From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #134 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, May 15 2003 Volume 08 : Number 134 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC ANNOUNCE HYDE PARK CONCERT! - 16th JULY 2003 ["John D] [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V8 #133 [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Re : Tour [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Universal acquires live music catalogue ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) ["Colette Robertson" ] Re: [AVALON] Announcement [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Eileen from Kew Gardens, Email me off list. [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Announcement ["John M. Gray" ] [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Mid-Year Gig [Joel Hurd ] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... ["Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] ROXY MUSIC ANNOUNCE HYDE PARK CONCERT! - 16th JULY 2003 Bryan Ferry.Com Says ROXY MUSIC ANNOROXY MUSIC ANNOUNCE HYDE PARK CONCERT! - 16th JULY 2003 Manzanera.Com Says Roxy Music to play London and Portugal, July 2003 Sounds like the start of a new tour. Best John Dillon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:26:32 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V8 #133 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:26:24 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Re:Disappointed a few people... I just know you're all going to come up with Bowie, Beatles, Stones etc. And Ferry would probably pipe up with Dylan (but we all know he's mad!) So come on guys and gals - who's never disappointed you in the album stakes? - ------------------------------ Aside from The Beatles: Tom Waits, Robyn Hitchcock, The Pixies, and XTC - ------------------------------ How can you say Bowie has never disappointed in the album stakes? Surely Never Let Me Down was dire or am I the only one who thinks most of his stuff from Scary Monsters to Outsider was nonsense! And the Stones - DUH! Dirty Work anybody? Band who have never disappointed... The Police (everything they recorded was a joy), the Fish-fronted Marillion never dropped the ball (they are a different band with the other guy I dont care what you say! so 7 albums of top notch music in 6 years), Roxy never dropped the ball, they just exchanged it for a new one on Flesh and Blood... The Wonderstuff - excellent... Seems to be all the people who quit while theyre ahead (intentionally or otherwise)! Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:39:10 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced > Roxy Music to play London and Portugal, July 2003 > > Press release > 15th May 2003 > > ROXY MUSIC ANNOUNCE HYDE PARK CONCERT > 16th JULY 2003 > > Roxy Music, today surprised and delighted fans by announcing that they will play a special one-off concert in Hyde Park on > Wednesday 16th July, their only UK appearance. Tickets are on sale on Monday 19th May (see ticket info below). A major announcement or a total disappointment. For me the latter, if they do some proper shows fine, if they don't maybe it's time I boxed up the collection an consigned it to the loft. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:44:23 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced In a message dated 15/05/2003 10:37:01 GMT Daylight Time, thom.wallace@ntlworld.com writes: > A major announcement or a total disappointment. For me the latter, if they > do some proper shows fine, if they don't maybe it's time I boxed up the > collection an consigned it to the loft. > So you say if people stop doing live shows (proper tours), you stop listening to them? In that case half of my music collection has to go to the loft (but it definitely won't, I've got too many great records of people who stopped touring because they broke up, died, or other circumstances, but I still listen to these records). Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:55:50 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) After being told last night about the forthcoming news, I went to bed last night like a wee boy on Christmas Eve only to wake up this morning to find that Santa brought me the same toys as last year. Don't get me wrong the thought of another Roxy show (tour?) excites me but I was so convinced it was going to be a new album. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:03:44 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) Good analogy John. I too was a little disappointed, however it does seem logical with a "new" Live album to promote. Regards, Andrew >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:55:50 EDT > >After being told last night about the forthcoming news, I went to bed last >night like a wee boy on Christmas Eve only to wake up this morning to find >that Santa brought me the same toys as last year. > >Don't get me wrong the thought of another Roxy show (tour?) excites me but >I >was so convinced it was going to be a new album. > >J.O'B. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:44:25 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) I can only hope that they have the sense to change their repertoire. After seeing Roxy many times in 2001 and listening to all the recordings, it gets a bit tedious after a while. And to think that Ferry included Roxy songs on his recent tours....Enough is enough! To the arsehole on the list, I know Roxy/Ferry don't owe me anything (by the way, I do spend a lot of $'s buying their music, so I think I/we have a say, OK the other side of the coin is don't buy!!). Can't you apply for your pension at 55 in the UK? Just a hint Ferry, unless you can come up with something original! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Shearer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) > Good analogy John. I too was a little disappointed, however it does seem > logical with a "new" Live album to promote. > > Regards, > > Andrew > > > >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) > >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:55:50 EDT > > > >After being told last night about the forthcoming news, I went to bed last > >night like a wee boy on Christmas Eve only to wake up this morning to find > >that Santa brought me the same toys as last year. > > > >Don't get me wrong the thought of another Roxy show (tour?) excites me but > >I > >was so convinced it was going to be a new album. > > > >J.O'B. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 04:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Re : Tour I guess it had to happen. Boy, there's been 'hints' aplenty. Myself and Jocelyn were rather taken aback that no-one picked up on anything at AMA2 in Amsterdam, back on March 8th. Phil Manzanera, as you know, made a Video for us, taking us for a tour around his new Gallery Studios, chatting about his current/past/future projects etc, and wishing us all a fabulous evening. But, nearing the end of the tape, he mentioned how much he had enjoyed the Roxy tour, and added 'I'd love to do some more, but... who knows' ? .. and then broke into a massive beaming smile. It seemed to be something of a hint at the time. Having said that, I too have the same feeling mentioned earlier by Mr O'Brien. While the thought of Roxy gigs is great, I was kind of hoping for the recording of an Album to be anounced. In the future perhaps ? I guess only time will tell on that one. Reecey... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Tour On Thu, 15 May 2003, Johnny Reece wrote: > While the thought of Roxy gigs is great, I was kind of > hoping for the recording of an Album to be anounced. > In the future perhaps ? I guess only time will tell > on that one. but it's just 2 gigs, so I'm not sure what the huge excitement was supposed to be about (unless that's a lie and there are more to come). I was suprised in a way that there's another London show--isn't that market about tapped out at this point (unless there is a plan to install Roxy in a theater a la Branson, Missouri, of course)? Playing "underserved" Roxy markets like Portugal does make more sense to me. And along those lines, I'd be delighted to see Roxy when I am in Bermuda the week after they play Portugal! Colleen - -- colleen is not pushy but is prepared to listen to what you want and where necessary offer guidance (courtesy of www.goooglism.com) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:49:12 +0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Universal acquires live music catalogue Hi, Here's another potentially significant piece of news for Roxy fans in particular and music fans in general: http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=681256;s=rollingnews.htm Regards Chris _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:50:55 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: more Roxy concerts so.....should we stateside fans start dreaming the somewhat impossible dream? mmmmm..... Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:55:45 +0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Radio Archive Here's a better article on the same subject from the Grauniad http://media.guardian.co.uk/radio/story/0,12636,956538,00.html Regards Chris _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:12:38 +0100 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) I didn't know how to feel this morning when I read the news but I think John has hit the nail on the head. Always great to see Roxy live but I'm sure many of us were hoping for something more. Cheers, Colette - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Shows (Tour?) > After being told last night about the forthcoming news, I went to bed last > night like a wee boy on Christmas Eve only to wake up this morning to find > that Santa brought me the same toys as last year. > > Don't get me wrong the thought of another Roxy show (tour?) excites me but I > was so convinced it was going to be a new album. > > J.O'B. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:50:06 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... "... quoted as saying that Roxy was good for Ferrys output because a) Ferry didn't get on that well with the others and that gave him a push to get on with it and b) they would do something naff and he would make it better. I guess the irony is that left to his own devices he did nothing at all." I believe there is much truth in that observation. "He still makes great music." Hear. Hear! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:21:36 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Announcement "... a couple of years ago when I voiced my opinion on Ferry's Frantic release." Wow! How time seems to fly! I thought "Frantic" was released only last year! "I'd like to see a Ferry tour with Ferry singing Ferry songs, not covers and Roxy songs ..." I've wished for this a very long time, but I am nearly convinced that we will never hear a Ferry tour where Ferry sings only Ferry.... still I wish for it... Now all I want to know is, ... who is the "arsehole", and who is the "willy"? And laugh of the day, from our own JD is... tea with "Bowels of sugar cubes" - sounds out of place at Thompson's, doesn't it! ;) Very funny typo, John! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:26:53 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Roxy Music Live Shows Announced > So you say if people stop doing live shows (proper tours), you stop listening > to them? No only the ones who seem to want to trade on past glories without trying to be creative. > In that case half of my music collection has to go to the loft (but it > definitely won't, I've got too many great records of people who stopped > touring because they broke up, died, or other circumstances, but I still > listen to these records). I've been a fan of Roxy & Ferry since 1972, I watched Ferry scale the creative hights with Roxy and sadly watched him steadily stagnate through "Boys and Girls" and finally reach the point of the mediocre of "Frantic". The last tour was ok as tours go, just a pity he feels he has to play everything at break neck speed to get back off the stage. . Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:22:57 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Announcement You mean that my Frantic album is not authentic because I got it before the "official" release date? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Announcement > "... a couple of years ago when I voiced my opinion on > Ferry's Frantic > release." > > Wow! How time seems to fly! I thought "Frantic" was > released only last year! > > > "I'd like to see a Ferry tour with Ferry singing Ferry > songs, not covers and Roxy songs ..." > > I've wished for this a very long time, but I am nearly > convinced that we will never hear a Ferry tour where Ferry > sings only Ferry.... still I wish for it... > > > Now all I want to know is, ... who is the "arsehole", and > who is the "willy"? > > And laugh of the day, from our own JD is... tea with "Bowels > of sugar cubes" - sounds out of place at Thompson's, > doesn't it! ;) Very funny typo, John! > > Best wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:21:45 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eileen from Kew Gardens, Email me off list. Eileen from Kew Gardens, Please E-mail me off list. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:38:41 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Announcement Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Frantic was released 1 year ago, a couple of years ago meant that the release was 1 year earlier, not 2, and I'm exagerating the time frame, I don't have precise dates....Just the same as we all have Horoscope and Alphaville before they've even been released! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: "John M. Gray" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Announcement > [ You mean that my Frantic album is not authentic because I > got it before the > "official" release date? ] > > But TWO years before the "official" release date? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:42:30 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced Will any of you attend Roxy Music's Hyde Park Concert 16th July 2003? I might pop over. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:56:14 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced >Will any of you attend Roxy Music's Hyde Park Concert 16th July 2003? > >I might pop over. I'm scared to find out how much airfare will cost in July. Yikes! If the airfare is right, maybe my boyfriend and I can go. He would also be able to see his newly born nephew, who is due in June. Hmmm, it's a bit of a stretch and I really really want to visit other places, as in, not in the UK. =P M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There was a young lady called M Whose real name was *ahem* *ahem* "The thing is," she said, "I'd rather be dead" "Than let out the truth just for *them*." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:08:12 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced So now the Avalon website has become a media for announcing family affairs! Tell me the date and I'll be there for the birth.....Why don't we make it a Roxy Reunion???? M, I met you in Toronto last year and what's with the M thing? Grow up, and by the way, this is an Avalon forum..if you want to announce births etc. go to the classifieds. PS: Just stirring the pot! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced > >Will any of you attend Roxy Music's Hyde Park Concert 16th July 2003? > > > >I might pop over. > > I'm scared to find out how much airfare will cost in July. Yikes! If the > airfare is right, maybe my boyfriend and I can go. He would also be able to > see his newly born nephew, who is due in June. > > Hmmm, it's a bit of a stretch and I really really want to visit other > places, as in, not in the UK. =P > > M > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > There was a young lady called M > Whose real name was *ahem* *ahem* > "The thing is," she said, > "I'd rather be dead" > "Than let out the truth just for *them*." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:32:47 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Announced Gig GRIPE, GRIPE, GRIPE. Roxy is playing a couple of shows. That SHOULD be a cause for rejoicing. Instead all I've seen on the list is the wringing of hands. "They'll do the same ol' crap" UH..., isn't the same ol' crap what we're all fans of? This IS a band that hasn't recorded a new album since the 80s. I personally would love new material, don't get me wrong, but be thankful the boys are even talking to each other after all this time. Much less that they're still alive and (I assume) sane. ...and I thought I was grumpy. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:49:46 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Brian Eno Happy Birthday to Brian Eno who is 55 years old today! Regards, Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:05:12 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V8 #127 hi to all. I was fortunate enough to attend a concert the other night in Nassau county with my #1 man (my 17 1/2 year old son) . Avril Lavigne headlined and she was "good" - Joan Jett she's not - but she's got a good voice. The other band was Simple Plan - I enjoyed them, especialy Pierre, the lead singer, whose voice is strong. Just thought I'd express myself for the moment. Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:19:46 EDT From: JaniceJanroxy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced Will any of you attend Roxy Music's Hyde Park Concert 16th July 2003? Well I would love to able to go but it's a long way from the wilds of south west Scotland. A Wednesday night is no good either and that's if I could even afford to go which I can't. But in saying all that, if they were to appear in Glasgow I'd be there like a flash!! Feel a credit card spend coming on!!! Janice. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:30:57 -0400 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Radio Archive Heh, I'm more interested in the radio archives than in the re-reunion. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mid-Year Gig - --- DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: > GRIPE, GRIPE, GRIPE. > Roxy is playing a couple of shows. > That SHOULD be a cause for rejoicing. > Instead all I've seen on the list is the wringing of hands. I agree. Personally, I'm delighted that RM are gonna play Hyde Park. Also, it's basically decided which country that I'm gonna spend my week of vacation in! - ---joel __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:16:06 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... Not really sure where you coming from on this one Keith. I already stated that as far as I am concerned Some of Ferry's best work was with Roxy .......The first five albums are set in stone as five of my favourite albums of all time..But....as I wrote some of his worst music is also with Roxy.......I was answering Tom who thinks the idea of Ferry getting together with Manzanera and Mackay is a good idea.......I don't agree........I think Ferry's solo work is brilliant..I like the idea of him working with new people sharing there ideas....John Cale was mentioned.Great idea. Unlike you think.......I am indeed from the "Old Roxy school" and you made the point well about the way they innervated the music scene in the 70's...it was fantastic music and a magical time........Unfortunately the 80's Roxy not Ferry but Roxy's out put was to put in mildly disappointing........"Just think of it ...the band than inspired a generation me and you included in the seventies" with brilliant sounds and a new way of approaching music...gave us the utterly dire sounds of "Dance away, angel eyes, Oh yeah and such others.........but thankfully that's all in the past and since then he has moved on and as become an artist that is exciting to listen to again. no one can argue that the guy is better working on his own with out the constraints of the other two.Ferry's Solo work has been far more interesting he's better than the garbage he produced in the last Roxy albums..so I state again "I hope for the sake of the music I admire and respect that he doesn't work in a studio again with Manzanera and Mackay.........He's moved on so should we. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shockley" To: "Mark Yates" ; Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Yates > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > > > > Yes sure I agree Some of Ferry's best work has been produced while working > > with Roxy. > > > > BUT........ some of his worst work was also produced while working with > > Roxy. > > > > I don't "buy into" this nonsense that Roxy are better than > > Ferry.........Roxy were Ferry he is the very essence of what Roxy were all > > about.........Ferry would have made it without Mackay and > Manzanera........I > > somehow doubt that Mackay and Manzanera would have made it without > Ferry...> > > Mark, I must respectfully disagree with many of your points. My favorite > Roxy albums were the first three. I don't think they wuld be the > groundbreaking, influential recordings that they are without the > contributions of > Andy, Phil, and Brian Eno (even though Eno did not play on the third album > Stranded). Yes, Ferry wrote most of the songs and much of the music, but the > chemistry that existed with those original members was something > magical...something the band, and Ferry himself, had trouble duplicating on > subsequent recordings. There is no doubt in my mind that musical > improvisations by the others greatly contributed to the Roxy sound. They > were able to experiment and create a new sound that was unlike anything I > had ever heard before...and since for that matter. Perhaps Ferry might have > made it on his own...that we will never know...but I don't feel that his > music would have spoken to me the way it did back in the early 70's if it > weren't for the contributions of the others. Now, seemingly you are a fan of > the later work and this may define the gist of where we both are coming > from. But for me, the best work was on those first three, and to a lesser > degree their fourth album. It was, as I described above, a "chemistry" that > most bands never strive for let alone achieve. Just my opinion....... > > Keith > NP: Being Watched / Wire ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:24:59 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V8 #133 Actually Chris the dire album you talk about was a darn good album.....the first track Day in Day out.......was a hard hitting comment on 80's society.....it could have been written about almost any western city in the mid eighties it was about life on the streets poverty and just trying to get by.an extremely hard hitting song and a hard hitting video to go with it. I'm not critising your choice but while bowie was writing songs about social injustice and racism your. Police had a single called"DO DO DO DA DA DA" just think of the pillaring Bowie would have got if he had turned out junk like that. still whatever "rocks your boat". Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V8 #133 > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:26:24 -0400 > From: "Keith Shockley" Re:Disappointed a few people... > > I just know you're all going to come up with Bowie, Beatles, Stones etc. > And > Ferry would probably pipe up with Dylan (but we all know he's mad!) So come > on guys and gals - who's never disappointed you in the album stakes? > ------------------------------ > Aside from The Beatles: Tom Waits, Robyn Hitchcock, The Pixies, and XTC > ------------------------------ > How can you say Bowie has never disappointed in the album stakes? Surely > Never Let Me Down was dire or am I the only one who thinks most of his stuff > from Scary Monsters to Outsider was nonsense! And the Stones - DUH! Dirty > Work anybody? > > Band who have never disappointed... The Police (everything they recorded was > a joy), the Fish-fronted Marillion never dropped the ball (they are a > different band with the other guy I dont care what you say! so 7 albums of > top notch music in 6 years), Roxy never dropped the ball, they just > exchanged it for a new one on Flesh and Blood... The Wonderstuff - > excellent... > > Seems to be all the people who quit while theyre ahead (intentionally or > otherwise)! > > Chris Clare > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:39:56 EDT From: JaniceJanroxy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music Live Shows Announced hi tom I live in a small town near Dumfries. I'm sure you are right about more dates being announced if this one is a sell out and though I would go to see them again I feel it's just more of the same old stuff. I didn't have a ticket for Bryan's last 'mini tour' for that reason and when i saw the pictures he even had the same suit on!!! lol. I've liked Bryan and Roxy since the start in 1972 and there are lots of better songs they could be doing instead of the tried and trusted formula. Anyway I live in hope and fingers crossed the tickets are not too expensive!! janice. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:55:15 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: [AVALON] Expression records contact Hi, does anybody know if this is still the e-mail one should use to get in contact with Manzo's site? and the Expression-shop-people? bmaccormick@cix.co.uk Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:19:56 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Radio Archive In a message dated 5/15/2003 1:32:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, vhastings@cfl.rr.com writes: > Heh, I'm more interested in the radio archives than in the re-reunion. > > Is there a website where we can access any of these archives? Thanks, Heidi ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:53:10 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Roxy,etc. We all have valued opinions & although we do wish for new material by Ferry. I believe he needs to reinvent himself to stay in the mainstream. You take "Santana" , look how long he's been around & yes he is still strong by letting other talent work with him."Ringo Star" with his all star band.. Even "Yanni" just did a new CD called "Ethnicity", different than what he's done before.This is only a few ----- And while a lot of stars do free concerts for charities or help a cause. --With REECEY & JOCEOLYN doing so much work for STRANDPOWER & those wonderful Videos. The MAD AFFAIRS 1&2. Just once wouldn't you think that Ferry could have made an appearance? Other stars have done it. What a great gesture if some one in his camp had suggested it. Sometimes something like that does more for a stars career than say rubbing elbows at some posh dinner just to make headlines. At least it would be a positive step rather than hiding from photographers because of dating a 21 yr. old. We can all wish, wish, more wish but until Ferry decides, its going to be lean pickings still same old tune, Marlana........................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:15:52 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Who's never disappointed you in the album stakes? Chris wrote; While I don't share Mark's enthusiasm for Bowi's 80's material. I do think you are selling Mr. Bowie short on trashing his material from Scary Monsters to Outside. Outside was a terrific recording but before that Bowie released the much underrated Black Tie White Noise and Buddah of Suburbia. I very much enjoy these recordings as well as the first Tin Machine album. Just my opinion..... Keith np: All Along the Watchtower / XTC (amazing live recording from transistor blast box set) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:58:12 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Yates To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... Mark, seems we agree more than we disagree. Sorry if I misunderstood your post. While i like much of ferry's solo recordings, I guess I'm still waiting for that album that will simply blow me away....fulfill all the potential that the early Roxy work began....and whether it is Bryan solo or a reformation of Roxy I don't care. I just want to be genuinely excited again. Perchance to dream.... Keith NP: Flotsam and Jetsam / Peter Gabriel > Not really sure where you coming from on this one Keith. > I already stated that as far as I am concerned Some of Ferry's best work was > with Roxy .......The first five albums are set in stone as five of my > favourite albums of all time..But....as I wrote some of his worst music is > also with Roxy.......I was answering Tom who thinks the idea of Ferry > getting together with Manzanera and Mackay is a good idea.......I don't > agree........I think Ferry's solo work is brilliant..I like the idea of him > working with new people sharing there ideas....John Cale was mentioned.Great > idea. > Unlike you think.......I am indeed from the "Old Roxy school" and you made > the point well about the way they innervated the music scene in the > 70's...it was fantastic music and a magical time........Unfortunately the > 80's Roxy not Ferry but Roxy's out put was to put in mildly > disappointing........"Just think of it ...the band than inspired a > generation me and you included in the seventies" with brilliant sounds and a > new way of approaching music...gave us the utterly dire sounds of "Dance > away, angel eyes, Oh yeah and such others.........but thankfully that's all > in the past and since then he has moved on and as become an artist that is > exciting to listen to again. no one can argue that the guy is better working > on his own with out the constraints of the other two.Ferry's Solo work has > been far more interesting he's better than the garbage he produced in the > last Roxy albums..so I state again "I hope for the sake of the music I > admire and respect that he doesn't work in a studio again with Manzanera and > Mackay.........He's moved on so should we. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Shockley" > To: "Mark Yates" ; > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:14 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Yates > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > > > > > > > Yes sure I agree Some of Ferry's best work has been produced while > working > > > with Roxy. > > > > > > BUT........ some of his worst work was also produced while working with > > > Roxy. > > > > > > I don't "buy into" this nonsense that Roxy are better than > > > Ferry.........Roxy were Ferry he is the very essence of what Roxy were > all > > > about.........Ferry would have made it without Mackay and > > Manzanera........I > > > somehow doubt that Mackay and Manzanera would have made it without > > Ferry...> > > > > Mark, I must respectfully disagree with many of your points. My favorite > > Roxy albums were the first three. I don't think they wuld be the > > groundbreaking, influential recordings that they are without the > > contributions of > > Andy, Phil, and Brian Eno (even though Eno did not play on the third album > > Stranded). Yes, Ferry wrote most of the songs and much of the music, but > the > > chemistry that existed with those original members was something > > magical...something the band, and Ferry himself, had trouble duplicating > on > > subsequent recordings. There is no doubt in my mind that musical > > improvisations by the others greatly contributed to the Roxy sound. They > > were able to experiment and create a new sound that was unlike anything I > > had ever heard before...and since for that matter. Perhaps Ferry might > have > > made it on his own...that we will never know...but I don't feel that his > > music would have spoken to me the way it did back in the early 70's if it > > weren't for the contributions of the others. Now, seemingly you are a fan > of > > the later work and this may define the gist of where we both are coming > > from. But for me, the best work was on those first three, and to a lesser > > degree their fourth album. It was, as I described above, a "chemistry" > that > > most bands never strive for let alone achieve. Just my opinion....... > > > > Keith > > NP: Being Watched / Wire > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #134 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest