From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #140 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 21 2003 Volume 08 : Number 140 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel ["Andy Cooper" ] [AVALON] HAPPY BIRTHDAY ? [] Re: [AVALON] HAPPY BIRTHDAY ? [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Hyde Park ["Russ Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert ["Jane Collard" ] Re: [AVALON] Favorite Music ["Don Schultz, Jr." ] [AVALON] Hyde Park [Robert Vinkenborg ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:05:24 +0000 From: "Andy Cooper" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel I have to agree - sorry guys, knocks Bryan/Roxy into a cocked hat!! I was at Brummie land last night - "what a show, the Barry williams show". Andy C (a traitor to the roxy camp!?!?) >From: JFROXY@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:35:39 EDT > >Is anyone going to the PG concerts in Birmingham or London later this week? >I was at the Manchester gig last night and I have to say that it was one of >the greatest shows, if not the best, I have ever seen, absolutely awesome! >Too many highlights to mention, but if you are a fan of Gabriel's then DO >NOT >miss this show and witness a real genius at work. > >JF. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:42:06 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel When Peter Gabriel opened the tour in Stockholm, like Roxy did in 1979 and Springsteen has done numerous times, Gabriel got really lously reviews, so things must have improved. Me? I'll take Roxy Music any day over "Daniel Lanois has to lock me in for me to complete songs" Gabriel. I like Solisbury Hill and III. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:12:39 +0100 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert Any takers for the VIP package at #195.00? I am curious to know what you get for the money besides a biig hole in the old credit card. :) Cheers, Colette ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:44:03 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #139 On Tue, 20 May 2003 04:05:02 -0400 (EDT), avalon-digest wrote > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:53:50 EDT > From: LottieStreeter2@cs.com > Subject: [AVALON] Favorite Music > People stopped > looking either scruffy or disco (both curses of the 70s in my > opinion). Ferry's style, both his fashion and his music, were > "ahead of their time", and greatly influenced the 80s. The styles > were retro : short, groomed hair on men, skinny ties, pointy Italian > shoes. Pink and grey, black and white checkers, leopard prints. > Tight-waisted dresses, bows on high-heeled stilleto shoes, patterned > tights...ladies fussed with their hair. Good observation. I remember when the Stray Cats and Go-Go's came out in So Cal. After that we were all wearing pink/black, capri pants, stilletto pumps, 50's dresses, paisley. We went to see the Cure in '84 wearing vintage 50's pumps and taffetta 50's prom dresses. We were 14, surrounded by hollywood goths a la '84. We looked silly but it was fun. > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 20:29:51 -0700 > From: "PeteK" > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Billboard numbers > > 1976 Let's tick together 160 > 1977 In your mind 126 > 1978 The Bride Stripped bare 159 > 1985 Boy's and Girls 63 > 1988 Bete Noire 63 > 1993 Taxi 79 > 1994 Mamouna 94 > 1999 As time goes by 195 > 2002 Frantic 189 > > Clearly Bryan's height of popularity in the US was the 80's. He is barely > making the top 200 lately, although Frantic's best chart position > was slightly better than As time goes by. He never parlayed his > brief rise in the 80's and never achieved even one top 40 record. I > think it is safe to say he has only a cult following here in the > U.S. albeit a very loyal one. Commercially he has run out of time. > Artistically the clock is still ticking. I'm curious if someone can > post his UK figures for further discussion and to satisfy my curiousity. > What exactly do you mean, "Commercially he has run out of time?". Does that mean the labels won't promote another album? Or just sort of halfheartedly promote one? Or drop him altogether? I can't stand the idea of another cover by Ferry. If he is going to do even one more cover, then he shouldn't bother. Best, Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:14:40 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Lark Hello Avalon, Bloody exciting news to hear that our favourite band are getting back together to perform what will surely be a blockbuster of a show. I hope they do My Little girl (not literally). J n/p S Club 7 'Avalon' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:55:21 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Favorite Music I'm happy to read that Lottie has written a response to Mark's declaration that the 1980's offered very little in the way of good music that had depth and staying power. Nice post Lottie, thanks for pointing out some examples of very good 80's music! I suppose that any generalized observation of any musical period can only be regarded as 'stereotypic' at best. - Music creation, after all, is experimentation - some of it works and some of it doesn't. There is a myriad of variables to consider when evaluating music, such as the timing and placement of the music within given contexts not only when penned but also when delivered, the audience and various situational frames of reference become relevant too. As a very superficial (and far-flung) example: If Beethoven was our living contemporary, a previously unknown musician who wanted to be 'a hit' with the 'hip-hop' crowd, his 'classical' music (think "Ninth Symphony") performed at the Met or the Vienna Opera House in the same style and atmosphere that the 9th would have been delivered soon after Beethoven wrote it would, I dare say, not have given Beethoven the acclaim that is given today based on his work as we presently know it from its historical time period; I doubt hip-hoppers would be rushing to their local music suppliers demanding to purchase or download 'Fidelio' let alone requesting its airplay. Lottie wrote: "Bryan Ferry use a Reggae beat back in '73 on "These Foolish Things", definitely 'way ahead of his time." Again situational: BF may have seemed 'ahead of his time' using a Reggae rhythm in 1973, but only to listeners who were not already steeped in the 'Reggae' tradition: Indeed, Toots And The Maytals, Bob Marley, Peter Tosh, and Jamaica's own 'Pop Reggae' artist Jimmy Cliff, to name a few pre-Roxy contemporaries, might have listened to BF's 'TFT' and chuckled at its hint of flavor, and may have vigorously argued the notion the Bryan Ferry was 'ahead of his time' but was really a copier follower! (Note: 'Ahead' as opposed to 'A Head'. - On that, Peter Tosh might agree BF was in 1973;) Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:50:30 +0100 From: Subject: [AVALON] HAPPY BIRTHDAY ? Who's Birthday is it ? He was only 8 when Roxy first toured ? ( so he claims) Can be seen on stage (well part of him) at most gigs ?. Encyclopaedia of Roxy facts ? Has been known to play the piano after shows. but the singings not to good ? At least 1 foot shorter than Bryan or Phil ? The same weight as T,G,P,T. ? Less hair than Phil ? Bigger grin than Andy ?, ( well most of the time) Normally knows what Roxy are doing, even before they do ?. Keeps us all informed ? HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND VIVA ____ _ _____ ? See ya all in Hyde Park Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] HAPPY BIRTHDAY ? Hmmm. This definitely sounds like a birthday shout-out to Mr John O'Brien... Oh, and while we're here, Happy Birthday too, to Lucy Wilkins... Reecey... - -------------------------------- - --- LINLITHGOWTYRES@BTINTERNET.COM wrote: > Who's Birthday is it ? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:38:53 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel In a message dated 20/05/03 11:44:06 GMT Daylight Time, daniel.atterbom@odata.se writes: > When Peter Gabriel opened the tour in Stockholm, like Roxy did in 1979 and > Springsteen has done numerous times, Gabriel got really lously reviews, so > things must have improved. > > Me? I'll take Roxy Music any day over "Daniel Lanois has to lock me in for > me to complete songs" Gabriel. > Yes Daniel, the audiences improved. As for Daniel Lanois, I don't remember him being in Genesis, do you? JF. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:10:41 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel At 13.38 -0400 03-05-20, JFROXY@aol.com wrote: >As for Daniel Lanois, I don't remember him being in Genesis, do you? No but he produced Gabriel solo and since it's 28 years Gabriel left Genesis, and 29 years since Robert Fripp disbanded the Wetton King Crimson to stay remotely on topic, I seldom think of Peter Gabriel and Genesis. To me Genesis is as ancient as Moses, but that's hardly a revelation. On the other hand, Roxy Music from the early 70's still sound fresh to me. NP Virginia Plain Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:15:09 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel In a message dated 20/05/2003 19:13:28 GMT Standard Time, daniel.atterbom@odata.se writes: > I seldom think of Peter Gabriel and Genesis. > > To me Genesis is as ancient as Moses, but that's hardly a revelation. > > On the other hand, Roxy Music from the early 70's still sound fresh to me. > Daniel, I have to agree wholeheartedly, I never think about PG and Genesis.... Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:25:34 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off Topic... Peter Gabriel In a message dated 20/05/03 19:13:10 GMT Daylight Time, daniel.atterbom@odata.se writes: > I seldom think of Peter Gabriel and Genesis. > > Yes, no wonder, it's hard to see how the Gabriel era Genesis' humour and imagination would have caught on in Sweden. np Abba..."Waterloo" JF ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:28:45 EDT From: Jocelynfiske@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] HAPPY BIRTHDAY ? HB Jockster. What would you like for a birthday present, front row Roxy or UEFA Cup Final ticket? You can only have one or the other (I know, you'll probably say you'd like the other) J X ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:00:17 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Favorite Music Lottie. You make some interesting points and good observations. I too remember the fun we had with the fashion at the time. Believe it or not I actually made it into a copy of "Smash Hits" as a David Sylvian look-alike( One glance in the mirror today and I would barley pass as David's Great-great-Grandad) Not that it was my intention to look like Sylvian. I was meant to be the "Thin White Duke" But hey Sylvian was extremely popular with the opposite sex those days so I didn't mind at all. You also mention some great bands such as the Clash I have to say that I saw the Clash 5 times each time was in the 70's they were part of the "70's Shot in the arm" I mentioned. the 80's gave us Teardrop Explodes. Echo and the Bunny men, James, all bands that I still play today and still get a kick from. I'm a great believer that every generation should leave at aleast a small part of its heritage in its music....in the 70's we had Roxy, Bowie, Bolan, Steve Harley,Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon" Stevie wonders "living just enough for the city" and then of course there was Punk. .....The 60's we had the Beatles, Kinks, Stones, Dylan and the Beach Boys "Pet sounds" Too many to mention....the nineties we had Pulp, Oasis, Blur, Radio head The Verve...either writing songs with relevance to that days society or producing innovative sounds that would change the way we play and listen to music or if neither of these just make people think. What really erks me about the 80's Roxy is, they could see the way the music scene was at the time........empty, soulless, and Dull. but instead of reforming in an attempt to make a new mark or innervate or at least try and pull it out of its mediocrity.....they took the option of joining in....with "The rhythm of rhyming Guitars".Wow.....and of course with there image to back up the utter garbage they were turning out in the name of "Music" they were extremely popular and coining it in........That was great.....Unfortunately they forgot to make the music "Interesting" Roxy were always "Interesting and Imaginative" That was there great strength. I got sick and tired of people saying how good Ferry looked.........sure he looked great........but there is so much more to Ferry than the way he looked........always was always will be. For me and many others like me Young people trying to find there way in the North of England the 80's were a time of extreme hardship, in my industry alone we lost 9'000 people in one week during 1983 thats 9'000 people with no incomein one week, the textile, steel, mining, and ship building industries were decimated, whole communities went to the wall, it was a "careless, heartless society" where the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. and what music have we of this desolate time "Duran Duran, Spandu Ballet, and the Go Go's!!!!!!!!! Great!!!!!soulless plastic pop that we could all dance to "smartly dressed of course"....... and nothing wrong with that. But surely we should have something over the span of 10 years to reflect just a little of life........Maybe not!! maybe I'm totally wrong. "Day in Day out was panned.....United Kingdom by ABC......was panned...anything that rebelled against a society that was headed by people"At least one still behind bars" that were rotten to the core was dismissed as nonsense..Thank GOD for the nineties when bands forgot about looking clean-cut and were more concerned about the music they were playing rather than the cut of there hair of the colour of there shirt. "The entire decade didn't hurt anyone Really!!!!" I'm afraid it did.........it hurt thousands if not millions. so as a fashion statement the 80's were fine, musically........dead in the water.....for me that is..... but I appreciate not everyone feels the same...........I DO DO DO.........honest. Regards. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [AVALON] Favorite Music > On Fri-May-16 Mark Yates wrote : > > <....Here's what I discovered....I have always found that the people who's > musical just in there choice > beyond all arm" so to occasional peak EG The Just a small observation. > > Hey Mark, > > I love the work of Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music every bit as much as you do, and my > favorite albums are the first 3. But can I just "stick up" for the 80s? The > 80s were a magical time. (Of course, the fact that I was in my 20s the entire > decade didn't hurt). People stopped looking either scruffy or disco (both > curses of the 70s in my opinion). Ferry's style, both his fashion and his > music, were "ahead of their time", and greatly influenced the 80s. The styles > were retro : short, groomed hair on men, skinny ties, pointy Italian shoes. > Pink and grey, black and white checkers, leopard prints. Tight-waisted > dresses, bows on high-heeled stilleto shoes, patterned tights...ladies fussed > with their hair. Princess Diana was everyone's darling (except, of course, > her husband's...) Just watch the Avalon video, you'll remember.... > > The music was extremely danceable in the 80s. Reggae was a big influence > (I'm thinking of Blondie, the Specials, the English Beat). Bryan Ferry use a > Reggae beat back in '73 on "These Foolish Things", definitely 'way ahead of > his time. There were a whole wave of groups who were obvious Roxy Music > fans...the Cars, Duran Duran, Adam Ant, the talking Heads (complete with > David Byrne even trying to look like him!) > > Can I just offer a brief list of artists who put out GREAT music in the 80s? > Elvis Costello, the Clash, the Pretenders, the Tom Tom Club, Kate Bush, > Husker Du, Robyn Hitchcock, the Replacements, the Cure, U2...and did you know > the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, and the Pixies all squeaked into the end > of the decade, too? > > All the best, > > Lottie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:20:42 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "Russ Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Hi Folks,=0D =0D I Managed to get hopefully a good seat =0D Block D Row B .=0D Lets Hope it's a good one.=0D (May be the set list might be a little different this time John)=0D I hope your right Jocelyn and there are more UK concerts to come.Glad to hear Steve got your ticket Mark.=0D =0D See You there!!!=0D =0D Russ. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:54:43 +0100 From: "Jane Collard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert Colette asked: >Any takers for the VIP package at #195.00? I am curious to know what you get > for the money besides a big hole in the old credit card. :) Well, according to the Halifax Route of Kings website, for your #195 you get.... VIP seats in front blocks C, D or E (which I suspect most of us have managed anyway) Access to executive hospitality areas Pre-show Pimms, white wine and beer (personally for that price I wouldn't mind the option of red wine as well!) Reception with "luxury" finger buffet Ticket wallets and detailed event information Souvenir programme (ONE per TWO guests - honestly, that's what it says!) Exclusive entrance, toilets and merchandise stand (to increase that hole in the credit card no doubt!). #195?? Hope to see lots of you there - but at the far more modest(!) price of #40 (plus the usual booking fees etc etc) Best wishes Jane - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colette Robertson To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park Concert > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:06:34 -0400 From: "Don Schultz, Jr." Subject: Re: [AVALON] Favorite Music With everyone having these 70s & 80s flashbacks on the list, I thought it very coincidental that just yesterday I came across a 70's Roxy video in a most unexpected spot... Recently on Ebay I had purchased some fan's homemade hodgepodge of GRACE JONES' TV, film and video appearances over two decades, a VHS collage if you will. None of the snippets were identified in any way other than the obvious. Stuck in the middle of all these sight-bites was a clip of Grace sitting in some living-room-type set wearing a bowler, b&w polka-dotted gloves and her trademark Armani blazer. She was reflecting on how in the 70's "the look became as important as the music" and "it was at this time Chris Blackwell signed Roxy Music". Cut to a young svelt Bryan, in black leather pants and a black sequined Ziggy-esque shirt, standing at the piano and belting out Virginia Plain. "1972" was superimposed at the bottom of the clip. Eno was at the other end of the stage in a big black fur thing and sandwiched in between were Manzanera in a red satin jump suit and Mackay in canary yellow hip huggers. The audience and/or dancers were standing very close to the band and there were these large props behind everyone that resembled antique circus posters or illustrations. Anyone have any idea where this was? It was a very nice surprise for me to say the least! A definite bonus to my purchase! Airy ebony eighties icon ruminating on the seventies progenitors of art rock. It will never be that good again. Blissfully yours, D. Schultz ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:41:05 +0200 From: Robert Vinkenborg Subject: [AVALON] Hyde Park I feel great: just purchased two tickets for the Hyde Park concert. Is there a get together for the Avolanians before the concert, somewhere? Can anyone recommend a (not too expensive) hotel in that area? Please reply to r.vinkenborg@mediapunt.nl Thank you. Rick van Heuzen and Robert Vinkenborg - two of the old Dutch Roxy-fans ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #140 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest