From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #71 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] divorce? ["Routley" ] [AVALON] Oslo Tree ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] RE: [AVALON] divorce? ["Steve Hodson" ] Re: [AVALON] divorce? ["Routley" ] RE: [AVALON] divorce? ["Steve Hodson" ] [AVALON] Oslo Sept 6 2002. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish ["Philip Adams" ] Re: [AVALON] divorce? ["Paula Brown" ] Fw: [AVALON] divorce? ["Paula Brown" ] RE: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (with a bullet...) ["Chris Turner" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:11:56 -0000 From: "Routley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] divorce? - -----Original Message----- From:kevin To: Avalonlijst Date: 09 March 2003 20:40 Subject: [AVALON]divorce? todays sun is covering ferry divorce. lucy wants 10,000,000. lucys rounded it off . ferry will lose the house ,plus 250,000 for lucy each year as well as the upkeep of his childrens schooling . it says ferry worth 30,000,000 not a lot really when you look at other pop stars? looks like ferry will have to tour til hes in his ninties... > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:49:51 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Oslo Tree Thanks to Stefan I can now offer the above discs, usual rules apply. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:39:35 -0000 From: "Steve Hodson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] divorce? Don't they give a free bag of salt with 'The Sun', so as you can take a pinch with every story . > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Routley > Sent: 13 March 2003 14:12 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] divorce? > > > -----Original Message----- > From:kevin > To: Avalonlijst > Date: 09 March 2003 20:40 > Subject: [AVALON]divorce? > > > > todays sun is covering ferry divorce. > lucy wants 10,000,000. > lucys rounded it off . > ferry will lose the house ,plus 250,000 for lucy each year as well as the > upkeep of > his childrens schooling . > it says ferry worth 30,000,000 not a lot really when you look at other pop > stars? > looks like ferry will have to tour til hes in his ninties... > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > __________ > >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:02:44 -0000 From: "Routley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] divorce? - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: Avalon Date: 13 March 2003 15.17 Subject: RE: [AVALON] divorce? >Don't they give a free bag of salt with 'The Sun', so as you can take a >pinch with every story . > >> lets wait and see whos right and who,s wrong? as for the sun how about storys in hello daily mail the star news of the world the mirror never see any salt in those clever boy ? >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> __________ >> >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >> >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> _________ >> To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:27:02 -0000 From: "Steve Hodson" Subject: RE: [AVALON] divorce? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Routley > Sent: 13 March 2003 16:03 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] divorce? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin > To: Avalon > Date: 13 March 2003 15.17 > Subject: RE: [AVALON] divorce? > > > >Don't they give a free bag of salt with 'The Sun', so as you can take a > >pinch with every story . > > > >> lets wait and see whos right and who,s wrong? > as for the sun how about storys in > hello > daily mail > the star > news of the world > the mirror > never see any salt in those clever boy ? Wouldn't know i don't read the tabloids,bit of a newspaper snob i'm afraid. Wasn't being personal old boy about your choice of 'paper',as it happens the Sun are probably right, it seems the Sun excels on celebrity gossip,it's just in the actual news department they're left wanting,of course the same goes for the other wonderful publicatications you mention.. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:19:57 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Oslo Sept 6 2002. Oslo tree now closed, I will contact successful recipients tomorrow. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:47:29 +0100 From: "Carien Overdijk" Subject: [AVALON] raffle Four AMA2-raffletickets lie here on my desk, looking at me, wondering if they represent a prize... After your announcement, Jocelyn, that not-claimed prizes would be put on this list, at 1.30 hrs. I gave in to an overwhelming sleepiness and hit the road towards my softly stuffed eiderdown, some 50 km. away... If There Is Something, I mean something left of these fab memorabilia, I'm sure everyone who left early is dying to know if their tickets are any good... Not that I'm complaining. I won one cd before I left!! I couldn't find any announcements on the list or on Strandpower.com, but maybe I and others wistful ticket-owners should look elsewhere? Carien (Dutch Brybranche) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:19:57 -0000 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish Martin Stockman wrote :- > > > Against my better judgement, and I take your point about soft rock, > curiously I do prefer the Frantic "Fool For Love". It's such a great song. > God only knows what Trower would gave done with it. I feel this is an unfavourable comment but I'm not sure . Martin , can you clarify? For me "Frantic" is just too all over the place to be a complete Ferry album. J O'Brien's comments are quite apt and I'm tempted to call this album Ferry-lite. That's not to say I don't like it - it has some great Ferry moments and I like the idea of him experimenting - on covers like Goin' Down and Goodnight Irene he comes across as the mature artist he is. ( the Ferry experiments though are much better on Alphaville). I never did get round to re-shuffling the running order of "frantic" as it could flow better. For now , the disc sits uneasily with the Ferry cannon. welcome , nonetheless and I welcome too his high profile after many years of relative obscurity. Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:21:51 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish Some good points raised. I suppose its all down to the individuals point of view. Personally I still consider Frantic to be one of the better.........if not.........the best solo album to date.......I think it has Ferry's style stamped all over it. It is a great mixture of ballads and R+B and good pop. I have always considered TAXI to be the most unlike Ferry album...a terrible effort.........a stop gap.....no life no soul, rather just a bland torrid affair that murmurs on from track to track, unlike Frantic it has no peaks, no feel good factor, no depth. I also alike the track layout on Frantic perfectly placed tracks. in fact "Practically,Perfect in Everyway". If his next effort is half as good I for one will be a very happy guy. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish > It's been almost a year since Frantic was released. I think it's hard to be > honest about what you think of a new album when it is just released. It is > fresh and exciting as it is full of new music and lyrics to get used and > therefore we can have a distorted view of how good it really is. > > Now that the sands of time have passed and Frantic is just another album in > the canon that will come out at random and be played with everything on it as > familiar as Avalon or For Your Pleasure. > > My overall view of Frantic is that for the most part it doesn't sound like a > Ferry album. I am not one for dissecting lyrics etc to make up my mind on an > album. The 'sound' of the album by Ferry or any artist is what draws me > initially. I have found that most of Ferry/Roxy's music sounds like > Ferry/Roxy, you don't need Bryan's voice on it to know who's record it is. I > find that most of 'Frantic could have had another vocalist on top and you > would never have thought it had anything to do with Ferry. Take the 'Taxi' > album for example, all songs written by other people but each track still > sounds like a Ferry track. I Put A Spell On You has Ferry written all over it > long before Bryan's vocal entrance. Rescue Me and a few others are in the > same category. I remember reading the track listing for Taxi somewhere before > the album was released and couldn't imagine how Bryan would do a lot of the > songs but wasn't surprised how they sounded when I did hear them, that's > Ferry for you. > > I find that the only songs on Frantic that would sound like a Ferry tracks > without any vocals on it are Hiroshima & San Simeon. > > Goddess Of Love is very much a Eurythmics track, imagine Annie Lennox singing > on top instead of Bryan. Fool For Love sounds like it could have been done by > most soft rock bands (heaven forbid). Goin' Down sounds like Dire Straits > meets Chris Rea incognito as a pub band. > > I think overall this was what Bryan was trying to achieve on this album from > the interviews I have read with him talking about the album, a back to basics > approach. > > This album is not a progression from 'Mamouna' his last album of originals, > he removed any linear direction by doing As Time Goes By which was a complete > departure from where we assumed he was at the time. Bryan might have felt > that the 'Ferry' sound was no longer commercial and that's why he stripped a > lot of 'Ferryisms' off that were on the Alphaville versions. > > I think most of the Alphaville versions of the Frantic tracks sound more like > Ferry than the Frantic versions. Nobody Loves Me, Cruel & A Fool For Love are > the best examples of that and maybe that is why I prefer the original > versions. > > So 1 year on I find Frantic an OK album with some high points for me and some > tracks I am not in a rush to play. Like all of Bryan's work I play some > albums more than others and will enjoy Frantic every time I play it but wont > play it as often as some others. > > J.O'B. (with obviously nothing better to do) > > N.P. Bryan Ferry 'The Eurythmics Medlay' > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:39:13 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year Frantic is still in heavy rotation with me. I like Frantic better than Mamouna, Bete Noir, Avalon, Taxi and ATGB, a LOT better. I often like songs off those albums better live than on the album. For example, the studio Bete Noir (the cut) just went right under my radar, made no impression on me at all, but I'm passionate about the live version on an e.p. I have. I thought Avalon was the first album Bryan made a sharp departure and didn't sound as much like himself. I think Frantic has some moments reminiscent of Bride, though it is a very mixed bag. I could do without the Dylan covers, especially BB. I think the songs on Frantic sound much better than the same songs on Alphaville, which was unfinished and sounds it. I agree about Goddess of Love sounding like Stewart, though I can't say I've listened to much of Stewart to really know. It wasn't my genre. I think JNHP/Fool for Love is the best cut Ferry has done in years. I thought Hiroshima was a wonderful departure for him and it doesn't remind me of anything else he's ever done. I regard Nobody Loves Me as very similar to but not as strong as FfL, but it has held its own over time to be one of my favorites on the album. Cruel was another departure for Bryan which I enjoyed. Apparently I'm the only person who really enjoys Goin Down, which I absolutely hated in its original version. Like probably most of you, I too basically like to think cowriters simply dilute Ferry, but whatever he has to do to create what he wants to create is something I will accept, since he undoubtedly knows his limitations better than I do. All this certainly serves to point out exactly why Ferry can never seem to entirely please even one person with a setlist and why it must be diverse, since presumably it's too late for him to retrospectively create a third identity: Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry, and Avalonian and tour those all separately. I better shut up, I'll give him ideas..... The other Roxy/Ferry that is currently in heavy rotation with me and has been all year is Country Life. I like it more now than I ever did. I find it very exciting now. It's aged well, sounds great live too. XXX, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:59:12 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] divorce? > todays sun is covering ferry divorce. > lucy wants 10,000,000. Okay, I'm confused. Doesn't Lucy supposedly have her own money, and if not, what is all this continual crap from the press about her being better than him and all that? Because no offense to anybody, but I just always assumed that was because she was from old money since I can see no other discernable way in which it applies. So shouldn't HE be suing HER or something? Or call it even? I see in the article, he does state they didn't break up because of his affair. Glad he finally got that out. He's been saying the past couple of interviews that he feels somewhat wronged. I guess he's too proud and private to come completely out with it. I only hope he doesn't hold back with the judge or whoever you go before there. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:08:02 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] divorce? > Don't they give a free bag of salt with 'The Sun', so as you can take a pinch with every story .< The same day they posted the first round of Katie/Bryan photos, one of their other major headlines was (I'm not kidding) "Man Has Sex With Road Cone." So there you have it. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:33:28 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (with a bullet...) Philip Adams wrote: "...the disc (Frantic) sits uneasily with the Ferry cannon." It's obviously not the right, ahem, 'calibre' then, is it? Chris PS: I'll be happy to explain this joke to any Sun readers present. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] UNCLAIMED AMA2 RAFFLE PRIZES - --- Carien Overdijk wrote: > Four AMA2-raffletickets lie here on my desk, looking > at me, wondering if they > represent a prize...>>> Hi Carien, happy to oblige - sorry it's late, has been a rather busy few days catching up on everything after all the madness of AMA2. From the hastily scrawled notes in front of me, the unclaimed prizes and ticket numbers were : - ------------------------------ 'The Only Face' Bryan Ferry CD - Ticket 352 Phil Manzanera Monogrammed Plectrum - Ticket 34 Siren T-Shirt SIGNED by Phil Manzanera - Ticket 354 Viva ! Roxy Music Press Info Sheet (from USA Atco Records) including Group Picture personally SIGNED by The Great Paul Thompson - Ticket 300 'Hollywood 94' Bryan Ferry CD - Ticket 145 'Manchester 2002' Bryan Ferry Double CD - Ticket 68 1 x Lucy Wilkins large Stage Pic from Madison Square Garden, New York 23rd July 2001, Roxy Music Tour, together with AMA2 Ticket both personally SIGNED by Lucy Wilkins - Ticket 408 - ------------------------------------ ... and that's it. The rest were snapped up. Anyone got them ? - let me know. If no-one finds the tickets and claims, then all the above prizes will be put aside for the Raffle at AMA3. Ermm, that'll be in a little while, ok ? Reecey... Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:22:46 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - 1 year On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:39:13 -0600, Paula Brown wrote > Frantic is still in heavy rotation with me. I like Frantic > better than Mamouna, Bete Noir, Avalon, Taxi and ATGB, a LOT better. Man, that is a bold statement. Personally, I don't think any Roxy album, or any album ever, can rival Avalon, which I consider a perfect and timeless album. But ok. We are talking Frantic now. Personally, Frantic didn't make much of an impression on me. And I also feel that on the whole it sounds nothing like Ferry. It just sort of jumps in your face when it opens with Baby Blue, which sounds jangly, like an 80's college-rock REM-type song. It's a huge shock for me and it makes me feel like Ferry is trying to test his audience. Will we accept grunge from Ferry? Goddess of Love is a nice song, but the lyrics aren't convincing. Besides, Elton John has already done an homage to Marilyn. Why Marilyn anyway? She is just to mainstream to be a "Ferry girl." An homage to Bergman or Audrey Hepburn would have been more convincing. A song about Marilyn is like those gift shops on Hollywood blvd, it's what everyone expects. And the GOL lyrics are also too objective. He is dictating a documentary about a sexy woman, not a personal war story from a distraught suitor, as with "If There is Something" or "Mother of Pearl." GOL just doesn't have the drama, or the noir of Mamouma, which I consider to be a very hollywood-golden-age-inspired album. San Simeon is pretty. But coming from California, is just reminds me of tourist brochures and the little girl that I used to play with when I was 9, who always talked about her trip to San Simeon. Personally, I think San Simeon is a little too worldly for Ferry to write about. So all in all I find Frantic a bit too down to earth for Ferry. It just doesn't spark my imagination. Heather > I often like songs off those albums better live than on the album. > For example, the studio Bete Noir (the cut) just went right under my > radar, made no impression on me at all, but I'm passionate about the > live version on an e.p. I have. I thought Avalon was the first > album Bryan made a sharp departure and didn't sound as much like > himself. I think Frantic has some moments reminiscent of Bride, > though it is a very mixed bag. I could do without the Dylan covers, > especially BB. I think the songs on Frantic sound much better > than the same songs on Alphaville, which was unfinished and sounds > it. I agree about Goddess of Love sounding like Stewart, though I > can't say I've listened to much of Stewart to really know. It > wasn't my genre. I think JNHP/Fool for Love is the best cut Ferry > has done in years. I thought Hiroshima was a wonderful departure > for him and it doesn't remind me of anything else he's ever done. I > regard Nobody Loves Me as very similar to but not as strong as FfL, > but it has held its own over time to be one of my favorites on the > album. Cruel was another departure for Bryan which I enjoyed. > Apparently I'm the only person who really enjoys Goin Down, which I > absolutely hated in its original version. Like probably most of > you, I too basically like to think cowriters simply dilute Ferry, > but whatever he has to do to create what he wants to create is > something I will accept, since he undoubtedly knows his limitations better > than I do. > All this certainly serves to point out exactly why Ferry can > never seem to entirely please even one person with a setlist and why > it must be diverse, since presumably it's too late for him to > retrospectively create a third identity: Roxy Music, Bryan Ferry, > and Avalonian and tour those all separately. I better shut up, I'll > give him ideas..... The other Roxy/Ferry that is currently in > heavy rotation with me and has been all year is Country Life. I > like it more now than I ever did. I find it very exciting now. > It's aged well, sounds great live too. > > XXX, Paula > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #71 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest