From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #75 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, March 18 2003 Volume 08 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Newbie Post - Hi everybody! [chris.clare@bt.com] Re: [AVALON] NIA Birmingham meet [pauline.okeeffe@btopenworld.com] Re: [AVALON] Newbie Post - Hi everybody! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry ["Pete ] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry [Karen ] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry ["Pete] Fw: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry ["Col] Re: Fw: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon [cjem@his.com] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon ["Heather Buch" ] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry [DEAGLE] Re: [AVALON] Avalon and Mamouna! [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry ["Paul] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry ["Jud] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Dream set list ["Russ Brown" ] Fw: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon ["Karin Whitney" ] Re: [AVALON] Avalon and Mamouna! ["Heather Buch" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:40:06 -0000 From: chris.clare@bt.com Subject: [AVALON] Newbie Post - Hi everybody! From: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year I'm an American and Avalon is my least favorite Roxy Music album. I prefer the first three albums more than all the others combined, although i like all the albums to varying degrees. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- First Id just like to say "Hi!" to everybody on this list - have been pondering joining for a while now and finally cracked last week - Nice to see theres a healthy online community for Roxy as finding Roxy fans in the 3 dimensional world is not something I can say has ever happened to me ;-) In response to the above debate I would comment Avalon is a great album but only works in certain situations - i.e. quiet evening with some mates and a bottle of wine - makes good background music - as for the first three albums - - I think some people miss that roxys consistent period ran through till Siren which is a very strong album and one I still adore (worth the cover price for Whirlwind, Both Ends... and Just Another High alone IMHO). Manifesto still provides me with a raised eyebrow though not to the degree of Flesh And Blood which aside of Same Old Scene I could burn quite remorselessly! Anyway - nice to find where the action is and hope theres plenty to natter about etc - Cheers! Christopher Clare : BT Onebill : Base Telephony "I tried but I could not find a way...." www.geocities.com/onehundredandonedamnations/INDEX ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:44:18 +0000 (GMT) From: pauline.okeeffe@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] NIA Birmingham meet I reckon that you could be thinking of the Malt House in Brindleylace,It's very close to the NIA and serves food from 12-9pm if you're peckish. Well,if it was good enough for President Clinton!I'm going to try and get there for 7. Hope to see you there- Duncan,Mandy,Tracey,Mark,Steve,Chris,Terry etc! All the best, Pauline > from: Mark Stephens > date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:17:29 > to: avalon@smoe.org > subject: Re: [AVALON] NIA Birmingham meet > > Does anyone know the name of that pub, to the side of the NIA, next to the > canal? It makes an ideal meet up place, I shall be there before the show with > Steve Siren and co. I am in the process of moving my computer today, so it may > be late before I can respond to any e-mails, we have a week to plan anyway, > > Regards, Mark > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:02:19 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Newbie Post - Hi everybody! Welcome Christopher, we're not the land of Death, only in name in yest, in yest. NP Marvin Gaye, The way love is live Washington DC 1972 Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:07:28 -0000 From: "Steve Hodson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] ferry makes it into sunday papers > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Routley > Sent: 15 March 2003 20:41 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry makes it into sunday papers > > > -----Original Message----- > From:kevin > To: Avalon > Date: 14 March 2003 20:39 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] ferry makes it into sunday papers > > > >well i see ferry makes the sunday papers [cant say which one or more?] > but your clue is theres no salt with this paper old boy? >> 'Men of style' article in the 'style' supplement of 'The Sunday Times',gotta wonder how that goon David Beckham made it into that article. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:03:24 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry BRYAN FERRY He has been called "the sultan of suave" and "the coolest living Englishman", and at 57 Bryan Ferry is probably the only British performer to carry off a white tuxedo and leather trousers. After his 1972 debut in Roxy Music, these days he is to be found dressed in cool, country style on his Sussex estate. 1. WHERE DOES HE SHOP? Bond Street and Savile Row. His suits are made bespoke by Anderson & Sheppard, the only Savile Row tailor to make sleeves with buttons that cannot be undone. Anderson & Sheppard's house style has an instant lived-in feel that chimes perfectly with Ferry's slightly crumpled aesthetic. "I've only recently got back into Savile Row and the whole idea of the British craftsman," he says, "it's rather nice to support that." 2. WHAT LABELS DOES HE WEAR? Slim-fitting modern suits from Dior and Gucci ("I really like what Tom Ford is doing," he says, "His stuff reminds me of things I wore in the 1970's".), as well as Diesel jeans. John Smedley's merino V-necks and monogrammed shirts from Richard James. Last year he splashed out on some black crocodile loafers by LObb, and has just put in an order for a personalised pair of shoes from the new Tattoo range by Berluti. 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. 4. WHAT'S HIS TOP SHOPPING TIP? An art-school education and an encyclopaedic knowledge of fashion history is a great aid to choosing timelessly stylish clothes. 5. WHAT HAS BEEN HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL LOOK? Anthony Price has dressed Ferry in his Roxy uniform of thin-cut suits and tuxedos. For the latest tour, Price concocted Ferry's torch-singer ensemble of black leather trousers, white shirt and black tuxedo. It should have looked ridiculous, but on the singer's lanky frame it has become the acme of fiftysomething cool. 6. WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM HIS STYLE? You don't have to don an anorak and trainers to be a pop star. If anyone wants to see the original article, "Men With Style" complete with pictures mail me. Colette ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:41:34 +0000 From: Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] Brighton There is a short review of the Brighton show here: http://www.thisisbrighton.co.uk/brighton__hove/leisure/REVIEW1.html and an explanation of why we had to stand here: http://www.thisisbrighton.co.uk/brighton__hove/archive/2003/03/14/NEWS103ZM. html We weren't complaining were we? Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:48:11 -0500 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry What is a T-shirt vest? And can he only get it at K-Mart??? Pete S. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colette Robertson" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > BRYAN FERRY > > He has been called "the sultan of suave" and "the coolest living Englishman", > and at 57 Bryan Ferry is probably the only British performer to carry off a > white tuxedo and leather trousers. After his 1972 debut in Roxy Music, these > days he is to be found dressed in cool, country style on his Sussex estate. > > 1. WHERE DOES HE SHOP? > > Bond Street and Savile Row. His suits are made bespoke by Anderson & > Sheppard, the only Savile Row tailor to make sleeves with buttons that cannot > be undone. Anderson & Sheppard's house style has an instant lived-in feel > that chimes perfectly with Ferry's slightly crumpled aesthetic. "I've only > recently got back into Savile Row and the whole idea of the British > craftsman," he says, "it's rather nice to support that." > > 2. WHAT LABELS DOES HE WEAR? > > Slim-fitting modern suits from Dior and Gucci ("I really like what Tom Ford is > doing," he says, "His stuff reminds me of things I wore in the 1970's".), as > well as Diesel jeans. John Smedley's merino V-necks and monogrammed shirts > from Richard James. Last year he splashed out on some black crocodile loafers > by LObb, and has just put in an order for a personalised pair of shoes from > the new Tattoo range by Berluti. > > 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? > > White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. > > 4. WHAT'S HIS TOP SHOPPING TIP? > > An art-school education and an encyclopaedic knowledge of fashion history is a > great aid to choosing timelessly stylish clothes. > > 5. WHAT HAS BEEN HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL LOOK? > > Anthony Price has dressed Ferry in his Roxy uniform of thin-cut suits and > tuxedos. For the latest tour, Price concocted Ferry's torch-singer ensemble > of black leather trousers, white shirt and black tuxedo. It should have > looked ridiculous, but on the singer's lanky frame it has become the acme of > fiftysomething cool. > > 6. WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM HIS STYLE? > > You don't have to don an anorak and trainers to be a pop star. > > > > If anyone wants to see the original article, "Men With Style" complete with > pictures mail me. > > Colette > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:41:36 -0600 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry Colette Robertson wrote: > 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? > > White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. Wow, that's a revelation! I wonder if he shops for them himself when in the US, or if he takes delivery. For Pete: I would think a t-shirt vest is what we Yanks usually call an undershirt, and Kmart is the _last_ place I could picture Bryan buying anything. Karen NP: Was (Not Was), In Kmart Wardrobe "Baby this is love Discount coupons floated from above Broiled chickens sang us Love songs from a skewer Have you ever been this close To going down the sewer In K Mart wardrobe" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:17:05 -0500 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry Yes, I can see it now: Bryan pushing a cart around K-Mart, filled with t-shirts, polyester pants, and a giant bag of dry dog food, all the while drinking a slurpee, then trying to get into the "six items or less" line. Pete S. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Swenson" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > Colette Robertson wrote: > > > 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? > > > > White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. > > Wow, that's a revelation! I wonder if he shops for them himself > when in the US, or if he takes delivery. > > For Pete: I would think a t-shirt vest is what we Yanks usually > call an undershirt, and Kmart is the _last_ place I could picture > Bryan buying anything. > > Karen > > NP: Was (Not Was), In Kmart Wardrobe > > "Baby this is love > Discount coupons floated from above > Broiled chickens sang us > Love songs from a skewer > Have you ever been this close > To going down the sewer > In K Mart wardrobe" > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:10:10 -0000 From: "Colette Robertson" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colette Robertson" To: "Pete Seely" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > LOL!! So to us Brits would that compare to Bryan buying his undies from > Poundstretchers? Can't quite see it can you? > > Colette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Seely" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > > > > Yes, I can see it now: Bryan pushing a cart around K-Mart, filled with > > t-shirts, polyester pants, and a giant bag of dry dog food, all the while > > drinking a slurpee, then trying to get into the "six items or less" line. > > > > Pete S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen Swenson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > > > > > > > Colette Robertson wrote: > > > > > > > 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? > > > > > > > > White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. > > > > > > Wow, that's a revelation! I wonder if he shops for them himself > > > when in the US, or if he takes delivery. > > > > > > For Pete: I would think a t-shirt vest is what we Yanks usually > > > call an undershirt, and Kmart is the _last_ place I could picture > > > Bryan buying anything. > > > > > > Karen > > > > > > NP: Was (Not Was), In Kmart Wardrobe > > > > > > "Baby this is love > > > Discount coupons floated from above > > > Broiled chickens sang us > > > Love songs from a skewer > > > Have you ever been this close > > > To going down the sewer > > > In K Mart wardrobe" > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:33:32 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish [ >first - from paula brown: "Man Has Sex With Road Cone." So there you have it.< > Mark Shanahan: > oh - so sorry. that still doesn't beat "mother loses twins in poker > game." nice try, though. :^) Well, if I were writing the tabloids, I'd up the ante with "Man Has Sex with Twin Road Cones Mother Lost in Poker Game." But as you know, those of us who are truly talented are always overlooked in favor of more mainstream writers. ] - ----------------------- Oh, Thanks for clearing That Up! - I thought "Man has sex with Road Cone" was the title of the photos of our beloved 'rockstar' and his 'backup singer' that appeared recently!!! .) :^) .) Winkle your toes and jingle your nose, was still stuck in 'luxury sex' mode. Now if I could only figure out where I left my sable... KBP PS - 250,000 pounds per year isn't very much to live on. - BF's getting off easier than I would have thought, but then Lucy never was a greedy, nor punitive, girl. Even though she didn't inherit much in terms of money, she did bring BF much prestige and made him an 'invitable' guest among the more gentile class. Lucy Ferry, faults and all, remains a 'class act' and has 'walked out in style'! Now, can we all just get on with life? I like ice cream... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:33 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Whitney To: LottieStreeter2@cs.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Avalon Like Icarus ascending, those beautiful, foolish charms have left a deep singe on BF. Amidst the walking wounded is a difficult reality to face. I think that he married Lucy on the rebound. Believing she represented what he thought he wanted, only to find out it wasn't quite right. Can't by me love, as the Beatles so aptly put it. He may have been in with the in-crowd, Lucy being the ultimate carte blanche in the upper-crust English societal scene, yet it left him wanting. I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the experience of love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship represented to him, the feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It creeps, silent as the grave, into his music and lyrics everywhere. And in his quest to reclaim that idolized love, he searches endlessly, through affairs to try to find it. Desperado! So it obviously makes sense his marriage would end. It was an elaborate charade in defense of unacknowledged subliminal feelings for someone else, his only love. I truly believe this. She left, he buried those feelings. But like a ghost, they resurfaced in everything he did. Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:21:04 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon Karin: > I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the experience of love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship represented to him, the feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It creeps, silent as the grave, into his music and lyrics everywhere. < Even though it was prohibited, last year an interviewer said something like she couldn't help wondering if the Fool for Love lyric "you played me for a fool/you really hurt my pride" wasn't about Jerry Hall, and Bryan replied that it was just a subconscious jumble -- those may even be his exact words. I tend to believe that's true. He seems tired and annoyed when anyone tries to bring the subject to the present tense. One of the last interviews, when asked if they were friends, he said, "I dunno. I never see her," wearily. Like a lot of people, I'm sure, I tend to project things onto Bryan that come from myself, and I know I still pine for some very old flames who have done some unspeakable things to me that my pride should stop me from suffering over. There have been long periods of time when I wouldn't let myself consciously think about them, but it catches up with you. I also write, bad poetry mostly, and what Bryan said about writing being an "subconscious jumble" has certainly been true for me. I can scarcely write anything without it drawing from my collective love experience. Rarely is it ever just about one person. It's like the residue of your relationships roll into this one entity that you write about and wrestle with. So I do think he still writes about her and perhaps others we don't know as well. But then I also know that, at least in my experience, men in general are more pragmatic than women in general about romance. Pride plays a bigger role, and I think a lot of men just find it much easier to say, "Well, she wasn't the one or this wouldn't have happened," and move on. So I still try to credit Bryan with having more sense than me. I'd guess that he expresses nearly all that sentimentality through music and is a bit more pragmatic in day to day life. But with Bryan, there's always the lingering doubt -- or is it hope? XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:26:09 GMT From: cjem@his.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon > From: Karin Whitney > Like Icarus ascending, those beautiful, foolish charms have left a deep singe > on BF. Amidst the walking wounded is a difficult reality to face. > I think that he married Lucy on the rebound. Believing she represented what he > thought he wanted, only to find out it wasn't quite right. Can't by me love, > as the Beatles so aptly put it. He may have been in with the in-crowd, Lucy > being the ultimate carte blanche in the upper-crust English societal scene, > yet it left him wanting. I think the circumstances of the Ferry marriage and divorce are both more complicated than we are and will ever be privy to. In my opinion from this great distance from his life, Mr. Ferry is, at best, an odd duck, and at worst difficult. Both he and Mrs. Ferry have struggled with well-known substance abuse problems. I don't think it's simply a matter of the upper crust not fitting him, for you will note that since the separation he has not renounced his High Street ways. > I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the experience of > love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship represented to him, the > feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It creeps, silent as the grave, into > his music and lyrics everywhere. And in his quest to reclaim that idolized > love, he searches endlessly, through affairs to try to find it. Desperado! So > it obviously makes sense his marriage would end. It was an elaborate charade > in defense of unacknowledged subliminal feelings for someone else, his only > love. I truly believe this. > She left, he buried those feelings. But like a ghost, they resurfaced in > everything he did. I think that it's pretty sad to think that he's so emotionally immature that he is still carrying a huge torch for a woman he himself was mightly ambivalent* towards while he was involved with her, and that this was the catalyst for his marriage breaking up 2 decades later. Colleen *You can read it even in Jerry's own words in her autobiography. I remember a very telling passage where she notes Roxy was going on a tour of Japan or something and he was telling he that he wouldn't really be in touch much since during that time. hardly the behavior of a man who is heads-over-heels. - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from webmail.his.com. http://www.his.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:36:35 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon I think that was very well put, Karin. The feelings "resurfaced in everything he did". I also believe that Jerry is Ferry's "main thing". And maybe his feelings for her inspire his songs. It's a nice thought anyway. Everyone wants to believe that there is a real camelot, or a San Simeon anyway. Heather On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:03:33 -0800, Karin Whitney wrote > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karin Whitney > To: LottieStreeter2@cs.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:03 AM > Subject: Avalon > > Like Icarus ascending, those beautiful, foolish charms have left a > deep singe on BF. Amidst the walking wounded is a difficult reality > to face. I think that he married Lucy on the rebound. Believing she > represented what he thought he wanted, only to find out it wasn't > quite right. Can't by me love, as the Beatles so aptly put it. He > may have been in with the in-crowd, Lucy being the ultimate carte > blanche in the upper-crust English societal scene, yet it left him wanting. > I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the > experience of love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship > represented to him, the feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It > creeps, silent as the grave, into his music and lyrics everywhere. > And in his quest to reclaim that idolized love, he searches > endlessly, through affairs to try to find it. Desperado! So it > obviously makes sense his marriage would end. It was an elaborate charade > in defense of unacknowledged subliminal feelings for someone else, > his only love. I truly believe this. She left, he buried those > feelings. But like a ghost, they resurfaced in everything he did. > > Karin > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:50:38 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry 8@blueyonder.co.uk writes: << 3. WHAT CAN HE NOT LIVE WITHOUT? White pants and T-shirt vests from the American supermarket Kmart. >> The "vest" part I got. Is "white pants" BritspeAk for "tightey-whities"? Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:26 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon and Mamouna! hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk writes: << ......Bittersweet, A Really Good Time (I could go on) >> You will, Doll. You will. R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:55:15 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry > The "vest" part I got. > Is "white pants" BritspeAk for "tightey-whities"? > Regards R Deagle Oh, I hope not! I thought the white underwear controversy from the Roxy tour was put to rest with the expert testimony of Jim Landon speaking knowledgably on the subject of men's corsets! Please leave me to my illusions... Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:00 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon At 05:26 PM 3/17/2003 +0000, cjem@his.com wrote: >> From: Karin Whitney >> I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the experience of >> love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship represented to him, the >> feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It creeps, silent as the grave, >into >> his music and lyrics everywhere. And in his quest to reclaim that idolized >> love, he searches endlessly, through affairs to try to find it. Desperado! So >> it obviously makes sense his marriage would end. It was an elaborate charade >> in defense of unacknowledged subliminal feelings for someone else, his only >> love. I truly believe this. >> She left, he buried those feelings. But like a ghost, they resurfaced in >> everything he did. > >I think that it's pretty sad to think that he's so emotionally immature >that he is still carrying a huge torch for a woman he himself was mightly >ambivalent* towards while he was involved with her, and that this was the >catalyst for his marriage breaking up 2 decades later. I would instead suggest that it's some of Ferry's fans who are still stuck in 1975 carrying that huge torch, often indulging in gross idealization/overidentification, leading to gross oversimplification. Ferry may well idealize love, and apparently is still searching for that beauteous, perfect thing, "just out of reach glowing, very Holy Grail," but I assure you that Jerry Hall's mug is *not* plastered across the shimmery surface of that Holy Mug. later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:10:38 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times - 16 - 3 - 03 - Style - Bryan Ferry >> The "vest" part I got. >> Is "white pants" BritspeAk for "tightey-whities"? >> Regards R Deagle > Oh, I hope not! I thought the white underwear controversy from the Roxy > tour was put to rest with the expert testimony of Jim Landon speaking > knowledgably on the subject of men's corsets! Please leave me to my > illusions... > Paula Ah, but if he had purchased large *quantities* of pants instead of large pants, maybe K-Mart wouldn't be going out of business. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:18:46 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon > Ferry may well idealize love, and apparently is still searching for that beauteous, perfect thing, "just out of reach glowing, very Holy Grail," but I assure you that Jerry Hall's mug is *not* plastered across the shimmery surface of that Holy Mug. later, Miles> Well, I don't know. He liked her mug well enough to order it from a catalog at one time. Any particular reason why you think not? Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:54:14 -0000 From: "Russ Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Dream set list Ok here goes this is one of my dream set lists (to many favourites to fit into one gig LOL) All I want is you If there is something Street Life Its all over now baby blue Beauty Queen Grey Lagoons Would you Believe Sentimental Fool One way love Windswept Stone Woman A fool for love Cruel Boys and Girls All night operator One kiss Party Doll Rock of ages In your mind Lets stick together A hard rains A-Gonna Fall I have to say that I still find that the album In Your Mind is still one of my favourites , I also think Frantic is good (not keen on Goodnight Irene though ). I will be at the NIA on Sunday maybe see some of you there (maybe not as I don't know what you all look like LOL) Anyway have a good one. Russ. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:16:52 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dream set list Here's mine! Paula Hiroshima Sentimental Fool In Every Dream Home a Heartache Both Ends Burning Just Like You You Go to My Head Bittersweet Love Me Madly Can't Let Go No Strange Delight If There is Something Amazona Beauty Queen Strictly Confidential JNHP/Fool for Love A Song for Europe Mother of Pearl - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Brown" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: [AVALON] Dream set list > Ok here goes this is one of my dream set lists (to many favourites to fit into > one gig LOL) > > > > > > All I want is you > > If there is something > > Street Life > > Its all over now baby blue > > Beauty Queen > > Grey Lagoons > > Would you Believe > > Sentimental Fool > > One way love > > Windswept > > Stone Woman > > A fool for love > > Cruel > > Boys and Girls > > All night operator > > One kiss > > Party Doll > > Rock of ages > > In your mind > > Lets stick together > > A hard rains A-Gonna Fall > > > > I have to say that I still find that the album In Your Mind is still one of my > favourites , I also think Frantic is good (not keen on Goodnight Irene though > ). > > I will be at the NIA on Sunday maybe see some of you there (maybe not as I > don't know what you all look like LOL) > > Anyway have a good one. > > > > Russ. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:36:47 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karin Whitney" To: "Paula Brown" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon > Very eloquently put Paula! I'm positive that I project my own relationship > experiences into my viewpoints. But the nature of music is emotional and > leads one to reflect. Love inspires artists to create. I'm sure your poetry > is lovely and you should continue to write. > > My heart is in the right place, > > Karin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paula Brown" > To: "Karin Whitney" ; > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Avalon > > > > Karin: > > > I also believe a silent flame still burns for Jerry Hall or the > experience > > of love he shared with her. Whatever that relationship represented to him, > > the feelings it encompassed, he can't let go. It creeps, silent as the > > grave, into his music and lyrics everywhere. < > > > > > > Even though it was prohibited, last year an interviewer said > > something like she couldn't help wondering if the Fool for Love lyric "you > > played me for a fool/you really hurt my pride" wasn't about Jerry Hall, > and > > Bryan replied that it was just a subconscious jumble -- those may even be > > his exact words. I tend to believe that's true. He seems tired and > annoyed > > when anyone tries to bring the subject to the present tense. One of the > > last interviews, when asked if they were friends, he said, "I dunno. I > > never see her," wearily. > > Like a lot of people, I'm sure, I tend to project things onto Bryan > that > > come from myself, and I know I still pine for some very old flames who > have > > done some unspeakable things to me that my pride should stop me from > > suffering over. There have been long periods of time when I wouldn't let > > myself consciously think about them, but it catches up with you. > > I also write, bad poetry mostly, and what Bryan said about writing > being > > an "subconscious jumble" has certainly been true for me. I can scarcely > > write anything without it drawing from my collective love experience. > > Rarely is it ever just about one person. It's like the residue of your > > relationships roll into this one entity that you write about and wrestle > > with. > > So I do think he still writes about her and perhaps others we don't > know > > as well. But then I also know that, at least in my experience, men in > > general are more pragmatic than women in general about romance. Pride > plays > > a bigger role, and I think a lot of men just find it much easier to say, > > "Well, she wasn't the one or this wouldn't have happened," and move on. > So > > I still try to credit Bryan with having more sense than me. I'd guess > that > > he expresses nearly all that sentimentality through music and is a bit > more > > pragmatic in day to day life. > > > > But with Bryan, there's always the lingering doubt > > -- or is it hope? > > > > XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:52:17 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon and Mamouna! So tell me a story, Richard! Heather On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:26 EST, DEAGLERR wrote > hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk writes: > << ......Bittersweet, A Really Good Time (I could go on) >> > > You will, Doll. > You will. > > R Deagle > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #75 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest