From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #141 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, May 22 2003 Volume 08 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Peter gabriel [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] 80s [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] On topic [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Electric Six's cover version [Joel Hurd ] RE: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] 80s ["Guy Lawley" ] RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music [Daniel Atterbom ] RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music ["Guy Lawley" ] Re: [AVALON] Multi-tasking OT ["cor broersen" ] [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... [LottieStr] Re: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... ["cor b] [AVALON] On Topic let's stick together ["PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] On topic Citizens, Romans, Avalonians, we need IMHO to get back on topic a bit. I enjoy OT as much as the other person and post about dogs and death and diviations of life, but lately there has been rather few letters on topics relating to the extraordinary league of gentlemen Ferry, Manzanera, Mackay, Eno, TGPT et al. Me, myself and I are as much to blame as I am sutting here nibblin on spunge cake, watchin the sun bake. Yes some people say that there's someone else to blame. But I know it's my own damn fault since I do not post enough about Avalon. Now did you know that Avalon actually is in Northfoundland? I did not until recently. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 05:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: [AVALON] Electric Six's cover version Howdy all, Has anybody heard Electric Six's cover of "Street Life"? Is it any good? - ---joel BTW, the video to their song "Gay Bar" is very funny. It features George W. Bush and Tony Blair 'lipsyncing' to the words! . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:37:57 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Film No matter that some still wish Ferry wouldn't do any more covers of Bob Dylan. He isn't alone in his thoughts of the singer-writer being a genius. Martin Scorsese will do a movie titled BOB DYLAN ANTHOLOGY PROJECT. Scorsese in a statement "For me, there is no other musical artist who weaves his influences so densely to create something so personal & unique". Due in the yr. 2005 in theaters will also be broadcast on PBS in the USA & the BBC in the UK. Ferry knows Dylan is a house-hold word here in the USA. Besides admiring him tremendously.Marlana........................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:26:42 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Multi-tasking OT Sorry, but here I go again with that confounded mob Goldfrapp. They never fail to amaze me on a number of bizarre levels- especially live. This time round it was their drummer, who doubled on....violin! What a very, very strange combination of musical talent. I couldn't imagine young Lucy displaying her parradiddles like they were going out of fashion. But what a fabulous night. For me, Goldfrapp are my "live love" of the future, Roxy my past. And Allison Goldfrapp is the embodiment of Ferry's vinyl mistress of IEDH. I'd swear if he'd seen her over 30 years ago he based that image on her. She was decked out like a French Revolutionary sex doll, who moved on 8 inch spikes as if she was the bastard child of the Demon Seed. The new material is even better live, real dark, dirty, weird disco. All Donna Summer in the Crypt of an old crumbling Paddington church supporting Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire. And for those who missed her/them, there's another one off special on July 13th at Somerset House (a very classy courtyard venue where I caught Tindersticks last year). In fact I may have to pitch a tent there for my own little Glastonbury as Royksopp, Beth Gordon from Portishead and Goldfrapp are all playing consecutive nights, followed by Roxy on the following Wednesday. Those kind of weeks don't come round that often. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:08:01 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music Music I grooved to in the Britain of the 80s... The Smiths The Wedding Present The The The Bodines Different planet? Alternate Dimension? Or just "two nations"? :O) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Yates Sent: 20 May 2003 22:00 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Favorite Music Lottie. You make some interesting points and good observations. I too remember the fun we had with the fashion at the time. Believe it or not I actually made it into a copy of "Smash Hits" as a David Sylvian look-alike( One glance in the mirror today and I would barley pass as David's Great-great-Grandad) Not that it was my intention to look like Sylvian. I was meant to be the "Thin White Duke" But hey Sylvian was extremely popular with the opposite sex those days so I didn't mind at all. You also mention some great bands such as the Clash I have to say that I saw the Clash 5 times each time was in the 70's they were part of the "70's Shot in the arm" I mentioned. the 80's gave us Teardrop Explodes. Echo and the Bunny men, James, all bands that I still play today and still get a kick from. I'm a great believer that every generation should leave at aleast a small part of its heritage in its music....in the 70's we had Roxy, Bowie, Bolan, Steve Harley,Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon" Stevie wonders "living just enough for the city" and then of course there was Punk. .....The 60's we had the Beatles, Kinks, Stones, Dylan and the Beach Boys "Pet sounds" Too many to mention....the nineties we had Pulp, Oasis, Blur, Radio head The Verve...either writing songs with relevance to that days society or producing innovative sounds that would change the way we play and listen to music or if neither of these just make people think. What really erks me about the 80's Roxy is, they could see the way the music scene was at the time........empty, soulless, and Dull. but instead of reforming in an attempt to make a new mark or innervate or at least try and pull it out of its mediocrity.....they took the option of joining in....with "The rhythm of rhyming Guitars".Wow.....and of course with there image to back up the utter garbage they were turning out in the name of "Music" they were extremely popular and coining it in........That was great.....Unfortunately they forgot to make the music "Interesting" Roxy were always "Interesting and Imaginative" That was there great strength. I got sick and tired of people saying how good Ferry looked.........sure he looked great........but there is so much more to Ferry than the way he looked........always was always will be. For me and many others like me Young people trying to find there way in the North of England the 80's were a time of extreme hardship, in my industry alone we lost 9'000 people in one week during 1983 thats 9'000 people with no incomein one week, the textile, steel, mining, and ship building industries were decimated, whole communities went to the wall, it was a "careless, heartless society" where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. and what music have we of this desolate time "Duran Duran, Spandu Ballet, and the Go Go's!!!!!!!!! Great!!!!!soulless plastic pop that we could all dance to "smartly dressed of course"....... and nothing wrong with that. But surely we should have something over the span of 10 years to reflect just a little of life........Maybe not!! maybe I'm totally wrong. "Day in Day out was panned.....United Kingdom by ABC......was panned...anything that rebelled against a society that was headed by people"At least one still behind bars" that were rotten to the core was dismissed as nonsense..Thank GOD for the nineties when bands forgot about looking clean-cut and were more concerned about the music they were playing rather than the cut of there hair of the colour of there shirt. "The entire decade didn't hurt anyone Really!!!!" I'm afraid it did.........it hurt thousands if not millions. so as a fashion statement the 80's were fine, musically........dead in the water.....for me that is..... but I appreciate not everyone feels the same...........I DO DO DO.........honest. Regards. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [AVALON] Favorite Music > On Fri-May-16 Mark Yates wrote : > > <....Here's what I discovered....I have always found that the people who's > musical just in there choice > beyond all arm" so to occasional peak EG The Just a small observation. > > Hey Mark, > > I love the work of Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music every bit as much as you do, and my > favorite albums are the first 3. But can I just "stick up" for the 80s? The > 80s were a magical time. (Of course, the fact that I was in my 20s the entire > decade didn't hurt). People stopped looking either scruffy or disco (both > curses of the 70s in my opinion). Ferry's style, both his fashion and his > music, were "ahead of their time", and greatly influenced the 80s. The styles > were retro : short, groomed hair on men, skinny ties, pointy Italian shoes. > Pink and grey, black and white checkers, leopard prints. Tight-waisted > dresses, bows on high-heeled stilleto shoes, patterned tights...ladies fussed > with their hair. Princess Diana was everyone's darling (except, of course, > her husband's...) Just watch the Avalon video, you'll remember.... > > The music was extremely danceable in the 80s. Reggae was a big influence > (I'm thinking of Blondie, the Specials, the English Beat). Bryan Ferry use a > Reggae beat back in '73 on "These Foolish Things", definitely 'way ahead of > his time. There were a whole wave of groups who were obvious Roxy Music > fans...the Cars, Duran Duran, Adam Ant, the talking Heads (complete with > David Byrne even trying to look like him!) > > Can I just offer a brief list of artists who put out GREAT music in the 80s? > Elvis Costello, the Clash, the Pretenders, the Tom Tom Club, Kate Bush, > Husker Du, Robyn Hitchcock, the Replacements, the Cure, U2...and did you know > the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, and the Pixies all squeaked into the end > of the decade, too? > > All the best, > > Lottie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:10:36 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert Hope lots of you Avalonians enjoy it! I'll be on holiday in Spain, alas, all booked and paid for and even a Roxy gig can't get me back to London! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jane Collard Sent: 20 May 2003 22:55 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert Colette asked: >Any takers for the VIP package at #195.00? I am curious to know what you get > for the money besides a big hole in the old credit card. :) Well, according to the Halifax Route of Kings website, for your #195 you get.... VIP seats in front blocks C, D or E (which I suspect most of us have managed anyway) Access to executive hospitality areas Pre-show Pimms, white wine and beer (personally for that price I wouldn't mind the option of red wine as well!) Reception with "luxury" finger buffet Ticket wallets and detailed event information Souvenir programme (ONE per TWO guests - honestly, that's what it says!) Exclusive entrance, toilets and merchandise stand (to increase that hole in the credit card no doubt!). #195?? Hope to see lots of you there - but at the far more modest(!) price of #40 (plus the usual booking fees etc etc) Best wishes Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:12:45 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] 80s I shouldn't have forgotten James! The early Rough trade stuff and the later more U2 sound... all good material! And an Eno connection to keep this strand vaguely on-topic (feeble excuse!) Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of chris.clare@bt.com Sent: 21 May 2003 10:04 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] 80s Mark Yates wrote splendidly (hereby subject to a serious edit)... For me and many others like me Young people trying to find there way in the North of England the 80's were a time of extreme hardship, it was a "careless, heartless society" where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. and what music have we of this desolate time... soulless plastic pop that we could all dance to... "Day in Day out was panned... United Kingdom by ABC... was panned... anything that rebelled against a society that was headed by people" At least one still behind bars" that were rotten to the core was dismissed as nonsense. Thank GOD for the nineties when bands forgot about looking clean-cut and were more concerned about the music they were playing rather than the cut of there hair of the colour of there shirt. - --------------------------------------------------- Agreed, most great music in the 80s was seen as highly unfashionable not to mention you would be considered somehing of a troublemaker for listening to it! The Smiths "Hatful Of Hollow", The Housemartins "The People Who Grinned Themselves To Death", Billy Bragg "Talking With The Taxman About Poetry", The Specials "More Specials", Marillion "Clutching At Straws", James "Jimone" and "Jim2", Peronally I dont rate 80s Bowie and I cannot stand ABC but they do prove your argument - the sad part being without that climate this music may not have existed nor would it evoke such images when i hear it today as so often i do. Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:15:34 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music At 21.08 +0100 03-05-21, Guy Lawley wrote: >Music I grooved to in the Britain of the 80s... > >The Smiths >The Wedding Present >The The >The Bodines Not Style Council? Or Roxy Music? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:04:49 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music Roxy Music goes without saying around here, doesn't it? :O) Yes, Roxy of course! Style Council... a few good singles but I never bought an album. And I don't think I can remember any of the singles now...!! Wasn't there one from the Absolute Beginners S/T? I think I liked that one! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Atterbom Sent: 21 May 2003 21:16 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: RE: [AVALON] Favorite Music At 21.08 +0100 03-05-21, Guy Lawley wrote: >Music I grooved to in the Britain of the 80s... > >The Smiths >The Wedding Present >The The >The Bodines Not Style Council? Or Roxy Music? Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:25:46 +0200 From: "cor broersen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Multi-tasking OT I am with you on every word there Jocelyn. Watching GOLDFRAPP live at Later last friday, my first tought i'm watching a roxy cover from 72 Then they started of with Train. I fell head over "Alison's shiny glitter red heals" she is soooo cool! (Like in Ferry-cool) Her Performance was so cool that even our Bryan would have felt like a dork. Music stunningly fresh like the first Roxy albums. Inmagine Bryan crooning Black Cherrie or Tiptoe or Forever or... I bought Black Cherrie first thing the next day. Lyrics very Ferryesq, intelligent synths and samplers, and that extraordinairy voice. Indeed i am in love with a "strict machine", a new love Live and on record. Shame that I just missed them live in Amsterdam on may the 8th, real bummer! twist it round, again and again! cor blimey! >From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Multi-tasking OT >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:26:42 EDT > >Sorry, but here I go again with that confounded mob Goldfrapp. >They never fail to amaze me on a number of bizarre levels- especially live. >This time round it was their drummer, who doubled on....violin! What a >very, >very strange combination of musical talent. I couldn't imagine young Lucy >displaying her parradiddles like they were going out of fashion. >But what a fabulous night. For me, Goldfrapp are my "live love" of the >future, Roxy my past. >And Allison Goldfrapp is the embodiment of Ferry's vinyl mistress of IEDH. >I'd swear if he'd seen her over 30 years ago he based that image on her. >She >was decked out like a French Revolutionary sex doll, who moved on 8 inch >spikes as if she was the bastard child of the Demon Seed. The new material >is >even better live, real dark, dirty, weird disco. All Donna Summer in the >Crypt of an old crumbling Paddington church supporting Throbbing Gristle >and >Cabaret Voltaire. >And for those who missed her/them, there's another one off special on July >13th at Somerset House (a very classy courtyard venue where I caught >Tindersticks last year). In fact I may have to pitch a tent there for my >own >little Glastonbury as Royksopp, Beth Gordon from Portishead and Goldfrapp >are >all playing consecutive nights, followed by Roxy on the following >Wednesday. >Those kind of weeks don't come round that often. > >Jocelyn > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:01:18 EDT From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Subject: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... I can't believe KBP said Bryan wasn't ahead of his time for using Reggae in his 1973 arrangement of "These Foolish Things" because Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, and Toots and the Maytals were already playing reggae....for God's sake, they are all Jamaicans, what else would they be playing? But when a dapper white Brit in a tuxedo sets a 1930s standard to a Reggae beat (in 1973), that qualifies as brave and experimental in my book! When white people successfully appropriate black music, it can be very cool. Elvis Presley, Madonna, the Beastie Boys, and Eminem come immediately to mind, pioneers all. Donizetti wrote opera long before the Who, and Jussi Bjoerling sang opera long before Queen did, too....but it was pretty darn cool when they married it to rock 'n roll and brought it to "our" generation. I can't comment on the Beethoven analogy because try as I might I just couldn't follow it (-; Maybe I'm not as "deep" as I ought to be... A Nod's as Good as a Wink, Lottie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 02:50:24 +0200 From: "cor broersen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... LottieStreeter wrote: >Subject: [AVALON] [Situational]? Response to KBP on the 80s thread.... I can't believe KBP said Bryan wasn't ahead of his time for using Reggae in his 1973 arrangement of "These Foolish Things" because Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, and Toots and the Maytals were already playing reggae....for God's sake, they are all Jamaicans, Eric Clapton isn't, but he "shot the sherriff somewhere at the ocean boulevard" way before Bryan did his "foolish things" looking like the Fonz on his first soloalbum. (does anyone know if this is true, about EC I mean)) What is ahead of your time?. If something is happening it IS in IT'S time. Beeing at the right place, right time. How many time's can one be ahead of one's time? huh....huh...well?? btw....Roxy Music, now that's a band that was ahead of it's time. At the court of the Crimson King it was rumoured in 69, that there was to be a band in 72 that would also be known by beeing ahead of it's time, so the firewitch returned and the puppets danced, and they cellebrated in all that was ahead of its time, together with all the others that were allready ahead of theire time. The Beatles didn't showed up. They couldn't travel all the way back in time, so far ahead in time they where. They where living in 71 back in 96! They stayed at abbey road working on again a giant leap ahead in time by using a synthesizer a.o. for witch fact people later would say they where ahead of theire time in 69. This is getting even more complicated, later the Beatles where ahead of theire time by going solo. And for segassem drawkcab (play backwards for message) and for...oh well. Paul Macca is living in 2046 at the moment (i've heard!?). Wondering who the first human (musician) ahead of his/her time was. And with what! Ahead of its time with beeing ahead of time. just a little kidding, Cor _________________________________________________________________ Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:45:42 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] On Topic let's stick together I don't think it makes it okay to merely put Off Topic in the subject to excuse directing Ferry/Roxy discussions in to areas it wasn't ever meant to go. I like Peter Gabriel too,. but this isn't the forum for that....we can at least try to dovetail discussions to compare styles or in Some Way stick to the spirit of avalon. I do think this is getting out of hand....My guess is Bryan is polishing up material right now, separating the wheat from the chafe, as he must know his last album was all but ignored by everyone, other than his most loyal fans. Yes, I don't think their is much interest amongst the corporate suits that run the music labels in Bryan's music. They probably see him as passe. Interestingly enough I read somewhere recently that people over 45 are now the biggest music purchasers...You would think that would foretell well for Bryan, but it just may mean anyone younger than that is too busy downloading the songs online. Stranded on Avalon is a strange delight. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #141 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest