From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #70 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 13 2003 Volume 08 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] AMA2 ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] [none] ["karin verboom" ] [AVALON] Northampton ticket ["Terry Lane" ] [AVALON] AMA2 [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:31:13 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: [AVALON] AMA2 What more can I add to what has already been written? It's been a fabulous night with a great set by RM/RM, who really impressed me, sound- and setlist-wise, and of course meeting a whole bunch of Avalonians for the first (but hopefully not the last) time. It's a great thing to be able to share the enthusiasm and passion we have for the music of RM & BF. However, I didn't win a raffle prize, though sometimes, I was rather close to it... Next time is the best time, we all know... Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:40:20 +0100 (West-Europa (standaardtijd)) From: "karin verboom" Subject: [none] This is for Linn!!! please contact me offlist, lost your e-mailadresse!! = i ve got the book i promised for you=0D karin [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:32:31 +0000 From: "Terry Lane" Subject: [AVALON] Northampton ticket Hi folks, Do any of you guys know anybody with a spare ticket for Ferry`s gig at the Derngate in Northampton? E-mail me off list if you can help prada5700@hotmail.com Cheers Terry _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:52:18 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] AMA2 Congratulations,Jocelyn,Johnny and Remake/Remodel,it seems to have been such a success and every one sounds as if they had a lovely time,so can we expect A Mad Affair every year on Johnny's birthday? JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:46:30 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish It's been almost a year since Frantic was released. I think it's hard to be honest about what you think of a new album when it is just released. It is fresh and exciting as it is full of new music and lyrics to get used and therefore we can have a distorted view of how good it really is. Now that the sands of time have passed and Frantic is just another album in the canon that will come out at random and be played with everything on it as familiar as Avalon or For Your Pleasure. My overall view of Frantic is that for the most part it doesn't sound like a Ferry album. I am not one for dissecting lyrics etc to make up my mind on an album. The 'sound' of the album by Ferry or any artist is what draws me initially. I have found that most of Ferry/Roxy's music sounds like Ferry/Roxy, you don't need Bryan's voice on it to know who's record it is. I find that most of 'Frantic could have had another vocalist on top and you would never have thought it had anything to do with Ferry. Take the 'Taxi' album for example, all songs written by other people but each track still sounds like a Ferry track. I Put A Spell On You has Ferry written all over it long before Bryan's vocal entrance. Rescue Me and a few others are in the same category. I remember reading the track listing for Taxi somewhere before the album was released and couldn't imagine how Bryan would do a lot of the songs but wasn't surprised how they sounded when I did hear them, that's Ferry for you. I find that the only songs on Frantic that would sound like a Ferry tracks without any vocals on it are Hiroshima & San Simeon. Goddess Of Love is very much a Eurythmics track, imagine Annie Lennox singing on top instead of Bryan. Fool For Love sounds like it could have been done by most soft rock bands (heaven forbid). Goin' Down sounds like Dire Straits meets Chris Rea incognito as a pub band. I think overall this was what Bryan was trying to achieve on this album from the interviews I have read with him talking about the album, a back to basics approach. This album is not a progression from 'Mamouna' his last album of originals, he removed any linear direction by doing As Time Goes By which was a complete departure from where we assumed he was at the time. Bryan might have felt that the 'Ferry' sound was no longer commercial and that's why he stripped a lot of 'Ferryisms' off that were on the Alphaville versions. I think most of the Alphaville versions of the Frantic tracks sound more like Ferry than the Frantic versions. Nobody Loves Me, Cruel & A Fool For Love are the best examples of that and maybe that is why I prefer the original versions. So 1 year on I find Frantic an OK album with some high points for me and some tracks I am not in a rush to play. Like all of Bryan's work I play some albums more than others and will enjoy Frantic every time I play it but wont play it as often as some others. J.O'B. (with obviously nothing better to do) N.P. Bryan Ferry 'The Eurythmics Medlay' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:17:12 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Set Lists The set list for tonight's show in Portsmouth has just been added to vivaroxymusic.com I notice that 8 shows into the 20 date UK tour that the only additions/changes to the set list from the October 2002 dates are songs that Bryan had done in the summer dates. Goodnight Irene is an exception to that. I hope that something new will come in at the remaining shows, something he hasn't played live for a long time ore even something he has never played at all. If there are to be no new songs then maybe even if they did 'Don't Stop The Dance' as it was done in USA and Japan but not in the UK leg of this tour. You never know someone might read this and say to Bryan "..... I was just thinking Bryan maybe we should do Don't Stop The Dance as we only did it in USA...." J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:11:26 -0500 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish John: Found your post very insightful. Interesting that As Time Goes By was commercially quite successful while Frantic has seen only marginal success in the marketplace. Even Bryan has been quoted as saying he wished Frantic's sales had been stronger. Wouldn't we love to know Bryan's thoughts re. his upcoming studio work? Cheers, Maggie >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:46:30 EST > >It's been almost a year since Frantic was released. I think it's hard to be >honest about what you think of a new album when it is just released. It is >fresh and exciting as it is full of new music and lyrics to get used and >therefore we can have a distorted view of how good it really is. > >Now that the sands of time have passed and Frantic is just another album in >the canon that will come out at random and be played with everything on it >as >familiar as Avalon or For Your Pleasure. > >My overall view of Frantic is that for the most part it doesn't sound like >a >Ferry album. I am not one for dissecting lyrics etc to make up my mind on >an >album. The 'sound' of the album by Ferry or any artist is what draws me >initially. I have found that most of Ferry/Roxy's music sounds like >Ferry/Roxy, you don't need Bryan's voice on it to know who's record it is. >I >find that most of 'Frantic could have had another vocalist on top and you >would never have thought it had anything to do with Ferry. Take the 'Taxi' >album for example, all songs written by other people but each track still >sounds like a Ferry track. I Put A Spell On You has Ferry written all over >it >long before Bryan's vocal entrance. Rescue Me and a few others are in the >same category. I remember reading the track listing for Taxi somewhere >before >the album was released and couldn't imagine how Bryan would do a lot of the >songs but wasn't surprised how they sounded when I did hear them, that's >Ferry for you. > >I find that the only songs on Frantic that would sound like a Ferry tracks >without any vocals on it are Hiroshima & San Simeon. > >Goddess Of Love is very much a Eurythmics track, imagine Annie Lennox >singing >on top instead of Bryan. Fool For Love sounds like it could have been done >by >most soft rock bands (heaven forbid). Goin' Down sounds like Dire Straits >meets Chris Rea incognito as a pub band. > >I think overall this was what Bryan was trying to achieve on this album >from >the interviews I have read with him talking about the album, a back to >basics >approach. > >This album is not a progression from 'Mamouna' his last album of originals, >he removed any linear direction by doing As Time Goes By which was a >complete >departure from where we assumed he was at the time. Bryan might have felt >that the 'Ferry' sound was no longer commercial and that's why he stripped >a >lot of 'Ferryisms' off that were on the Alphaville versions. > >I think most of the Alphaville versions of the Frantic tracks sound more >like >Ferry than the Frantic versions. Nobody Loves Me, Cruel & A Fool For Love >are >the best examples of that and maybe that is why I prefer the original >versions. > >So 1 year on I find Frantic an OK album with some high points for me and >some >tracks I am not in a rush to play. Like all of Bryan's work I play some >albums more than others and will enjoy Frantic every time I play it but >wont >play it as often as some others. > >J.O'B. (with obviously nothing better to do) > >N.P. Bryan Ferry 'The Eurythmics Medlay' > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:24:48 -0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish All insightful stuff, and fairly spot on, Although I think we should be careful with equating "What Avalonions like" with what the record-buying public might shell out for. Obviously the less accessible, more avant garde sound of Mamouna and Alphaville are less radio friendly than, say, Goddess of Love. Much as I admire the professorial onstage charms of Colin Good I do blame him for the lack of edge on the last two official albums. Even San Simeon on Frantic, which Jock cites as having a Ferry soundscape, is a plastic rose, babe, The Great Gatsby as a made-for-TV movie, compared with the sprawling gothic wonder on Alphaville. Against my better judgement, and I take your point about soft rock, curiously I do prefer the Frantic "Fool For Love". It's such a great song. God only knows what Trower would gave done with it. Pip Pip Martino - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Maggie Curran Sent: 13 March 2003 05:11 To: OBrienFerry@aol.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish John: Found your post very insightful. Interesting that As Time Goes By was commercially quite successful while Frantic has seen only marginal success in the marketplace. Even Bryan has been quoted as saying he wished Frantic's sales had been stronger. Wouldn't we love to know Bryan's thoughts re. his upcoming studio work? Cheers, Maggie >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Frantic 1 year on (Medium/Long post) ish >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:46:30 EST > >It's been almost a year since Frantic was released. I think it's hard to be >honest about what you think of a new album when it is just released. It is >fresh and exciting as it is full of new music and lyrics to get used and >therefore we can have a distorted view of how good it really is. > >Now that the sands of time have passed and Frantic is just another album in >the canon that will come out at random and be played with everything on it >as >familiar as Avalon or For Your Pleasure. > >My overall view of Frantic is that for the most part it doesn't sound like >a >Ferry album. I am not one for dissecting lyrics etc to make up my mind on >an >album. The 'sound' of the album by Ferry or any artist is what draws me >initially. I have found that most of Ferry/Roxy's music sounds like >Ferry/Roxy, you don't need Bryan's voice on it to know who's record it is. >I >find that most of 'Frantic could have had another vocalist on top and you >would never have thought it had anything to do with Ferry. Take the 'Taxi' >album for example, all songs written by other people but each track still >sounds like a Ferry track. I Put A Spell On You has Ferry written all over >it >long before Bryan's vocal entrance. Rescue Me and a few others are in the >same category. I remember reading the track listing for Taxi somewhere >before >the album was released and couldn't imagine how Bryan would do a lot of the >songs but wasn't surprised how they sounded when I did hear them, that's >Ferry for you. > >I find that the only songs on Frantic that would sound like a Ferry tracks >without any vocals on it are Hiroshima & San Simeon. > >Goddess Of Love is very much a Eurythmics track, imagine Annie Lennox >singing >on top instead of Bryan. Fool For Love sounds like it could have been done >by >most soft rock bands (heaven forbid). Goin' Down sounds like Dire Straits >meets Chris Rea incognito as a pub band. > >I think overall this was what Bryan was trying to achieve on this album >from >the interviews I have read with him talking about the album, a back to >basics >approach. > >This album is not a progression from 'Mamouna' his last album of originals, >he removed any linear direction by doing As Time Goes By which was a >complete >departure from where we assumed he was at the time. Bryan might have felt >that the 'Ferry' sound was no longer commercial and that's why he stripped >a >lot of 'Ferryisms' off that were on the Alphaville versions. > >I think most of the Alphaville versions of the Frantic tracks sound more >like >Ferry than the Frantic versions. Nobody Loves Me, Cruel & A Fool For Love >are >the best examples of that and maybe that is why I prefer the original >versions. > >So 1 year on I find Frantic an OK album with some high points for me and >some >tracks I am not in a rush to play. Like all of Bryan's work I play some >albums more than others and will enjoy Frantic every time I play it but >wont >play it as often as some others. > >J.O'B. (with obviously nothing better to do) > >N.P. Bryan Ferry 'The Eurythmics Medlay' > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:16:26 +0100 From: Robert Vinkenborg Subject: [AVALON] Remake What a great night in Amsterdam. My compliments to the and the organizors, Sorry I missed the Rafflem, got to find my lotery - tickets. Anayways for a great night, we never forget. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #70 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest