From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #132 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry [chris.clare@bt.com] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... ["Rob Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] Noel Redding ["Jas" ] Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... ["Keith Shockley" Subject: Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry. Will he ever come up with an album of the quality of the first four Roxy albums again? - --------- No keith - --------------------------------------------- A little extreme there mate! The biggest drawback is the roxy show turned into the "Bryan Ferry & The Roxy Music Band" show in '79 and never recovered until the reunion tour - the byproduct of this surely being that Roxy now has for the sake of the tour set at least reinstated the 'band' principle... Surely a new Roxy album has every chance of getting close to Stranded, simple - all turn up at studio and play new material - then employ the wacky bald one not as musician but as producer (think of what he did for James's Laid album and apply it to Roxy)- a different approach surely, but thats what we dug in the first place wasnt it? Never say never - a substandard new Roxy album is better than 80% of bands best work and is definitley more welcome than another hits repackaging (or live release)... Chris Clare ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:54:33 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... Depends on your taste. I'll no doubt get savaged - blasphemy - but I don't think the first and fourth Roxy albums are that good. Bryan Ferry has made music like oh Yeah, Windswept, and I Thought as he has evolved mostly as a solo artist. The rot set in after the magnificent Stranded for Roxy. Always thought Flesh and Blood the track was interesting as no MacKay or Manzanera.....Manifesto - bad album great title track and superb lyric.. My real gripe is the lack of invention in his music now , and I reckon Eno would sort that out. Give it some "strangeness". Cheers Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "thom.wallace" To: "Avalon" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > After a few weeks of nearly all off-topic postings I'd like to pose the > question "Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry?". It's just over a month since > he had to cancell some UK shows with throat problems, and about a month > before he is due to do some shows in Europe. > > Has he been resting? > Has he been working on any new material? > Does anybody agree that the "Lambton Worm" sounds like someone impersonating > a geordie? > Will he ever come up with an album of the quality of the first four Roxy > albums again? (I personally doubt it.) > > News and views folks, at least it will be back to what the list is all > about, Roxy & Ferry. > > Tom. > > You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 04:59:14 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... In a message dated 13/05/2003 09:52:31 GMT Daylight Time, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > My real gripe is the lack of invention in his music now , and I reckon Eno > would sort that out. Give it some "strangeness". > > "Oh yeah" is one of Bryan Ferry's weaker efforts in my opinion. And, as he has already worked with Eno, why not go a different direction and work with somebody like John Cale for example. Now that would give the music an interesting direction, and certainly an edge. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:03:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Roxy on TOTP2 Tonight,6.20pm BBC2,among others,Roxy Music from the archives.JL. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:32:57 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] meetup Anyone been to the following website?.... http://www.meetup.com/ They arrange regular meetups between people with a similar interests everywhere. There is a listing for Elvis and Lisa Marie Presley, and others, but no listing for Bryan Ferry. I haven't been along to anything, but wondered if it might work for Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music Fans? Any thoughts? Tracy http://www.jamesmason.i12.com http://www.roxyferry.ic24.net http://www.elvispresleyfilmsociety.i12.com _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:07:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry I do not think that there ever will be a new Roxy album. NP Sly And The Family Stone, There's a riot going on Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:54:18 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry "Surely a new Roxy album has every chance of getting close to Stranded..." I've been away - did I miss something here? - A 'new Roxy album'??? I'd be shocked! Now that Tom has brought the list an on-topic thought I will say that I've been wondering about any progress Bryan Ferry has been making in his music. He certainly has a wealth of 'personal background' to draw inspiration from, but is he willing and able to translate? Or will he take the easy way out, and give us another "Frantic" - that hodge-podge of old material (with the exception of "I Thought") that offered nothing very "cutting-edge' or supreme about it when compared to previous work? So time has it, I'm just 'sitting on the fence' waiting to see what drives BF nowadays - a chauffeur or himself - is he along for the ride, or is he taking the wheel and breaking neck! 'You can say I got no sense' expecting a consistent and magical quality from Mr. Ferry, 'trying to make up my mind' (so much good-will) 'it really is so hard to find, so I'm just sitting on the fence' - Ma Mantra, Man. Pete is correct in writing that BF is 'running out of time'. And Jocelyn just might be right in saying that BF may very well be a 'closet Folkie'. Why, my suspicion is that even Bryan Ferry doesn't have a clear picture or focus on what he wants to, or needs to do - myopic or mad? Too many questions. Not enough answers. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:06:00 +0100 From: hatch-j@the-deane.bolton.sch.uk Subject: [AVALON] test only TEST ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:44:07 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... Will he ever come up with an album of the quality of the first four Roxy albums again? < > No > > keith I never say never. It will never be quality in the same style though, which for most of us would mean "no." But already we have those who think Avalon was the beginning of his best period and those who think that's where it ended. I loved Frantic, still do, and I like to think it's not impossible he has yet a third transition in him which might surface. And I think now, with all the transitions in his life, might be a time ripe for resurrecting passion. A talent like Ferry oozes talent even when he's not inspired or necessarily trying. Think what could happen if he were inspired anew. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:00:53 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... My real gripe is the lack of invention in his music now , and I reckon Eno would sort that out. Give it some "strangeness". > Cheers > Rob I agree with this notion, but I know Eno lost me once he entered his ambient cycle, so I'm not sure his current artistic influence is that pertinent to Ferry's music anymore, though I'm always interested to see what it does. I liked Hiroshima a lot, for strangeness and mood, even the unfinished version (Alphaville) which is almost the same and that I didn't think Eno was supposedly on, though he is on the Frantic one. I liked I Thought, which Eno is on, but I wouldn't want an entire album of it. I think I'd love to see Eno about but not an overriding influence and not on every cut. I think Eno's influence is indelible in Ferry's writing anyway. It would be thrilling though to see Eno perform live. I've always said they should just do one show in UK and one in US where Eno appears, if possible. But he would just have to be in the mood to do it, because his time is worth a lot of $$ these days. And I guess he's never been much of a tourer. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:16:40 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... I like the John Cale idea.........Now that would be interesting. I don't think and live in hope there won't be another Roxy album. I much prefer Ferry to work with his own ideas without the constraints of other less talented band members.IF he can produce another album as good as FRANTIC then I for one will be more than pleased. Regards. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > In a message dated 13/05/2003 09:52:31 GMT Daylight Time, > robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > > > My real gripe is the lack of invention in his music now , and I reckon Eno > > would sort that out. Give it some "strangeness". > > > > > > "Oh yeah" is one of Bryan Ferry's weaker efforts in my opinion. > And, as he has already worked with Eno, why not go a different direction and > work with somebody like John Cale for example. Now that would give the music > an interesting direction, and certainly an edge. > > Goodie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:33:18 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to Bryan Ferry >From: Daniel Atterbom >I do not think that there ever will be a new Roxy album. > >NP Sly And The Family Stone, There's a riot going on I agree Daniel. There will never be another Roxy Music album. I never quite understood the concept of "breaking up the band" for artistic reasons and then only putting out sporatic solo releases. The only thing I can think of is that Ferry does not enjoy the early Roxy stuff as much as we do and prefers to play his current set list over his classics. I watched the DVD Live at the Apollo last night for the first time and I have to say it sounded superb!! Still get goose bumps on the closing "For Your Pleasure". They are the best art-glam band around and they don't exist anymore. Musical difference or ego's or can't agree how to split the paycheck. Actually, if it was about money wouldn't they make more as group? It's called name recognition. Kinda like what Gilmour did with the Floyd name. Anyways, I can't wait to convert the DVD to CDR to play in the car!! Come on Bryan, Wholly Bully or Mother of Pearl? You're not a wedding singer?? America is waiting for a message of some sort or another..... Give Peace A Chance, Rod NP. Cheap Trick-Cheap Trick _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:23:06 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > I don't think and live in hope there won't be another Roxy album. I much prefer Ferry to work with his own ideas > without the constraints of other less talented band members. The fact is that Ferry's best work has always been produced when working with these so called "less talented band members". Manzanera and Mackay bring something special to Ferry's material that is sadly missing from his solo projects. I'd love to see what would come out of a new Roxy studio project, but only if it were done as a true band album. I once heard around the time of the original discussions for the reunion tour that there was a chance of the material from which Alphaville was culled could have been given a re-working as Roxy, I'm glad it wasn't though some of the tracks would have been a welcome addition to the Roxy cannon had they been originally recorded by the band. > IF he can produce another album as good as FRANTIC then I for one will be more than pleased. Well I'm sure your wish will come true and his next album will probably follow in the same vain as Frantic, and sadly sound as ordinary as Frantic. For me Ferry seems to have lost his way musically and a reunion in the studio with Manzanera and Mackay could only be a positive. However it seems that he is now quite happy to constantly tour the same old set of songs and take the cash rather than try something with a bit of adventure to it. You may think that Manzanera and Mackay are less talented, but at least Manzanera is still trying different things. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:56:19 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... Apologies if this is repetition but is one of the best interviews I've seen. Answers some questions about the sort of music he makes "I've always wanted to make an album everybody hated" - came close with Taxi, Siren, Bete Noire and Manifesto I think. Hope the link works I'm not good with this sort of thing. Rob PS Jane Collard - will mail soon - sorry http://www.nyrock.com/interviews/2002/ferry_int.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mt cafe Subject: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... >From: "thom.wallace" >Subject: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > Has he been resting? Probably, but can he afford to? Has he been working on any new material? Who knows, but I doubt it. Does anybody agree that the "Lambton Worm" sounds like someone impersonating a geordie? NO!! Will he ever come up with an album of the quality of the first four Roxy albums again? (I personally doubt it.) Thatbs impossible. Roxy Music doesnbt exist anymore and everyone has moved on to do their own thing. SJ News and views folks, at least it will be back to what the list is all about, Roxy & Ferry. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com _____________________________________________________________ http://www.lovemail.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:07:34 -0500 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] Noel Redding I know this is not Roxy related, but is music related. Noel Redding, the original bassist for the Jimi Hendrix Experience was found dead Sunday in his home in Ireland. He was 57. He added a lot to Jimi's sound. One story goes that had Jimi not died in London when he did, he was going to reunite with Noel and Mitch Mitchell and reform the Experience and tour again. He will be missed. Jas NP: Little Miss Strange and I Don't Live Today. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:17:38 -0400 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Whiteford To: thom.wallace ; Avalon Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Whatever happened to... > I'll no doubt get savaged - blasphemy - but I don't think the first and > fourth Roxy albums are that good. > Cheers > Rob BLASPHEME!!! keith np: personal jesus / johnny cash ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:06:03 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: [AVALON] Always Unknowing remix Jock O'Brien relates the following on www.vivaroxymusic.com "The SACD re-master of Roxy Music's 'Avalon' album will be released on 9th June 2003. This re-release is to coincide with the 21st Anniversary of the album and has an expanded booklet. A normal CD player will play the original track listing and a new re-mixed version of Always Unknowing can be heard if you have a DSD multichannel (SACD) player" Always Unknowing is a fine song, one of my Roxy favourites. Thrilling news. John notes that basin-fringed lickmeister Neil Hubbard is the only musician formally credited on this track, and perhaps that explains why it never made it to the lush mist-laden pastures of Avalon. What a golden period as Bryan searched for a sound cradled in velvet and rose petals, a halcyon day or two. I came late to Always Unknowing having unfathomably not bought the single that accompanied it, and finally caught up with this jewel on The Thrill Of It All boxset. (Subsequently lost in a car break-in.) So I, for one, welcome this SACD release. SACD is a curious acronym n'est pas ? HAPPCY would be more alluring. And will SACD have that surround-sound thing going when played on my 5 speaker DVD/CD player perchance? Perchance to dream indeed. pip pip Martineaux ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #132 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest