From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #142 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, May 23 2003 Volume 08 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version ["SIMON GALLOWAY" ] Re: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80sthread.... [KB Port] [AVALON] ivor novello ["Amanda Lewis" ] Re: [AVALON] 80s [KB Porter ] [AVALON] blueyonder.co.uk and tin.it subscribers--you have a virus! [Coll] [AVALON] Avalon will be down for a few hours on Saturday (5/24) [Colleen ] Re: [AVALON] ivor novello [Susan Stekel ] Re: [AVALON] ivor novello ["Jane Collard" ] [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80sthread.... [KWil632057@] [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version [Karen Swenson Subject: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version Where can we find it? Is it a b side on the Gay Bar single? SimonG np homemade Neil Young/Crazy Horse compilation - ---------- >From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) >To: avalon-digest@smoe.org >Subject: avalon-digest V8 #141 >Date: Thu, May 22, 2003, 9:05 am > > From: Joel Hurd > Subject: [AVALON] Electric Six's cover version > > Howdy all, > > Has anybody heard Electric Six's cover of "Street Life"? Is it any > good? > > - ---joel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:15:49 EDT From: Alanandalyj@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: 80's I'd just like to make few points about the 80's worst decade for fashion definetely.As for ABC Lexicon of love was a great album,Early Spandau brilliant music,Human League up to dare excellent,Heaven17 Penthouse & Pavement great album,Early Japan Adolescent Sex fantastic album and even some of Sylvians Impressions of Bryan weren't bad.Roxy Music Flesh and Blood excellent album.Nirvana great band who I am just getting into previously only liked MTV unplugged album.Siouxsie and the Banshees and PIL I believe they were around in the eighties too. As for the Housemartins a crap pop version of the second best band ever THE JAM.Marillion a very poor imitation of early genesis.Other crap eighties bands Huey Lewis & The News,The Cars,Dead or Alive,Bauhau's.Probably many others too.Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:24:38 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: 80's In a message dated 22/05/2003 11:17:20 GMT Daylight Time, Alanandalyj@aol.com writes: > Bauhau's. Bauhaus is not crap ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:11:10 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version > Where can we find it? Is it a b side on the Gay Bar single? > SimonG I don't know where you'll find their cover of "Street Life", but the video for their single is absolutely hilarious. It even tops the one the did for "Danger! High Voltage". Btw, did anybody else fnd the sax solo on that track highly reminisent of Andy Mackay circa 1972/73? Another thing that struck me about Electric Six was when they did TV work over here to promote the "Danger! High Voltage" single, the singer seemed to be doing his best to look like Ferry's picture on the "Price of Love" e.p., could these guys be closet Roxy fans. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:34:56 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Over 45's and sales/Aniversary editions. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeteK" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:45 AM Subject: [AVALON] On Topic let's stick together > Interestingly enough I read somewhere recently that people over > 45 are now the biggest music purchasers... It might be something to do with the fact that folk are buying cd copies of the albums they have listened to for years. To top that we're now in the area of the 25th/30th Aniversary editions of albums with bonus cd's of alternate mixes and unreleased tracks. Mind this doesn't really apply to Roxy, what do we get on the 21st Aniversary edition of Avalon a remix of Always Unknowing and even then you have to have spent about #300 on an SACD player to hear it. Some things never change, we always seem to get the least that's possible to get away with when it comes to bonus material or packaging. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:07:16 +0200 From: "Jimbo" Subject: [AVALON] Later Just to let you know Electric Six are on Later tomorrow ... SERIES 21, SECOND SHOW FRIDAY MAY 23RD, 11.35PM BBC2. jim. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:44:14 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version I try not to notice Electric Six at all to be honest! Hyped-up sensationalism, actually, that's an understatement. They're also a very weak live band from what I've heard on live radio sessions. A one trick pony. Anyway, a quick search on Google reveals that they have indeed been covering Street Life in concert recently but it hasn't been released. Yet. I can just imagine the chorus... SimonG np Badly Drawn Boy - ---------- >From: "thom.wallace" >To: "Avalon" , "SIMON GALLOWAY" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version >Date: Thu, May 22, 2003, 1:11 pm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:02 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version > > >> Where can we find it? Is it a b side on the Gay Bar single? >> SimonG > > I don't know where you'll find their cover of "Street Life", but the video > for their single is absolutely hilarious. It even tops the one the did for > "Danger! High Voltage". Btw, did anybody else fnd the sax solo on that track > highly reminisent of Andy Mackay circa 1972/73? Another thing that struck me > about Electric Six was when they did TV work over here to promote the > "Danger! High Voltage" single, the singer seemed to be doing his best to > look like Ferry's picture on the "Price of Love" e.p., could these guys be > closet Roxy fans. > > Tom. > > You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:36:23 EDT From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version In a message dated 22/05/2003 14:41:23 GMT Standard Time, simon.galloway@virgin.net writes: > I try not to notice Electric Six at all to be honest! Hyped-up > sensationalism, actually, that's an understatement. They're also a very weak > live band from what I've heard on live radio sessions. > > A one trick pony. > Simon, You sound like Bob Harris in 1972! I'm quiet fond of them, the sax break in "Danger" was the part that made my ears prick up, it sounds exactly like Mackay in '73. Can't wait to hear "Street Life" Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:20:54 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... > I can't comment on the Beethoven analogy because try as I might I just > couldn't follow it > I totally agree Lottie. I think we may need the use of the Enigma Code breaker to work this one out!!! Regards. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... > I can't believe KBP said Bryan wasn't ahead of his time for using Reggae in > his 1973 arrangement of "These Foolish Things" because Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, > and Toots and the Maytals were already playing reggae....for God's sake, they > are all Jamaicans, what else would they be playing? But when a dapper white > Brit in a tuxedo sets a 1930s standard to a Reggae beat (in 1973), that > qualifies as brave and experimental in my book! When white people successfully > appropriate black music, it can be very cool. Elvis Presley, Madonna, the Beastie > Boys, and Eminem come immediately to mind, pioneers all. > > Donizetti wrote opera long before the Who, and Jussi Bjoerling sang opera > long before Queen did, too....but it was pretty darn cool when they married it to > rock 'n roll and brought it to "our" generation. > > A Nod's as Good as a Wink, > > Lottie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:55:37 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 80s This is not an argument just a discussion there can be no right or wrong. I don't expect you to.....the fact that you "don't rate" them makes more sense than dismissing them as "nonsense" and you originally stated that "everything from Scary Monsters to Outside was a nonsense" this included Black Tie and Buddha. Two albums where David wrote about the death of his Brother, a race riot (which he had been caught up in and which obviously disturbed him), he even shared the music he wrote for his wedding. Then with Buddha he wrote about growing up in 70's London (did you read the sleeve notes where he pays courteous reference to Roxy?) if your telling me you didn't like this work.........that's fine....but no way can it be called nonsense.. In comparison you admirably defend such trash as Over you and dance away........ The above mentioned are one of the reasons I hope that Ferry ditches Mackay and Manzanera as soon as poss...One live album and few gigs and then hopefully nothing ..........Just look at the brilliant albums he produced before and after the original reunion..........In Your Mind...Bete noir.....Boys and Girls.........Bride stripped Bare.......Mamouna.........and of course Frantic........each one a gem.......and with no interference from the other two. can you imagine the pure magic of "This island earth" would have ever been produced if he was still with Manzanera and Mackay at the time.........never.... being stuck with these two will do nothing to forward his artistic endeavours... Regards. MARK. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [AVALON] 80s > Mark Yates wrote splendidly (hereby subject to a serious edit)... > > For me and many others like me Young people trying to find there way in the > North of England the 80's were a time of extreme hardship, it was a > "careless, heartless society" where the rich got richer and the poor got > poorer. and what music have we of this desolate time... soulless plastic pop > that we could all dance to... "Day in Day out was panned... United Kingdom > by ABC... was panned... anything that rebelled against a society that was > headed by people" At least one still behind bars" that were rotten to the > core was dismissed as nonsense. Thank GOD for the nineties when bands > forgot about looking clean-cut and were more concerned about the music they > were playing > rather than the cut of there hair of the colour of there shirt. > --------------------------------------------------- > Agreed, most great music in the 80s was seen as highly unfashionable not to > mention you would be considered somehing of a troublemaker for listening to > it! > > The Smiths "Hatful Of Hollow", > The Housemartins "The People Who Grinned Themselves To Death", > Billy Bragg "Talking With The Taxman About Poetry", > The Specials "More Specials", > Marillion "Clutching At Straws", > James "Jimone" and "Jim2", > > and I cannot stand ABC but - the sad part being without that climate this music may not > have existed nor would it evoke such images when i hear it today as so often > i do. > > Chris Clare > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:13:19 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80sthread.... Cor wrote in response to Lottie's post where she states that she couldn't understand why I believe music and its reception is 'situational': "What is ahead of your time?. If something is happening it IS in IT'S time. Beeing at the right place, right time." Let me repeat 'right place, right time'. Situational. Cor, I salute your understanding the crux of my argument where "I suppose that any generalized observation of any musical period can only be regarded as 'stereotypic' at best." (That, in response to Mark's proposition that 80's music wasn't outstanding in any positive way). I further stated in prima facie fashion, "There is a myriad of variables to consider when evaluating music, such as the timing and placement of the music within given contexts not only when penned but also when delivered, the audience and various situational frames of reference become relevant too." After the Beethoven - hip hop example, I then transitioned, using another illustration that supported my challenge (that music is 'situational') - using a 'real and very specific example' (give us by Lottie that BF was ahead of his time when infusing 'These Foolish Things' with Reggae rhythm) to further illustrate. But Cor, I have to hand it to you. Your response to Lottie's claim was extremely effective! Indeed. Right Time, Right Place. So true in everything. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:19:41 +0100 From: "Amanda Lewis" Subject: [AVALON] ivor novello News from bf.com..... Outstanding contribution award posted by Jim Lawn 22.05.03 I'm delighted to announce that Bryan has been awarded the P.R.S. (Performing Rights Society) Outstanding Contribution to British Music at the Ivor Novello Awards. Bryan is honoured by the award and thanks everyone for their support and encouragement over the years. Nice. regards Neil Jones ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:27:05 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 80s "... will do nothing to forward his artistic endeavors..." Mark, I believe Mr. Ferry's 'artistic endeavors' are more the result of his native personality rather than the result of collaboration with others. Bets wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:02:38 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] blueyonder.co.uk and tin.it subscribers--you have a virus! I'm at my wit's end, folks. I can't tell who the infected subscribers are, so if you use those ISPs, you need to do a virus check immediately. I reserve the right to deny subscriptions to subscribers who do not have virus protection for their email. Please write me privately if you are one of the affected parties. Thank you. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:04:45 -0400 From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] Avalon will be down for a few hours on Saturday (5/24) This is a "head's up" so people don't keep resending messages. This is due to technical issues with smoe.org. The outage will last around 1-2 hours late Saturday afternoon (EDT). I will provide more information as I receive it. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:49:37 -0500 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] ivor novello At 06:19 PM 5/22/03 +0100, Amanda Lewis wrote: >News from bf.com..... > >Outstanding contribution award posted by Jim Lawn 22.05.03 > >I'm delighted to announce that Bryan has been awarded the P.R.S. (Performing >Rights Society) Outstanding Contribution to British Music at the Ivor Novello >Awards. And a very fetching picture of Bryan is included in a BBC slide show about the event, at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3051301.stm Or should I say, "Brian." C'mon, BBC! S. P.S. Congratz Bryan, by the way! A well-deserved award -- I'm happy to see him recognized. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:12:43 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ivor novello Well deserved and long overdue! As I was driving home from work this evening, I caught the end of a trailer for Richard Allison's show on BBC Radio 2 tonight (10.30 BST) which I think said would be featuring today's Novello awards. Apologies if I misheard! Cheers Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda Lewis To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: [AVALON] ivor novello > News from bf.com..... > > Outstanding contribution award posted by Jim Lawn 22.05.03 > > I'm delighted to announce that Bryan has been awarded the P.R.S. (Performing > Rights Society) Outstanding Contribution to British Music at the Ivor Novello > Awards. > > Bryan is honoured by the award and thanks everyone for their support and > encouragement over the years. > > Nice. > > regards > Neil Jones > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:11:57 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80sthread.... Can we get back off-topic please. J n/p Lucy Wilkins 'Agadoo' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:23:38 -0500 From: Karen Swenson Subject: [AVALON] Re: Electric Six's cover version On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Stevesiren@aol.com wrote: > I'm quiet fond of them, the sax break in "Danger" was the part that > made my > ears prick up, it sounds exactly like Mackay in '73. What do you know, I've never so much as heard of them, and my radio station was playing a bunch of stuff that sounded like a cross between Chapman and Chinn/The Sweet and umm maybe Spinal Tap, but a super Mackay-esque sax got my attention and I turned it up and enjoyed, the bottom line being they were featuring Electric Six' album. Sorry for run-on sentence and hope the Mackay reference makes it on-topic enough. Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #142 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest