From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #72 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, March 15 2003 Volume 08 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Divorce ["Nigel Hollis" ] RE: [AVALON] divorce? ["Steve Hodson" ] RE: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["eRacerX" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["Heather Buch" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year [cjem@his.com] [AVALON] MOJO MAG: ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Divorce ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Motorcycle mama (of four) ["Theresa Fagan" ] Re: [AVALON] Motorcycle mama (of four) [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["Heather Buch" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish ["mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] Divorce Kevin wrote :- lucy wants 10,000,000. lucys rounded it off . ferry will lose the house ,plus 250,000 for lucy each year as well as the upkeep of his childrens schooling . Well ladies it looks like Mr Ferry is becoming less attractive by the minute - bet young Katie is packing her bags right now. Gents there`s hope for us yet!! N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:18:35 -0000 From: "Steve Hodson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] divorce? > todays sun is covering ferry divorce. > lucy wants 10,000,000. > lucys rounded it off . > ferry will lose the house ,plus 250,000 for lucy each year as well as the > upkeep of > his childrens schooling . > it says ferry worth 30,000,000 not a lot really when you look at other pop > stars? . Poor old Bryan, it'll be hard times for him being down to his last #20,000,000. I would have thought Bryan would be worth more then #30,000,000 as well ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:36:46 -0500 From: "eRacerX" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year I usually don't critique records too much, other than 'I like it' or I don't like it'. I just noticed , though, that I am not playing 'Frantic' much, at all. 'Alphaville' is in the player quite often, however. NP: Rolling Stones- Dear Doctor (Beggars Banquet) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:05:19 EST From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year In a message dated 14/03/03 08:23:37 GMT Standard Time, hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk writes: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:39:13 -0600, Paula Brown wrote > > Frantic is still in heavy rotation with me. I like Frantic > > better than Mamouna, Bete Noir, Avalon, Taxi and ATGB, a LOT better. > > < or > any album ever, can rival Avalon, which I consider a perfect and timeless > album.>> > > Eh, not half as bold as your though, do you honestly think that Avalon is > Roxy's finest album? Why is it Americans love that album so much? Probably > because it is easier to pigeonhole and not as weird as FYP or European > sounding as Stranded (btw was this album ever released in the US, or did no > Roxy/BF fans bother listening to it)? Each to their own and all that, but > to me Avalon is a collection of BF B-sides, give me Frantic any day. > > > JF. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:42:05 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year In my book, "bold" is a complimentary term.....I actually wish I could get more out of Frantic. Heather On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:05:19 EST, JFROXY wrote > In a message dated 14/03/03 08:23:37 GMT Standard Time, > hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk writes: > > > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:39:13 -0600, Paula Brown wrote > > > Frantic is still in heavy rotation with me. I like Frantic > > > better than Mamouna, Bete Noir, Avalon, Taxi and ATGB, a LOT better. > > > > < > or > > any album ever, can rival Avalon, which I consider a perfect and timeless > > album.>> > > > > Eh, not half as bold as your though, do you honestly think that Avalon is > > Roxy's finest album? Why is it Americans love that album so much? Probably > > because it is easier to pigeonhole and not as weird as FYP or European > > sounding as Stranded (btw was this album ever released in the US, or did no > > Roxy/BF fans bother listening to it)? Each to their own and all that, but > > to me Avalon is a collection of BF B-sides, give me Frantic any day. > > > > > > JF. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:48:13 GMT From: cjem@his.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year > From: JFROXY@aol.com > Eh, not half as bold as your though, do you honestly think that Avalon is > Roxy's finest album? Why is it Americans love that album so much? Probably > because it is easier to pigeonhole and not as weird as FYP or European > sounding as Stranded (btw was this album ever released in the US, or did no It is probably because we unsophisticated lot of Americans also couldn't understand their accents or decipher the spelling on the liner notes. I would write more, but y'all will have to excuse me for it's time for us here in the trailer park to gather to spit and drink beer right out the can. Colleen Jean - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from webmail.his.com. http://www.his.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:19:19 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] MOJO MAG: For UK readers, the April Edition of MOJO has feature called "Adventures in HI-FI, Gtreat Records and how they happened", this month it's Roxy Music. Secondly while all you lucky folks were "wooping it up" in Amsterdam, I took it upon myself to keep an eye/ear out for alll things Roxy and came up with the following: Saturday Radio 2 Richard Allison had Manifesto as his Classic(!) album. The Mail on Sunday reviewed Bryans London show and gave it 5 stars! Finally "Casualty" episode was called "Fool For Love" Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:30:29 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year >Frantic didn't make much of an impression on me. And I also feel > that on the whole it sounds nothing like Ferry.< It sounds like seventies Ferry, pre Avalon. >Why Marilyn anyway? She is just to mainstream to be a "Ferry girl."< Ferry has huge pictures of Marilyn on the wall of his London home, at least according to one interviewer. They have a lot in common and I think he doesn't so much covet her as empathize with her. They're both famous, they're both loved at least partially for an illusion, they're both major sex symbols, and they both suffer(ed) a lot emotionally. I think he probably did most of the lyrics on Goddess of Love, but the music sounds very Dave Stewart, though Ferry has been known to inject dance flavor before. > Personally, I think San Simeon is a little too worldly for Ferry to write about.< San Simeon is right up Bryan's alley. It's heartbreakingly glamorous and riddled with ghosts. It's part of his dream. There are many facets to Bryan Ferry, and I think it's wonderful that for every one of them, there are a horde of avid fans! XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:35:03 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Divorce > Well ladies it looks like Mr Ferry is becoming less attractive by the minute - > Gents there`s hope for us yet!! Oh, is THAT what's been stopping all you guys from stepping up to the plate? Well, I'm glad we have that sorted. XXX, Paula P.S. Anyone who thinks money is the most attractive thing about Bryan is overlooking 99 percent of his most beckoning assets. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:43:42 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year > > Eh, not half as bold as your though, do you honestly think that Avalon is Roxy's finest album? Why is it Americans love that album so much?< I guess I will have to confuse the issue here and point out that I am American but not a big Avalon fan, prefer early RM and BF and Frantic, just to break the stereotype. I think it has more to do with age, actually. The people who aren't quite as -- uh -- seasoned as me probably came to RM close to the Avalon release and that's their era and they, therefore, like it more, as I like the era when I first discovered RM best. Nothing to fret about. I'm just glad Avalon has been such a big $$ boon for Bryan, because being a subculture (glam) artist hasn't traditionally brought in the big bucks. I wouldn't normally care if the artist got mega$$ or not, but it's a big component of Bryan's dream, and I love Bryan, and I want him to have that, and he has done, largely due to Avalon. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:19:36 -0500 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: [AVALON] Motorcycle mama (of four) In the February issue of UK mamgazine Tatler, there's a photo spread about ladies that are devotees of Manolo Blahnik's shoes. Lucy Ferry has a double page picture astride a motorcycle, shod in pink satin Manolos. - --TriTri ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:01:26 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Motorcycle mama (of four) TriTri writes: << In the February issue of UK mamgazine Tatler, there's a photo spread about ladies that are devotees of Manolo Blahnik's shoes. Lucy Ferry has a double page picture astride a motorcycle, shod in pink satin Manolos.>> The pink pumps will match her road-rash when she wipes out, no? Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:02:00 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year In a message dated 3/14/03 8:36:41 AM, eracerx@adelphia.net writes: << I just noticed , though, that I am not playing 'Frantic' much, at all. 'Alphaville' is in the player quite often, however. >> I totally agree! BTW, someone gave me a Keb' Mo' cd, if Ferry's "Irene", Goin' Down or the Dylan covers were in that sort of blues direction, maybe they'd work for me. Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:28:49 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year OK, I realized that most of my listening to Frantic has been late at night, while doing the dishes - not an optimal audio experience. So tonight I listened while baking (hey, at least the water wasn't running). On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:30:29 -0600, Paula Brown wrote > > > It [Frantic] sounds like seventies Ferry, pre Avalon. Well, ok, San Simeon certainly does. It reminds me a lot of "In Every Dream Home A Heartache". > > >Why Marilyn anyway? She is just to mainstream to be a "Ferry girl."< > > Ferry has huge pictures of Marilyn on the wall of his London home, > at least according to one interviewer. They have a lot in common > and I think he doesn't so much covet her as empathize with her. That makes sense. That empathy came through and reminded me of Elton John's tribute, emphasising the tragedy of her life. > They're both famous, they're both loved at least partially for an > illusion, they're both major sex symbols, and they both suffer(ed) a > lot emotionally. > > > Personally, I think San Simeon is a little too worldly for Ferry to write > about.< > > San Simeon is right up Bryan's alley. It's heartbreakingly > glamorous and riddled with ghosts. It's part of his dream. I listened to Frantic three times tonight, and it is growing on me. It's not a one-dimensional album. It's both bluesy and rootsy and "down" (Goin' Down, Goodnight Irene, Don't think Twice), and pretentious and highbrow and glam (San Simeon, Goddess of Love, Hiroshima). This album also feels very "American" to me, but in a nostalgic way that also gives a sense of lost splendor and epic misfortune - the epic tragedy of Hiroshima, the forgotten dreams of San Simeoen, Marilyn. Thanks for your comments, Paula! Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:39:05 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year >This album also feels very "American" to me, but in a nostalgic way that also gives a sense of lost splendor and epic misfortune - the epic tragedy of Hiroshima, the forgotten dreams of San Simeoen, Marilyn. Thanks for your comments, Paula! Heather< I love the way you put that, "epic misfortune." Good way to describe it. Ferry did come out and say San Simeon was unused Dream Home lyrics, but there has always been debate whether that's really true or just what the old fans want to hear. It certainly seems like its cousin though, doesn't it? I hope Ferry will write a Dream Home or San Simeon about his estate sometime, especially if he ends up having to sell it. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:19:35 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish first - from paula brown: >"Man Has Sex With Road Cone." So there you have it. oh - so sorry. that still doesn't beat "mother loses twins in poker game." nice try, though. :^) from martin stockman: >Much as I admire the professorial onstage charms of Colin Good I do >blame him for the lack of edge on the last two official albums. i would also assume that this must be the case. time to clean house & open the windows a little, mr. ferry! <-----Original Message-----> From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >Now that the sands of time have passed and Frantic is just another album in >the canon that will come out at random [cut] this, unfortunately, is the way i feel about 'frantic' on the whole. >I find that most of 'Frantic could have had another vocalist on top and you >would never have thought it had anything to do with Ferry. you mentioned this in chicago, i think, john. i freely admit i hadn't thought of it in that way, but i believe you've put the finger on it. it's just so non-ferryesque. i just don't get it; it seems almost unrecognizable, overall. >This album is not a progression from 'Mamouna' his last album of originals, >he removed any linear direction by doing As Time Goes By which was a complete >departure from where we assumed he was at the time. frankly, i think he removed "any linear direction" by just taking so long inbetween albums. that, and running into colin good. i hope the future's a little brighter. new material/tour-wise; in short, altogether. ms _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:04:21 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish >first - from paula brown: "Man Has Sex With Road Cone." So there you have it.< > Mark Shanahan: > oh - so sorry. that still doesn't beat "mother loses twins in poker > game." nice try, though. :^) Well, if I were writing the tabloids, I'd up the ante with "Man Has Sex with Twin Road Cones Mother Lost in Poker Game." But as you know, those of us who are truly talented are always overlooked in favor of more mainstream writers. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:27:35 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish I always had a soft spot in my heart for the National Inquirer's 70s headline: EXPERT'S STARTLING THEORY! Kennedy assignation could have been prevented by exorcism. Lee Harvey Oswald under influence of Devil. Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #72 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest