From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #119 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, May 1 2003 Volume 08 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] musicianship [chris.clare@bt.com] [AVALON] Re:The Loud Family [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] musicianship ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] musicianship [Karen Swenson ] Re: [AVALON] musicianship [Karen Swenson ] Re: [AVALON] musicianship ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Kari-Ann Muller ["frantic22" ] Re: [AVALON] musicianship [Stevesiren@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:23:03 +0100 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] musicianship Subject: Re: [AVALON] white stripes vs musicianship chris.clare@bt.com writes: "yes you do - thats why Kiss still fill arenas and the NYDolls are dead or long ignored" ======================================================== stevesiren wrote : "Personaly speaking I wouldn't cross the street to see Kiss, but if Johnny thunders were still alive I'd travel whereever to see the NYD. even though I've no doubt that Kiss are the better musicians,Does this mean I don't like music?" ========================================================= Doe sit mean you dont like music? No, and I may have misled you into thinking i dont like the Dolls - but how long can you run on rough edges - you inadvertently get better with time and incessant playing and becoma sanitized and lose your appeal - imagine Personality Crisis if they were still together LOL... give me a break! At the end of the day a great album is a great album, an album showing off potential is nice but leaves you wanting more - trouble is when members die or bands break up all of a sudden people start seeing average records as works of genius (ala Nirvana). I believe a lot of it is the culture which came in in the early 90s which was to resent successful bands for not being down to earth enough (hence why rock n roll lost its spirit and its now fighting to get back) - personally I want my rock stars with a bit of pretentiousness - Im already normal and I dont need reminding - Entertainment and Escapism forever! Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 04:58:42 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re:The Loud Family Not to long ago on PBS there was another documentary on Lance.With all the Reality shows on TV, they wanted to show that the Loud Family was indeed the first reality show ever done. He at this time was dying of aids & they went back & did a recap of his life. He led quite a life, & a shame he just couldn't shake his drug habit. He was writing editorals for a newspaper, & said he was quite good at it. At his memorial service Rufus Wainwright sang a song. Lance's wish was for his Mother & Father to get back together. They had divorced. The documentary did say that they did get reunited. Maybe PBS will rerun it again like they do a lot of other shows. Marlana..................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:12:50 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] musicianship >stevesiren wrote : "Personaly speaking I wouldn't cross the street to see Kiss, but if Johnny thunders were still alive I'd travel whereever to see the NYD. < Jeez, what's wrong with me? I seem to agree with both of you. There's something so hopeful and exciting about a raw band like the Dolls or the Stooges when they first emerge all fresh and you don't know what they'll do next. Freshness and spirit certainly override musicianship prowess, and I think they're the heart of rock n roll more than technical proficiency is. ====> I believe a lot of it is the culture which came in in the early 90s which was to resent successful bands for not being down to earth enough (hence why rock n roll lost its spirit and its now fighting to get back) - personally I want my rock stars with a bit of pretentiousness - Im already normal and I dont need reminding - Entertainment and Escapism forever! Chris<=== That grunge thing seems to cycle in and out every 25 years. Almost every high school or college student goes through a nice healthy anti-materialistic rebellion at one time or other and so there's always music to reflect that and depending on what's going on in the world, it grows or shrinks some. When a subculture gets stuck there moaning about what they don't like and doesn't move forward and ask themselves what they DO want, the whole thing grows stale. I DEFINITELY want my rock stars with a bit of pretention, too. I want to see someone go for it. Bowie once said, "It's not who you are, it's who you want to be that counts." I want to see who my rockers WANT to be, not who they used to be. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:33:21 -0500 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] musicianship Paula Brown wrote: > Freshness and spirit certainly override musicianship prowess and > I want my rock stars with a bit of pretentiousness I know of a self-professed non-musician social climber with the initials B.F. who fits the bill perfectly! ;o) Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:54:31 -0500 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] musicianship Paula Brown wrote: > Freshness and spirit certainly override musicianship prowess and > I want my rock stars with a bit of pretentiousness I know of a self-professed non-musician social climber with the initials B.F. who fits the bill perfectly! ;o) Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:19:32 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] musicianship Yes, and BF has it all, musicianship, freshness, AND spirit. > Freshness and spirit certainly override musicianship prowess > I know of a self-professed non-musician social climber with the > initials B.F. who fits the bill perfectly! ;o) > > Karen Yes, and BF has it all, musicianship, freshness, AND spirit. And the fact that he's always changed has kept him exciting as well. He changes what he does, both in image and music, but underneath it, there's always a solid unmistakable Ferry core. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:40:36 +0100 From: "frantic22" Subject: [AVALON] Kari-Ann Muller Whilst browsing through an old copy of Q (Jan 93), I came across an article called "Who Are These People?", they are people who have featured on "some of the most famous album covers ever". Out of these 17 famous covers, 3 are by Roxy Music! The interview with Kari-Ann is quite fun as she tells the tale of being paid "a meagre #20" and she finds it ironic "it was voted the best cover of the decade". Also she describes the cover as "ice-creamy" and of a "marshmellow, or something really delicious"! Yum, yum Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:19:16 EDT From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] musicianship In a message dated 30/04/2003 09:24:17 GMT Standard Time, chris.clare@bt.com writes: > but how long can you run on rough edges - > you inadvertently get better with time and incessant playing and becoma > sanitized and lose your appeal - imagine Personality Crisis if they were > still together LOL... give me a break! Agreed Chris, bands do become sanitized, the Clash's biggest selling album worldwide is "Combat Rock" by which time their rough edges had been smoothed right down, "raw" music only sells so many copies. As for the Dolls doing "Personality Crisis" today it'd be as ridiculous as the Stones still doing "Satisfaction" nearly 40yrs later.... > > At the end of the day a great album is a great album, an album showing off > potential is nice but leaves you wanting more - trouble is when members die > or bands break up all of a sudden people start seeing average records as > works of genius (ala Nirvana). > > Death does seem to make average records "classics" Lennon's "Double Fantasy" being a good case, I remember my dissapointment on hearing "Starting Over" the first time, it's certainly not "God" I guess it's just personal taste but I like raw music, the best Roxy bootlegs are the early ones with bum notes & flat vocals, I still find it exciting 30yrs later. Regards Steve np Buzzcocks "Love Battery" (live at the Roxy) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #119 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest