From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #153 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, June 2 2003 Volume 08 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] ...I'm the honey All your money just can't buy... ["Chris Tu] Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park ["frantic22" ] RE: [AVALON] Hyde Park ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Roxy Live CD [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Live CD [OBrienFerry@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] New Solo Dates/Hyde Park seating plan ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] New [Barbara Uhal ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:37:43 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 I think one of the problems is that Ferry is signed to Virgin Germany andthe London Virgin office treats him and other "Germans" like the UK treats visiting German football teams (soccer for you US meltingpoters). Also Ferry might want to do Glastonbury, but Manzanera et al want money, since they have other sources of income. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:37:00 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys At 02.34 +0200 03-06-01, Kenneth Nystrvm wrote: >Interesting reading regarding the Lennon - McCartney issue is >"a revolution in my head" by the ex NME journalist Ian MacDonald who >claims that McCartney was the avantgarde one not Lennon in the beginning. >:-) And 801 bass player Bill MacCormick's brother Ian MacDonald is quit right. Now has Ferry covered more Lennon songs then McCartney songs? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 05:43:42 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 I think Bryan playing Middlesborough is more about honouring the March show that he cancelled 3 hours before his performance than a choice over playing Glastonbury. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] ...I'm the honey All your money just can't buy... - --- Chris Turner wrote: > This was taken from the BBC site... > That means the Sunday "golden oldie" slot - > previously taken by the > likes of Rod Stewart, Tom Jones and Tony Bennett - > will be vacant after > organisers said they could not afford Bryan Ferry. Wonder what the actual facts are. At the end of the day Glastonbury would have surely offered Ferry (Roxy?) a big wedge of cash coupled with the exposure that Glastonbury brings. Rod Stewart's performance at Glastonbury was pretty flat, I'm sure that his solo shows are much better. Maybe theres more to the Roxy/Glastonbury story than meets the eye? Was it a fear of failure at Glastonbury rather than a lack of cash? REM/Moby are almost certs to do the business at Glastonbury, maybe Roxy weren't? Aleks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 08:37:54 EDT From: JaniceJanroxy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 But what about the cancelled Glasgow show, there has been no mention of that, or have I missed something??? Janice I think Bryan playing Middlesborough is more about honouring the March show that he cancelled 3 hours before his performance than a choice over playing Glastonbury. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:05:03 +0100 From: "rmfyp" Subject: [AVALON] Fear or complacency? Over recent years it seems that our hero is afraid of being adventurous. Or is the truth more the fact that he can make a relatively good living touring on his own, churning out the same songs, with the recent reformation of Roxy guaranteeing a nice little earner without too much effort? Since the mid 80's we've seen so many Hits packages while his solo work, although gaining critical acclaim, has not been particularly financially rewarding. Glastonbury - I doubt if they would be too appreciative of the "greatest hits" package we had a couple of years ago but would Bryan dare to risk performing See Breezes, Strictly Confidential et al in front of an audience who have been brought up on the likes of Radiohead etc. Wouldn't this be an ideal opportunity to introduce a young audience to some of the most influential rock ever written/composed/performed? My guess (sadly) is that he's quite happy in performing the same old perfected routine, with the addition now and then of a few new numbers, to the same crowd - namely us - who have been following RM/BF for over 30 years. No effort, good income and no fear of failure. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:17:12 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 I didn't really see this as an either/or situation John, it's jut noticeable that a potential opportunity to enhance his reputation is lost for the sake of a few shekels, whilst clearly less lucrative dates are fulfilled. I do think it's entirely appropriate that Ferry is honouring the cancelled dates and I give him due credit for that. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of OBrienFerry@aol.com Sent: 01 June 2003 10:44 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 I think Bryan playing Middlesborough is more about honouring the March show that he cancelled 3 hours before his performance than a choice over playing Glastonbury. J.O'B. ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:21:06 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] ...I'm the honey All your money just can't buy... >From previous experiences, I know that Glastonbury are pretty good at obliquely letting the media know when they feel slighted. Michael Eavis might be a hippy dairy farmer, but he's also one shrewd cookie. Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Aleks Kocan Sent: 01 June 2003 12:00 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] ...I'm the honey All your money just can't buy... Wonder what the actual facts are. At the end of the day Glastonbury would have surely offered Ferry (Roxy?) a big wedge of cash coupled with the exposure that Glastonbury brings. Rod Stewart's performance at Glastonbury was pretty flat, I'm sure that his solo shows are much better. Maybe theres more to the Roxy/Glastonbury story than meets the eye? Was it a fear of failure at Glastonbury rather than a lack of cash? REM/Moby are almost certs to do the business at Glastonbury, maybe Roxy weren't? Aleks ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:28:05 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park > Having bought a ticket in block A on spec, I'm not pleased. > > Chris Me too, I'm also feeling very cynical about the whole thing. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:10:51 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hyde Park News might be brighter Terry. I'm assured that this plan is erroneous and that Block A is front stage right. I'll have a new plan up for display soon. Regards Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of frantic22 Sent: 01 June 2003 14:28 To: ferryman@freeuk.com; avalon Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park > Having bought a ticket in block A on spec, I'm not pleased. > > Chris Me too, I'm also feeling very cynical about the whole thing. Terry "O" ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Live CD It was given to me yesterday for my birthday,the exquisite packaging alone is worth the price,it's beautifully designed,the best of all their cds,except the Thrill Of It All Boxset,of course.JL. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:33:10 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Solo Dates when do tickets go on sale?????????????? Tracy >From: CHRISTOPHER TURNER >Reply-To: ferryman@freeuk.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] New Solo Dates >Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:49:58 +0100 > >Third attempt...Ferry has added three solo dates in November this year: > > >Nov 12 - Middlesbrough Town Hall >Nov 14 - Dundee, Caird Hall >Nov 16 - Aberdeen, Music Hall > >Regards > >Chris > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:37:00 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Live CD I can't add much more to what Reecey said about the new live album. I have played More Than This & If There Is something a lot mainly because they are not on the DVD. Over all the sound is great and should put to bed all those audience recording bootlegs. More Than This sounds better than I remember it, the words "over" & "dub" spring to mind. A few credits are missing on the sleeve. Vicky Akpewrene replaced Sarah Brown for several shows and some of those shows are on the disc, she gets no mention yet Michelle John Douglas & Sharon White get a credit, obviously for some overdubs. The vocal on For Your Pleasure sounds to me as if that has been redone in the studio. The one thing I would have like to have heard on the album is the Roxy chant at the encore and there are no band introductions. The only thing Ferry says on the whole double album is "Phil Manzanera " after Ladytron and "on saxophone Andy MacKay " after A Song For Europe The packaging is very neat and very 'Roxy', oh and apparently it says on the sleeve that if you write to some PO box number you can get more information on Roxy Music. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:48:04 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Solo Dates/Hyde Park seating plan They're not on sale yet. Suggest you bombard the box office for details. Were you all given refunds for the first date, or are existing tickets still valid I wonder? And isn't the 'Boro gig all standing? Anyway, courtesy of Duncan Watkins I now have an updated Hyde Park seating plan. http://www.roxyrama.com/hydepark.htm Unfortunately the plan only gives the front row positions. My thanks to Duncan. Regards Chris - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Connell Sent: 01 June 2003 17:33 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Solo Dates when do tickets go on sale?????????????? Tracy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:07:18 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Solo Dates/Hyde Park seating plan We got a refund from the cancelled concerts. Middlesbrough was a standing gig if you wanted to be downstairs, or you could be seated on the balcony. Have to go through the whole 'getting tickets' thing again!!! I hate that part. Tracy >From: "Chris Turner" >To: >Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Solo Dates/Hyde Park seating plan >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:48:04 +0100 > >They're not on sale yet. Suggest you bombard the box office for details. >Were you all given refunds for the first date, or are existing tickets >still valid I wonder? And isn't the 'Boro gig all standing? > >Anyway, courtesy of Duncan Watkins I now have an updated Hyde Park >seating plan. > >http://www.roxyrama.com/hydepark.htm > >Unfortunately the plan only gives the front row positions. > >My thanks to Duncan. > >Regards > >Chris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of >Tracy Connell >Sent: 01 June 2003 17:33 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Solo Dates > > >when do tickets go on sale?????????????? > >Tracy > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:30:41 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tracy=20Marshall?= Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Has anyone gone for a VIP ticket? - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:03:02 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Major Tom on Ferry Peakes and Troughs... I have just been reading a delightful book entitled 'To Major Tom' which is a series of imaginary fan letters written over the years to David Bowie. Roxy and Ferry are mentioned throughout and one phrase sticks in my mind: 'I sometimes think that Bryan Ferry tries too hard at being Bryan Ferry.' I think this hits the nail firmly on the head with regard to his output since Roxy split up. Albums that are of exactly the same style and content with years between release dates. Of course each record contains some gems but to the public at large the lack of variation renders Ferry as boring. Suppose Ferry had released an album in 1987 that wasn't Bete Noire but instead had a more Frantic-ish volume. I genuinely believe that Ferry got trapped in his Avalon persona which ultimately has damaged his public persona. Which way to go forward? Obviously the Glastonbury (dis)appearance is a major missed chance. I really don't see why he can't pull his finger out and release (a) a new Roxy album (Im thinking about Siren or Country Life era Roxy here) and (b) a contempory covers solo album (any suggestions? I'm up for him doing something from Goldfrapp's first album). J n/p Bryan Ferry 'This Love' (The way to go?) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:25:00 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys Kenneth, Many bands reach their creative peak in their earliest recordings while others reach their peak later on, after they have had time to fine-tune their sound. I think Roxy Music falls into the first category. Their sound became more mainstream after the first four albums. And since Ferry has always been the frontman, I think many of us, myself included, thought that his solo career would be equally brilliant. But Ferry solo could never capture the lightning in a bottle that both he and the rest of the band held in their hands in the early 70's. I'm not bashing Ferry for this...just stating my opinion about his music and his career. Like I said in an earlier post, Ferry's music is still better than 80% of everything else out there. I guess I just expected more....or wanted more. Perhaps it was unfair of me to have such high expectations. Those early albums were magic, and I'm just fortunate that I was lucky enough to discover them when so many other people didn't. It was unrealistic of me to expect that magic to continue. Also, nice point about Jobson. keith np: righteously / lucinda willaims > Janice and Keith, > > I just wanted to comment abit on the peaks and valleys you have expressed. > I also consider the first 3 albums of Roxy Music their best but I think that > with the appearence of Eddie Jobson, the gained a brilliant musician > who put his trademark on such outstanding (in my opinion) tracks like > "out of the blue" and "both ends burning" > I however think that Frantic is quite ok , I was never so impressed with > some > material that Ferry released in the 80's, to my mind too laid-back and > overproduced > but that was perhaps a natural process since the last Roxy Music albums > pointed > in that direction. > I'm going to listen to Bryan Ferry again in June so perhaps since it's a > Roxy Music concert in Hyde Park coming up he might put it some more Roxy > numbers. > Interesting reading regarding the Lennon - McCartney issue is > "a revolution in my head" by the ex NME journalist Ian MacDonald who > claims that McCartney was the avantgarde one not Lennon in the beginning. > :-) > > Kenneth > > > > > > Janice...this is a reply to you as well as the group. I just wanted to > say > > that I echo your sentiments exactly, and I was most touched by your first > > paragraph. The first three albums for me were the epitome of Roxy > Music.The > > fourth album...Country Life I believe....was still very enjoyable but > things > > deteriorated after that. Roxy Music are my fave band of all-time as > > well....but they would not be if it were not for the first three albums. > I'm > > glad that others enjoy the later albums and tthe Ferry solo work. But I > > could never find the "spark" in those recordings. I sometimes wonder if > > Brian Eno was not John Lennon to Ferry's Paul McCartney. After Eno left, > the > > band lost some of their edge. Then I think Ferry began writing music to go > > with the times.....perhaps a wise move financially but not creatively. > > Perhaps Ferry needed Eno to challenge him creatively like Lennon > challenged > > McCartney. Now the fact that Roxy seem to be hinting at reforming for > > possibly an extended time (the new tour dates, possibly more to come) both > > excites me and scares me. On one hand, I would love for the band to record > > new material and release a new album......but on the other hand, I'm > afraid > > that such an album might be so disappointing to me that it might tarnish > the > > band's legend. > > > > keith > > np: the art of stopping / wire > > > > > > > In reply to the other posts on this subject, Roxy Music are my all time > > > farourite band so I feel that I am allowed to criticise when I feel it > is > > > appropriate. For me Roxy Music are Bryan Ferry, Andy Mackay, Phil > > Manzanera , Paul > > > Thompson and Brian Eno / Eddie Jobson. Their best work was between 1972 > > and 1975, > > > the later albums after they reformed were good but lacked the original > > spark > > > that existed in their earlier work. > > > They are all better together in a group than solo, none of them > > ever,IMHO, > > > made the grade as solo artists, not having the commercial sucess of Roxy > > as a > > > whole. Bryan Ferry whilst still selling lots of albums, has become a > > little > > > bland, although I do like Frantic he doesn't seem able to keep up this > > momentum. > > > > > > I don't think Roxy could ever recapture the magic of their early work > and > > > don't think they should even try as I feel I would be disappointed, > > although in > > > saying that when / if they do another commercial tour I for one would > like > > to > > > hear some of their lesser well known songs. It is us, the die hard fans, > > who > > > put them where they are and LITD etc. have become a little bit boring > > especially > > > when they are also done on Bryan Ferry's solo tours. > > > Although I can see the point that Bryan Ferry wrote the songs for the > most > > > part it was Roxy as a whole that brought them to life. And having said > all > > that > > > I would still buy anything they release, solo or as a group, and would > > still > > > go to see them if they come near my neck of the woods. > > > Just a few of my thoughts Janice. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:59:45 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Covers My favourite Ferry covers are "A Hard Rains a-Gonna Fall" , (Heard him do this again at the shephards bush in London in March, A real cracker) "Sympathy For The Devil" ( I think this is a much better version than the original by the Stones, probably get hanged for this :-) "The In Crowd" ( still blows me away after all these years, the guitar by David O'List is vicious) "Let's Stick Together" (pure power, never heard the original of this) "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" ( the current saxophone player must be a bit fed up that he have to play the same solo note by note as on the recording from 74) :-) "Carrickfergus" (even though it has been played abit too much here and there, Ferry does it great) But since both peak and valleys has been discussed here I feel that Mr. Ferry showed poor judgement in including both Eight Miles High!!!!!! and "In The Midnight Hour" on the Roxy Music album Flesh and Blood, but perhaps that was a part of the strategy if they wanted to hit it off in the US with that Album. Kenneth ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:49:05 -0400 From: Barbara Uhal Subject: [AVALON] Test Delivered? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:09:45 -0400 From: Barbara Uhal Subject: [AVALON] New I'm new to the group, hope this posts! if it does, Thanks Colleen. Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were no record company executives to answer to, no album chart positions to compare and anticipated financing to generate. I think it would be any musician-artist's dream to have total control of a project. I think record company contractual obligations and the legality of the industry may hinder many an artist's creative output - or least stifle it some what. If the previous album did well on the charts, Why break the formula? seems to be the industry's motto. A true story: some years ago I went to see the band Ministry with a group of friends. I introduced my friends to Ministry's music, they loved the song " You've got to work for Love", along with the bands other new wave-ish, dance tunes. We were all hyped for the show, but when Ministry came on stage, their format completely changed! We expected " You've got to work for Love", instead, we got " Just one more hit". We where expecting dance music, not hard rock. I was willing to stay and hear them out, but my friends wanted the leave. The change was just to radical for them. The point of this story is that if an artist moves out of the - what people expect range - some people will not give it a chance. My friends did not even stay for the second song, they weren't the only people to leave that club that night. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #153 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest