From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #152 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, June 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] peaks ["Alan Wellbelove" ] [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys ["Charlene M. Haddad" ] [AVALON] New Ferry Dates ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 [CHRISTOPHER TURNER ] [AVALON] Peakes [Karin Whitney ] [AVALON] Hyde Park [CHRISTOPHER TURNER ] [AVALON] Start 'em young... [CHRISTOPHER TURNER ] Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 ["Amanda Lewis" ] Fw: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F] Fwd: [AVALON] Hyde Park [Jocelynfiske@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 11:33:46 +0100 From: "Alan Wellbelove" Subject: [AVALON] peaks I'm not sure about Pete, or was it Keith's assertion that 'Roxy were far more popular than Ferry as a solo artist'. I recall Ferry being interviewed in the late Seventies around the time of IYM, or TBSB on the same subject. He stated that (at the time) the first two solo albums were his biggest sellers in the UK (outselling any of the Roxy albums). So it seems sales wise Roxy were not the more popular at least until after they reformed. Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 08:12:36 -0700 From: "Charlene M. Haddad" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys Hello All, Good points from all three gentlemen. I would add this to the discussion: Ferry is the architect of Roxy Music. The framework and the dream were, IMO, mainly his. So, in one sense, it is "fair" that he be allowed to use RM songs on tour. He would be the person with the greatest right to claim them as his own. But (getting back to the architect metaphor) what about the people who laid the bricks, engineered the structure to make the dream a viable reality, et cetera? Do they not deserve just as much credit? Perhaps, but they have nowhere near as much perceived ownership in the sense of who gets associated with the finished product. That's a tough judgement to make, but it will always fall in Ferry's favor. And regarding the solo career, I would say the members of the band have a tempering effect on each other. I enjoy the solo works I've heard, but I have never loved ANY solo project as much as I have loved what Roxy can accomplish together (BTW,I refer to the Roxy that includes TGPT). Like you three, I am not as impressed with recent works as I have been with others, but remain cautiously hopeful. They still exceed the quality of most other music. I just don't know if there is another FYP, and don't even know if there should be. Has anyone ever bottled lightning as many times as Ferry? And have they ever done it again 30 years later? Cheers, CMH ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:00:23 EDT From: JaniceJanroxy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys In reply to the other posts on this subject, Roxy Music are my all time farourite band so I feel that I am allowed to criticise when I feel it is appropriate. For me Roxy Music are Bryan Ferry, Andy Mackay, Phil Manzanera , Paul Thompson and Brian Eno / Eddie Jobson. Their best work was between 1972 and 1975, the later albums after they reformed were good but lacked the original spark that existed in their earlier work. They are all better together in a group than solo, none of them ever,IMHO, made the grade as solo artists, not having the commercial sucess of Roxy as a whole. Bryan Ferry whilst still selling lots of albums, has become a little bland, although I do like Frantic he doesn't seem able to keep up this momentum. I don't think Roxy could ever recapture the magic of their early work and don't think they should even try as I feel I would be disappointed, although in saying that when / if they do another commercial tour I for one would like to hear some of their lesser well known songs. It is us, the die hard fans, who put them where they are and LITD etc. have become a little bit boring especially when they are also done on Bryan Ferry's solo tours. Although I can see the point that Bryan Ferry wrote the songs for the most part it was Roxy as a whole that brought them to life. And having said all that I would still buy anything they release, solo or as a group, and would still go to see them if they come near my neck of the woods. Just a few of my thoughts Janice. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:15:32 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys Roxy became Mr Ferry's band, the management forced the relucant and (I guess) rather shy Ferry up front, Phil Manzanera told me in 2001. It could have gone another way, with Manzanera. Mackay, Eno and even Rik Kenton writing songs. but the combination of songwriter and front man is unbeatable. That Bryan Ferry wrote the songs on the first two albums are a credited fact, but apart from mr Ferry those two first albums also spawned an even more succesful career of Brian Eno in terms of cultural capital and actual money capital (even a small percentage of the profits of all those Talking Heads, Bowie, U2 and James albums adds up). Also Phil Manzanera has become a very respected producer and player of and on Latino albums. I would also rank a few of Eno's solo albums and 801 Live over some of Ferry's and even Roxy Music's albums, something that is debatable on this list. But's that's a question like why God hates Belsebub. :-) NP Crowded House, Hole in the river live Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:19:53 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #150 Part of the confusion is caused by the record company and whoever agreed the artwork and track details for the various greatest hits comps floating around, as there have been at least 4 compilations since 1986 using both Roxy & Ferry tracks, and most radio stations use compilation cd's (I write with first hand experience). So, they probably don't know exactly who does what, and most radio jocks just read whatever's in front of them on the running order and generally don't care (I have often observed). That confusion extends to casual punters who probably only own the mixed greatest hits compilations and they turn up at Roxy gigs expecting to hear Let's Stick Together, Slave To Love etc. At least they're not disappointed at Ferry gigs. SimonG > From: "Nigel Hollis" > Subject: [AVALON] Roxy shows > > Chris Clare wrote :- > > ."..............many people > at Roxy shows confuse them with Bryan Ferry shows" > > Including dumb ass DJ`s on the radio who confuse Roxy and Ferry per se. > > On or around the eve of the first Roxy world tour gig in Dublin I happened for > some reason to tune the car radio more by accident than design briefly to one > of the UK southern regions "classic play" radio stations (the name of which > now escapes me) when, to my complete astonishment and delight the DJ announces > that the first Roxy reunion gig was about to happen in Dublin. Of course my > ears pricked up big time on hearing this. Completely astonished and so excited > even to be hearing this announcement especially on "local" radio and, when he > said that they were about to "play next a classic Roxy Music song" I was > instantly guessing the song and mentally betting on LITD,VP or Dance Away etc. > > Well, after the obligitory interminable "naff" adverts had finally ended the > apprehension was getting to me. I slowed the car down turned up the volume to > maximum decibels eagerly awaiting the opening chords to whatever was in store, > and what turned out to be the "classic" RM song?...Lets Stick Together!!.... > groan, groan - I just wished he hadn`t bothered. Talk about a let down. I > remember cursing the DJ for his ignorance and at the same time vowed never to > listen to the station again. Decided to stick with the CD player. > > Hi to everyone, and see you all in Hyde Park. > > Ciao, > > Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:00:06 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy peaks and Ferry valleys >I particularly like Tom's point about the blurring of the lines between >Ferry's solo output and Roxy. I agree that the compilations have >contributed >in large part to this confusion, but I think the issue goes much deeper. I >believe that Ferry himself has deliberately blurred the lines, through the >aforementioned compilations, but also through his insistence on playing >Roxy >songs like LITD, Do the Strand, IEDHAH, Avalon, Dance Away, etc., ad >nauseum, precisely so he can reclaim them. A friend of mine asserts that he >has every right to do this, because they are "his" songs. But would you >call >a song like "Ladytron," which he did on the Mamouna tour, strictly "his" >song? As good of a tune as it is, how wonderful is it to hear without Andy >Mackay's beautiful opening oboe, one of the greatest solos in rock music, >IMHO. > I myself think the distinction between solo Ferry and Roxy is largely an artificial one, Roxy being so much Ferry's group, even allowing for the other two men. It was formed by Ferry, lead by Ferry, Ferry wrote most of the songs, and when someone else looked like becoming the highlight he was thrown out. Early on the difference appeared clear - Roxy does 'poetic' sunset rock, Ferry alone does arch cover versions. But even those early albums seemed, and seem more now, entwined with each other. FOR YOUR PLEASURE throws light on THESE FOOLISH THINGS, and vice versa. The covers don't quite exist as independent pieces, they're very much the arthouse take on old songs of the Roxy frontman. Indeed, without Roxy they literally wouldn't exist, the solo career only coming about as a result of the group. ( Nobody thinks demos of HARD RAIN or FINGERPOPPIN' would have yielded a recording contract!) So the obvious blurring of the lines which comes in the early eighties with BOYS AND GIRLS, regarded by most as AVALON part two and incidentally using many of the same players, to my mind is the natural, organic tying together of the two strands. On reflection that tying together was inevitable, the culmination of the first decade of Ferry's work. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:32:18 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys Janice...this is a reply to you as well as the group. I just wanted to say that I echo your sentiments exactly, and I was most touched by your first paragraph. The first three albums for me were the epitome of Roxy Music.The fourth album...Country Life I believe....was still very enjoyable but things deteriorated after that. Roxy Music are my fave band of all-time as well....but they would not be if it were not for the first three albums. I'm glad that others enjoy the later albums and tthe Ferry solo work. But I could never find the "spark" in those recordings. I sometimes wonder if Brian Eno was not John Lennon to Ferry's Paul McCartney. After Eno left, the band lost some of their edge. Then I think Ferry began writing music to go with the times.....perhaps a wise move financially but not creatively. Perhaps Ferry needed Eno to challenge him creatively like Lennon challenged McCartney. Now the fact that Roxy seem to be hinting at reforming for possibly an extended time (the new tour dates, possibly more to come) both excites me and scares me. On one hand, I would love for the band to record new material and release a new album......but on the other hand, I'm afraid that such an album might be so disappointing to me that it might tarnish the band's legend. keith np: the art of stopping / wire > In reply to the other posts on this subject, Roxy Music are my all time > farourite band so I feel that I am allowed to criticise when I feel it is > appropriate. For me Roxy Music are Bryan Ferry, Andy Mackay, Phil Manzanera , Paul > Thompson and Brian Eno / Eddie Jobson. Their best work was between 1972 and 1975, > the later albums after they reformed were good but lacked the original spark > that existed in their earlier work. > They are all better together in a group than solo, none of them ever,IMHO, > made the grade as solo artists, not having the commercial sucess of Roxy as a > whole. Bryan Ferry whilst still selling lots of albums, has become a little > bland, although I do like Frantic he doesn't seem able to keep up this momentum. > > I don't think Roxy could ever recapture the magic of their early work and > don't think they should even try as I feel I would be disappointed, although in > saying that when / if they do another commercial tour I for one would like to > hear some of their lesser well known songs. It is us, the die hard fans, who > put them where they are and LITD etc. have become a little bit boring especially > when they are also done on Bryan Ferry's solo tours. > Although I can see the point that Bryan Ferry wrote the songs for the most > part it was Roxy as a whole that brought them to life. And having said all that > I would still buy anything they release, solo or as a group, and would still > go to see them if they come near my neck of the woods. > Just a few of my thoughts Janice. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:18:55 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Boys and Girls I disagree In reference to Boys and Girls Thom Wallace said : >but round about where I stay it was seen as a disappointment in the sense that it was heavily over produced and didn't have much content I don't know where you stay, but I stay in a Los Angeles suburb called Sherman Oaks. The album reviews I can vaguely recall from that time, were mostly complimentary. I think it was seen as a well produced record. I think its appeal at the time had to do with its sophistication without being bland. I happen to find Boys and Girls to be Bryan's best solo effort and i think it stacks up nicely to his best Roxy Music output. I do think he was riding a nice little streak after Bete Noire and his disappearance couldn't have come at a worst time for him. Bryan did discuss problems with writers block, and not being as creative as Bryan, I could only imagine the horror of such a predicament. Lets hope the creative juices are flowing again. Maybe we can start a chain reaction. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:49:58 +0100 From: CHRISTOPHER TURNER Subject: [AVALON] New Solo Dates Third attempt...Ferry has added three solo dates in November this year: Nov 12 - Middlesbrough Town Hall Nov 14 - Dundee, Caird Hall Nov 16 - Aberdeen, Music Hall Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:30:23 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] New Ferry Dates Ferry has added three solo dates in November this year: Nov 12 - Middlesbrough Town Hall Nov 14 - Dundee, Caird Hall Nov 16 - Aberdeen, Music Hall Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:38:09 +0100 From: CHRISTOPHER TURNER Subject: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 Let me just summarise my previous two posts while you all fight over which dustyrelic of the past is better than the other. Roxy Music are offered the opportunity to top the bill on the final night of the biggest festival in Britain (REM and Radiohead, two of the world's biggest bands, being the other headliners) This would have offered an increased profile, live TV coverage and some much needed connection with a younger audience. (Bowie, Rod and Tom Jones all having benefitted from a new credibility via Glastonbury appearances) According to the media, Roxy ask for too much money and are told where to go. Meanwhile Ferry confirms his appearance at Middlesbrough Town Hall on a cold night in November. Unless Middlesbrough made a better offer than Glastonbury, (and they know something about paying big money for has-beens in Boro...) would it be fair to say that Team BF has once again missed an open goal? Another thing. If BF is to continue touring as a solo artist, can we see this summer's Roxy gigs as anything other than the Roxy Music Showband going through the motions one more time? Chris - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:45:40 -0700 From: Karin Whitney Subject: [AVALON] Peakes Ditto...valiantly and eloquently said. I couldn't agree more. Furthermore, I was personally dismayed and disappointed with Frantic. It is quite lacking that certain special "something." After listening several times to this cd I found myself extremely bored by the music and left wanting and wishing for something more substantial... Still a fan, Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:39:13 +0100 From: CHRISTOPHER TURNER Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Apologies for the earlier double post. I'm having some e-mail problems. I have what purports to be the seating plan for Hyde Park. Maybe someone can confirm this? You can view it here: http://www.roxyrama.com/hydepark.htm Having bought a ticket in block A on spec, I'm not pleased. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:16:27 +0100 From: CHRISTOPHER TURNER Subject: [AVALON] Start 'em young... Got to tell you about a lovely message I received at Roxyrama this morning. The author said that he had '...been a Roxy Music fan for as long as I can remember...' He was 13 years old. Bless. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:30:49 +0100 From: "Amanda Lewis" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHRISTOPHER TURNER" To: Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: [AVALON] Glastonbury 0 Boro 1 > Let me just summarise my previous two posts while you all fight over > which dustyrelic of the past is better than the other. > > Roxy Music are offered the opportunity to top the bill on the final > night of the biggest festival in Britain (REM and Radiohead, two of the > world's biggest bands, being the other headliners) This would have > offered an increased profile, live TV coverage and some much needed > connection with a younger audience. (Bowie, Rod and Tom Jones all > having benefitted from a new credibility via Glastonbury appearances) > > According to the media, Roxy ask for too much money and are told where > to go. Meanwhile Ferry confirms his appearance at Middlesbrough Town > Hall on a cold night in November. > > Unless Middlesbrough made a better offer than Glastonbury, (and they > know something about paying big money for has-beens in Boro...) would > it be fair to say that Team BF has once again missed an open goal? > Absolutely spot on...I have scratched my head at many of the decisions made over the last year or so by Ferry HQ. The first high energy, radio friendly single release from Bryan's rip snortin' new album (namely IAONBB ...sure to get the UK's attention via Radio 2's audience .....and what happens? It gets released everywhere except the UK (?) What do we get? We get a rather weak & dated effort, that on my first listen took me right back to the Bete Noire era! The next logical progression of promo single from Frantic would, IMHO, have been Fool For Love (maybe with a video...some classic Ferry imagery would have accompanied this one I know) followed by One Way Love, not everyone's cup of tea, but superbly radio friendly...and what happens? Both tracks packaged together for radio promo only....what was the point? Could they just not be arsed? As for the complete waste of I Thought...bloody hell! Not even a live performance on Jools Holland! Just a subdued, low key rendition of a few "new" covers. And now the Glastonbury fiasco/embarrassment. Call it what you will. Do they think that the UK Glastonbury audience that thrives on Radiohead et al would not have "got" Remake - Remodel, would have scratched their heads at Ladytron....oh no, these songs are not as remote as they must have seamed in the early 70's. The audience's record collection is largely inspired by such masterpieces...and now the opportunity has been missed to show them how. But knowing them, they would have played effin' Dance Away :-) Regards Neil Jones N/P Nick Cave - He wants You ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:30:06 -0400 From: "eRacerX" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Start 'em young... I was on of those. 14 y o in '73, blissed out on FYP. - Herman ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 02:34:43 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kenneth_Nystr=F6m?= Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shockley" To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Peaks and Ferry Valleys Janice and Keith, I just wanted to comment abit on the peaks and valleys you have expressed. I also consider the first 3 albums of Roxy Music their best but I think that with the appearence of Eddie Jobson, the gained a brilliant musician who put his trademark on such outstanding (in my opinion) tracks like "out of the blue" and "both ends burning" I however think that Frantic is quite ok , I was never so impressed with some material that Ferry released in the 80's, to my mind too laid-back and overproduced but that was perhaps a natural process since the last Roxy Music albums pointed in that direction. I'm going to listen to Bryan Ferry again in June so perhaps since it's a Roxy Music concert in Hyde Park coming up he might put it some more Roxy numbers. Interesting reading regarding the Lennon - McCartney issue is "a revolution in my head" by the ex NME journalist Ian MacDonald who claims that McCartney was the avantgarde one not Lennon in the beginning. :-) Kenneth > > Janice...this is a reply to you as well as the group. I just wanted to say > that I echo your sentiments exactly, and I was most touched by your first > paragraph. The first three albums for me were the epitome of Roxy Music.The > fourth album...Country Life I believe....was still very enjoyable but things > deteriorated after that. Roxy Music are my fave band of all-time as > well....but they would not be if it were not for the first three albums. I'm > glad that others enjoy the later albums and tthe Ferry solo work. But I > could never find the "spark" in those recordings. I sometimes wonder if > Brian Eno was not John Lennon to Ferry's Paul McCartney. After Eno left, the > band lost some of their edge. Then I think Ferry began writing music to go > with the times.....perhaps a wise move financially but not creatively. > Perhaps Ferry needed Eno to challenge him creatively like Lennon challenged > McCartney. Now the fact that Roxy seem to be hinting at reforming for > possibly an extended time (the new tour dates, possibly more to come) both > excites me and scares me. On one hand, I would love for the band to record > new material and release a new album......but on the other hand, I'm afraid > that such an album might be so disappointing to me that it might tarnish the > band's legend. > > keith > np: the art of stopping / wire > > > > In reply to the other posts on this subject, Roxy Music are my all time > > farourite band so I feel that I am allowed to criticise when I feel it is > > appropriate. For me Roxy Music are Bryan Ferry, Andy Mackay, Phil > Manzanera , Paul > > Thompson and Brian Eno / Eddie Jobson. Their best work was between 1972 > and 1975, > > the later albums after they reformed were good but lacked the original > spark > > that existed in their earlier work. > > They are all better together in a group than solo, none of them > ever,IMHO, > > made the grade as solo artists, not having the commercial sucess of Roxy > as a > > whole. Bryan Ferry whilst still selling lots of albums, has become a > little > > bland, although I do like Frantic he doesn't seem able to keep up this > momentum. > > > > I don't think Roxy could ever recapture the magic of their early work and > > don't think they should even try as I feel I would be disappointed, > although in > > saying that when / if they do another commercial tour I for one would like > to > > hear some of their lesser well known songs. It is us, the die hard fans, > who > > put them where they are and LITD etc. have become a little bit boring > especially > > when they are also done on Bryan Ferry's solo tours. > > Although I can see the point that Bryan Ferry wrote the songs for the most > > part it was Roxy as a whole that brought them to life. And having said all > that > > I would still buy anything they release, solo or as a group, and would > still > > go to see them if they come near my neck of the woods. > > Just a few of my thoughts Janice. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:54:51 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] Hyde Park Return-path: From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Full-name: Jocelynfiske Message-ID: <64.308ef4f1.2c0ac489@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 22:52:57 EDT Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park To: ferryman@freeuk.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 540 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I wouldn't worry too much Chris, I think you've been sold a googlie. As a number of people I know have seats in Block AA - which doesn't exist on your plan, I would hope it isn't the real McCoy. But then who at the other end of a ticket selling line can tell you the truth? (That was merely rhetorical folks) The words brewery and good old drink up come to mind. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #152 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest