perhaps the most irritating facet of this less than essential release is the sticker on the front that reads: 'THE BEST OF ROXY MUSIC - LIVE IN CONCERT' 'Hooray! At last another Roxy best of' screams the public, thrilled at the chance to hear more from their 475th favourite band. I agree with John that it's good to hear More Than This which sounds great live but where is the cry of 'This is Roxy Music' after the first song? Why the truncated version of Streetlife when I'm sure he sang the full version elsewhere on the tour. Where are the band intros? Gone to make room for the dvd footage on the disc perhaps? Sell, sell, sell seems to be the cynical message here. This all leaves the question: Why was Viva Roxy Music such a good (if incomplete) representation of Roxy as a live band at that time and why does this cd strike me as so flat? J ps: After reading this post back to myself I realise that I come across as a right miserable bastard but I don't care. This is an utterly missable product. n/p Viva Roxy Music ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 08:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... - --- KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > And it features some some of the most appallingly > glaring overdubs ever > committed to record. > I agree with John that it's good to hear More Than > This >>> On listening to this track carefully, and remembering how it was sung during that tour, I get the feeling Ferry's entire vocal on this track could well be a complete studio overdub. Reecey... . . . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:50:57 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 - ---------- >Von: KB Porter >An: "avalon@smoe.org" >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 >Datum: Mon, 2. Jun 2003 13:33 Uhr > >defraying the cost of a pre-paid holiday? or cancellation >fees on another contractual obligation, or Ferry's plastic >surgeon is only available that weekend, or ...). Another If it had been a dental problem, I'm sure Neil Jones would've gladly fixed it. CHS ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:55:49 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Live More Than dubbed? Reecey, after relistening to this I think you have hit the nail on the head... J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:00:30 +0100 From: "Tracy Elliott" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... >>I agree with John that it's good to hear More Than >> This >>> >On listening to this track carefully, and remembering >how it was sung during that tour, I get the feeling >Ferry's entire vocal on this track could well be a >complete studio overdub. I'd have to agree with that, after listening to it a few times, it sounds like backing vocals have been added and BF himself is weak of voice. Honestly I think the Japan bootleg is far better for this song. Rhett Davies said that they had recorded this song 5 times and had mixed the versions together, so perhaps that's it. T - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:55:04 +0100 From: "Amanda Lewis" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian H. Soetemann" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 > ---------- > >Von: KB Porter > >An: "avalon@smoe.org" > >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 > >Datum: Mon, 2. Jun 2003 13:33 Uhr > > > > >defraying the cost of a pre-paid holiday? or cancellation > >fees on another contractual obligation, or Ferry's plastic > >surgeon is only available that weekend, or ...). Another > > If it had been a dental problem, I'm sure Neil Jones would've gladly fixed > it. > > CHS > LOOK, FOR THE LAST TIME, I'M NOT.......oh, never mind! Neil ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:07:40 -0400 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy live CD - Some Thoughts... This all leaves the question: Why was Viva Roxy Music such a good (if incomplete) representation of Roxy as a live band at that time and why does this cd strike me as so flat? Listened to VIVA! a few weeks ago. It was really good but so choppy. I like my live albums to represent an actual concert: crowd roar, band takes the stage, great opening song and we're off. (See "The Who Live at Leeds" or Oasis' "Familiar to Millions"). On first listening to VIVA! I knew that Roxy would not very likely open with OOTB and that the set was WAAAAAAAAY too short. Still it has its electrifying moments. May I suggest that VIVA! was as good as it was due to the presence of Young Edwin??? Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 02:41:07 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] Live CD. In reply to most of the Threads concerning the new live CD I already feel in the minority by stating that I feel it is a good and almost true reflection of the tour. It obviously doesn't compare with Viva, and for Three very good reasons, Firstly each track on Viva is brilliant lets not forget that Viva was recorded long before the poor last three albums.....could you imagine songs like "DANCE AWAY" or "OH YEAH" on VIVA??? Secondly, Just one word Eddie....a master musician who shone bright in the studio and even brighter when faced with a live audience.. Thirdly.......The audience..., the audience are a major player in any live album, its usually the audience that lift the band, they give all live albums the "life,spirit and soul" if this album feels "Flat" it should come as no surprise to anyone who was actually at any of the gigs........the audience's were flat........to give three comparisons of bands I've seen since the re-union gigs.....Coldplay..the audience was young vibrant and enthusiastic of everything that was played(not unlike the days of Viva).........Moby.... there was a good mix of ages and cross section of society, and totally full of enthusiasm..........Bowie......... from the moment he walked on stage the audience which was about the same mix in both age and gender as the Roxy gigs were, enthusiastic and hung on every note played, and every word sung, from the early songs to the later songs the packed 25000 strong crowd knew and appreciated exactly what they were listening to.............In comparison The Roxy audiences were "Flat" They had very little appreciation of the early material and only came to life when the more commercial songs were being played......... unlike the three previously mentioned acts the majority of the Roxy audience consisted of middle aged, middle class bores, that wouldn't know how to enjoy a gig if there lives depended on it."like the annoying gits" that stood next to me who would rather discuss what restaurant they were going eat at and contemplate what could be on the menu, rather than actually listen to the music they had supposedly come to enjoy .Not even Dream home or Out of the blue could lift them, they had no idea what they were listening too.........of course there was the hardcore Roxy's who gave it "there all" but they were considerably out numbered by the silent majority. Unlike on Viva where the audience were one hundred percent behind the band, giving the album a boost of energy........so if the new album comes across as flat...... that is a true reflection of a flat audience . Personally I think its a wonderful memento of some very memorable nights watching and listening to a great band......... I agree there has been some over dubs........but surely this is common practice on most live albums.......apart from "David Live" I cant think of another live album that hasn't been touched up in one way or another .......I can fully understand why they have touched it up, they are yet again looking for perfection, what I find disappointing is that of all the many bands I have seen live, Roxy are one of the very few that don't need to over dub.....they gave it there all on that tour.........if only the lacklustre, unappreciative, ignorant audience could have done the same. Regards MARK............Oh" and welcome Barbara always nice to welcome a new member. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:52:37 EDT From: Dusenbury1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Plays in August Greetings! I see that Roxy Music is scheduled to play the Orange County Fair in Costa Mesa, CA in August. Very exciting!! Diane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #154 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest