From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #83 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, March 25 2003 Volume 08 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] NIA Birmingham ["Cassidy, Chris J (CPS)" ] [AVALON] Coleen et al [atoman@uku.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Sugar and Spice [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Birmingham NIA ["Mark Stephens" ] [AVALON] Off Topic ["Mark Stephens" ] Re: [AVALON] Sugar and Spice ["Theresa Fagan" ] [AVALON] Ferry/Lucy thing! [mt cafe ] Re: [AVALON] please ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Lucy's split ["Keith Shockley" ] [AVALON] Re:Ferry Breakup [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] Freedom of expression reply ["Jas" ] [AVALON] More then this & Video fav [Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] NIA Birmingham Hi everyone, Basically the same set as last autumn with a few minor changes. Unlike October however, there were hundreds of empty seats at the rear of the hall but still a healthy 5/6000 in attendance I would have thought. Beautiful intro from Julia and then into TOF which seemed a bit more up tempo than usual. Early on Lucy's stand-in (can't remember her name) sounded a bit Jobsonesque but this seemed to fade as the night wore on as her profile became lower and lower. The guitars seemed quite low in the mix for me, particularly Mick Green. Is this deliberate? Must admit I find it a bit disappointing when you arrive at a what should be a distinct solo and it just dies or disappears..... The backing singers were.......good singers and seemed to enjoy themselves, the singer to the left of the stage - who looked South American - had a particularly good set of tonsils. Highlights for me were TTOIA, Cruel, TJ, B&G, JG, Fool for Love (Spedding's solo awesome on this one). Dance Away came over quite well - I liked the arabesky violin bit towards the end. I was hoping on hope for a different ending - you know, the equivalent of Frank Sinatra actually getting onto the back of Von Ryan's express at the end instead of being shot in the back , so to speak, but it wasn't to be. After LST, we got Woolly Bully (my ambivalence towards this is nothing to do with the fact that the Wolves fans' used to serenade Albion reject Steve Bull to it, honest) and Goodnight Irene....sorry but this has me almost lost for words, not that I totally dislike the song but I can think of several hundred preferred alternatives in a live setting. My daughter Isabella's fave was Love is the Drug, matching her sparkly LITD t-shirt from the Roxy tour. She also loved Martina Sorbara so much so that her financier for the evening had to fork out #12 for the CD (on top of the special treat at her favourite Italian restaurant, San Carlo in Temple St - if you ever get a chance to go, do, this is Italian cuisine at its very best and not too expensive) and wait in a queue for 15 minutes while she got her to autograph it. She also got Julia's autograph as she was warming up and thanks to the quick thinking of Mark 'Bailey' Stephens, what will be a lovely photo for the album - cheers Mark! After the show, Isy wanted to meet Bryan so we hunted down his blue Jag amidst the Presidential sized security. She then raced to the front of the queue (with me just a hundredth of a second behind) when he came out (in the Jag) and gave him a small present which she had bought with her, to which she got a nice surprised "ooooh" and a smile. I managed a brief word and he confirmed what I had suspected at the beginning of the show that he had a heavy cold and said he needed to get back to the Hotel asap. As usual, he was polite and obliging to the group of about 30 fans who had waited and then dashed off into the night with the usual hallmark smile and wave. You couldn't help but wonder what was going on though behind the mask. Isy and I then walked back through a deserted Brum to the car. As we walked along the canal we caught the glorious smell of a balti or jalfriezi wafting across our path. I could 'bost' a curry Isy says in true Black Country fashion - much as I was tempted the line had to be drawn somewhere and she got a resounding Harry Anfieldesque "NO!" It was great to meet a fair smattering of the midlands-based Avalonians again last night - shame due to the entry restrictions that Isy and I couldn't join you for a pre-show drink in the Malthouse - boo, hiss. It was an especially nice surprise to see Diane Whateley who'd grabbed a quick flight down from bonny Scotland - how the other half live eh? Well I think that's me done until the next time which no doubt will be the best time........ Regards Chris. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:48 +0000 From: atoman@uku.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Coleen et al.... I don't know!....Well...., I just don't know. I may well be old-fashioned. But I thought I'd got the gist of this "List" thing. Maybe not? When I started looking at, and occasionaly, contributing to discussion lists, I saw them as just that! Disscusions. I kind of thought we were all down the pub, sometimes joining in with the general coversation, and now and then having an aside with a particular individual, invited or not. Along the lines of "YOU MUST BE JOKING..." (To the group.), and then, quietly, to one or more, "But you and I might be talking bollocks as well?"). I don't really see this "Uninvited" thing? It's a bit like, to me, not wanting an opinion out of the blue! "I'm not interested in anything any one wants' to say to me in private, make it public so I can show off my higher wit and command of the English language, or be put down for not being bright enough to understand obscure protocols and tiny ettiquette!". If you don't know the rules from the start, you're a prole, and you don't get in! I think Coleen, et al, have genuine wit, a way with words that is both entertaining, and provocative. Yet I feel, as a Lurk, these words, in their final form, seem to somehow alienate me, make me want to not "bother", because they're so fixed in their finallity of the "Form", the "Protocol". Oh....let's go down the pub and have a good chin wag, like we used to! Un-invited an' all! Hell....it 'aint WAR! Atoman. xxxx(Coleen) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:05:49 -0800 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Sugar and Spice I usually don't weigh in on these matters...but this unfolding situation has grabbed peoples attention, i think because of prevailing notions. Men are usually heartless skirt chasing cads. Especially when you add the usually shallow Rock star element along with it...Thus, that must of been what was going on here...But SURPRISE, women are not always sugar and spice and everything nice, as I foolishly believed when growing up. No one is completely innocent. Rarely is their one villain. Of course this is none of my business. Running out of time ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:18 +0000 From: atoman@uku.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Coleen et al I'm sorry. Really! I am. And others may never know why. Because I posted "Privately", "Uninvited!". Every day has it's Dog! Atoman. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:16:20 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sugar and Spice In a message dated 24/03/2003 23:09:40 GMT Standard Time, petekstranded@worldnet.att.net writes: > But SURPRISE, women are not always sugar and spice and > everything nice, as I foolishly believed when growing up. Of course we're not. That's a fairy tale... Who ever told you that??????? Dream on... G. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:04:11 -0000 From: "Mark Stephens" Subject: [AVALON] Birmingham NIA Good to meet up with quite a few people last night, Steve Siren, Sue and Katie, Pauline and friend, Duncan who had pole position next to me on the stage. Mandy, and Tracy who were straight up to the stage from A Thrill Of It All, Chris Cassidy and Daughter Izzie, who managed to get an autograph off Julia. (I will send you the photo Chris), Russ and Partner who I met for the first time, and Diane, who was behind me but still managed to get to the front centre stage. Hope I have'nt missed anyone out, One or two people suggested we must have a Midlands Meet up some time, It sounds like a good idea to me perhaps when the tour is over and life is back to normal. I'd be happy to organise it with a little help from my friends! It will probably be in Leicester though if I organise it. As for the show, BF seemed really up for it, probably as a result of the the audience early stage rush lead by all the above. The band seemed to be having a lot of fun up there as well. I caught Mick having a backstage smooch with Julia whilst waiting for the Encore. No surprises with the list, some Avalonian deabate at the end about Goodnight Irene, Love it or hate it, I love it and I think it is a great end to a show. No more shows left for me now, Have a great time up North and in Scotland, Regards, Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:10:04 -0000 From: "Mark Stephens" Subject: [AVALON] Off Topic Anyone interested in Paul McCartney tickets for Saturday 05.04.03 Sheffield Arena, please contact me off list, I have spare tickets as I shall be going to Birmingham instead. They are good seats, although not so close as we are all used to being, I don't think you will see if his pants are sticking outside his trousers. Face value ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:16:30 -0500 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sugar and Spice Here's my "Snips and Snails and Puppy Dog Tails": TBSB cover girl Barbara Allen recently became available (ouch). Little Girl, - --TriTri - ----- Original Message ----- From: | | > But SURPRISE, women are not always sugar and spice and | > everything nice, as I foolishly believed when growing up. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: mt cafe Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Lucy thing! [quote]I speak up because a lot of meeker people who feel the same as I do WILL be run off by the insults, and I don't think that's fair. >Paula [end quote] Now it is your turn to presume that others (the meeker) feel the same as you; why not run a poll?? But with all due respect, some people do tend to take things a little too seriously in all matters Bryan and if someone doesn't agree, well, we've seen what happens. Let it be said I don't agree with flaming, insults or imposed thoughts. Opinions I can take or leave. No one has said we shouldn't take an interest in what goes on in Bryan's life, but to nit-pick and examine under a microscope every scrap of information that the press spits at us is asking for trouble. Of course we should read the articles and discuss the situation, but it should then be forgotten and not dragged out to such an extent that it does become boring. And it does. The one thing I haven't seen mention of yet is that of the B#10 mil that Mizzz Helmore is getting her mitts on, some of it is actually mine, and of course, yours! Personally, she's very welcome to it (with interest) if it get's her off Bryan's back. Furthermore, the 80's and 90's were the crappiest of times for Ferry musically (unless you came in late) so one can only wish for a better future for Bry' and for us; the ever faithful fans. A final note to this thread. I certainly don't see private mail as an infringment on my privacy, quite the opposite as it shows that someone cares enough to take you into consideration. I got a lot of mail when I asked about "A Mad Affair" and to those who sent me information, I thank you. SJ _____________________________________________________________ http://www.lovemail.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:44:20 -0500 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] please - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: [AVALON] please I now personally "invite" anyone reading this to send me private email. The topic does not even have to be Roxy / Ferry. Have a go at it, mates.......... keith NP: Powderfinger / Neil Young > Jonathan wrote: > > > It is my firm belief that you should NEVER post off list without being > > invited to do so. I wouldn't dream of it and i'm sure i'm not alone. If I am > > sent a message uninvited then it's mine to do with what I want. Suppose for > > example that the message was one that caused extreme offence. Keep it to > > myself do I? > > 1. It is not rude to send a private email to someone on the list--or indeed > anywhere else--without a formal invitation to do so (although the content of > such an email may of course be rude). I would wager that the vast majority of > people on this list have sent and received friendly private, and "univited" > emails without any ill-effects. (and how does this work anyway? is an > "invitation" issued along ? And if so, how? via email (an "uninvited" one?)? > telegram?) > > 2. The writer of a letter retains copyright. > > 3. If folks on the list think they are abused by other list members, please > contact me, offlist. That's what I am here for. Please do not take your > concerns to the list at large. > > Thank you. > > Colleen > p.s. I am not exactly able to respond as quickly I would like to things this > week, so please be patient. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from webmail.his.com. > http://www.his.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:03:51 -0500 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Lucy's split - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry & Lucy's split > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz your point being? keith np: Night Porter / Japan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:38:41 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re:Ferry Breakup Hey all! Here is my word, hopefully the last, on the Ferry Breakup front. Whenever a friend of mine goes through a divorce (or a birth for that matter), I offer them a freindly ear, a good bottle of wine, and some sympathy. Or empathy, where appropriate. Or criticism, if they are in the wrong. I have been divorced. I have had my heart broken. (Okay, they were seperate events, but lets ignore that for the moment...) And though Bryan Ferry is not a friend of mine, I will make an exception. If he wants a sympathetic, empathetic ear, he is welcome to come round anytime he wants. I promise to be honest, kind, compassionate, and serve a great spanish wine or two.... - --Andrew in Chicago NP: The Magnetic Fields. (These guys are brilliant!) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:29:15 -0600 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] Freedom of expression reply > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:29:18 -0500 (EST) > From: Colleen Matan > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Lucy's split-Freedom of expression > Colleen replied: If you go back and read my message more carefully, you are bound to note that nowhere in it did I say that folks can't weigh in on it. In fact, some of you know me as someone who frequently holds unpopular "opinion's" on this mailing list, and as someone who constantly speaks up to defend the rights of others to speak freely. However, I was using my freedom of expression to weigh in that given we know basically nothing about the real details of this situation, I personally think it's inappropriate, and kind of, well, pathetic, that people are spending so much time trying to figure out who is to "blame" in this sad situation. Or do I not have the right to express my opinion on this subject? Jas's reply: I can read very well thank you. I blamed no one.You can express whatever you like, but who are you to tell anyone what is inappropriate, pathetic or not? But I guess since you are the moderator so we should defer to you. Correct? I try to stay out of most of the discussions only adding a bit here or there. I make my point albeit, briefly and then make an exit stage left. I have kept my responses and inquires to the subject of this discussion group which is Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry et al. . If I disagree with someone's post, I just skip over it and go on to the next. I have empathy with what Bryan COULD being going thru now. Of of course I do not know what is going on in his world. I have left that up to the others to fill me in. We hear so little about him here in Chicago. We see even less of him and that's only when he decides to tour or promote. I hold on to that temporary "thrill" until the next visit or the next release. My concern was as a fan ( and a long time one at that thank you) not as gossip monger. Bryan's human and hurts and bleeds like everyone else and for that reason that why I asked my question. Take whatever you like of my reponse and I'm sure you will, but your condescending reply offended me. You have your supporters, but I'm not in that camp. Yes, I'm making MY statement public because your response to ME was public. Peace Jas Anderson Chicago BTW: Whatever happened to Kiki? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:55:59 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] More then this & Video fav Ok, IMHO this is not a list of about a dead dog (although we miss him), nor a list on divorce (I have not gone through one and do not intend to). But this is a list on everything Roxy. And today's topic is videos. I watched the video to More then this on VH1 classic and really liked it. 37 year old Bryan looking true to form .Phil Manzanera stylish as ever. So: Which Roxy & solo video is the best? Which Roxy & solo video is the worst? My votes will be in later. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #83 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest