From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #57 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, February 28 2003 Volume 08 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me ["Dave Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay [Gal410@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Fw: She Sells, He Sells, We Sell, They Sell..... ["Karin Whitney] [AVALON] Fw: the daily grind ["Karin Whitney" ] [AVALON] "Slave to love" in Polanski film ["Martin Wilkinson" ] [AVALON] Luke Cresswell ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] : Alphaville on Ebay ["eRacerX" ] [AVALON] London show ["M" ] [AVALON] Re: surreal Roxy moments (was Take a Chance With Me) ["Keith Sho] Re: [AVALON] Just Another High ["Heather Buch" ] [AVALON] Casanova was Just Another High [Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me > J.O'B. said......... > Back to TACWM, the intro for me is Roxy Music (the album) 10 years on. If > Bryan and co had 10 years recording experience etc in 1972 this is how many > of the instrumental passages on the debut album would have sounded. I could > listen to that intro if it was 45 minutes long........... Couldn't agree more, J.O'B.. There are certain snippets of certain songs which cause me to shiver. A sound causing a physical effect can be a little strange, I know, but it happens. Examples; the synth. solo in Editions of you; the repeated piano chords in the middle eight of 'Beauty Queen'; the backing vocals and Andy Mac's sax in 'Bitters End'; the pain and frustration in BF's voice in 'Your Painted Smile'; the latter part of Manzo's solo in 'Amazona'; the dreamy atmospherics in 'Boys and Girls'; the intro to 'The Main Thing'; the fuzz guitar in the intro to 'Sentimental Fool'; (..........I could go on all day long...........) and, most certainly, the intro to 'Take A Chance With Me'. None of this could mean a thing to many of you guys. If it does, which bits of RM/BF send a shiver down your spine ? Dave. NP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:28:15 -0600 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me >If it does, which bits of RM/BF send a shiver down your spine ? Going chronologically: Eno's revved-up synths in "Beauty Queen" roughly 98% of "Editions of You" -- but particularly Ferry's vocals on "in modern times the modern way-ayay-ayay-ay" (and boy-yoy-yoys, of course) much the same percentage of "For Your Pleasure" -- highlighted by Judy D's archly mysterious "You don't ask whyyy ..." for the sake of brevity, I'll skip several great albums and get to: the intro to "More than This": pure, swirling, elegant, dreamy romance. It melts my cynical heart every time. The shimmering synth part of "True to Life" -- which is now forever associated with a view of sunlight glinting off of the waters of Puget Sound, watched at sunset from a hillside in Seattle. There wasn't anything significant about that evening -- it's just one of those moments in life that gets etched in memory. The intro to "Is Your Love Strong Enough" and the chorus as well -- an underrated, oft-forgotten work, but a powerful and painfully forlorn song. And it wasn't even put on an album. Silly, silly Bryan. The bassline of "I put a Spell on You" -- darkly dangerously seductive. Mmm, yes please. And finally: the simple sax line that comes floating in near the end of "Mamouna." Sublime. There, that's enough adjectives for one message. S. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:40:30 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay I wrote: [ I, too, have written Ebay's 'fraud unit' only to find it > useless. Ebay claims the onus is with the owner of the > violated copyright to make claim. I am not aware of any > recourse there is for A-listers who object to this > profiteering. Really, I'm disgusted. ] You returned: "If you can't stand that someone makes money out of it, then you're right, that irritates me too. " I'm very glad to see we share some common ground on this issue! I don't understand what the rest of your rant is about - I have only addressed the issue of gross profiteering on Ebay of stolen material, nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps you would be so good as to explain your issues with me in a non hostile response. "Give me break, a lot of people on this list owe a copy of alphaville or/and horoscope. Most of them got it as a present or for the cost of the cd and the poststamps. Has anyone refused to receive a copy because it's illegal? No! What do you think, that BF started those hidden trees? Again: no, both bought for a lot of money on ebay and spread among fans. I can't see much of a problem in it. The people who buy or got it will buy it again when it will be officially released, remastered, in cardboard sleeves etc. ... On the other hand the people who buy it will be very happy and start to make their copies. If you really can't stand it: there are two options; if you've got a copy be honest and sent $20 to ferry, (Bryan Ferry, Little Bognor, England will do) or better sell thousands of copies through ebay for $25 dollar, keep 5 for the cost and sent what's left to Ferry." Really, Han, what is your problem with me? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:40:12 EST From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay I too, sent an email to their fraud unit. They let the auction continue, and the last one ended the other day at $113.00. Unbelievable!! Heidi [ I, too, have written Ebay's 'fraud unit' only to find it > useless. Ebay claims the onus is with the owner of the > violated copyright to make claim. I am not aware of any > recourse there is for A-listers who object to this > profiteering. Really, I'm disgusted. ] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:53:33 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me 'a ferryland where no one else could enter ...' avalon is an album i still like, though - i have to say that ... overall, if there's one 'roxy' [ahem] album wherein i'd like to change almost everything production-wise ... well, this'd be it. MTT ... ws more of a song i saw _much_ in at the time ('82-ish or so). having said that, TACWM is one of my more favorite songs on 'avalon'. [however, my personal fave is 'true to life' - can't beat that, IMO. would have died to have heard it on the roxy '01 tour]. TACWM is at once exotic, haunting and then _completely_ poppy ... TACWM weaves through a classic ferryesque scene. the world-weary scar-rific lover. i love the line 'heaven knows i believe' - wherein ferry's tone belies a lot of self-doubt [IMO]. on the other hand there's a great one in, 'i was blind, can't you see?'. i'd say most of the catalog is pretty rich in double-entendres ... i too dig the intro, though i'm not sure it would have sounded like that in '72. to my mind, avalon suffers from a lot of too-slick, sleek-as-can-be production values. enough so that it takes away from the *songs* (most of which are quite good, btw). my take is that early-mid roxy was dead-on sophistication combined with that edgy experimental quality. while you've got the former here, the latter is gone ... and that doesn't have to be bad per se [though you've got the beginning of the hard-shell veneered thunderdome of the layers-of-sound, which seemed to put mr. ferry in the studio permanently, and perfectionistically (sure, that's a word ...)]. that in itself isn't bad either (witness 'mamouna'), but i think a lot of the really interesting instrumentation on this album is hopelessly lost in the mix. on the other hand, what a great contrast - hubbard & manzanera. great bass line weighing it down just so. yet the keyboards on this; yeesh - especially the 'tinkertoy' tinny refrain after each line in the chorus. personally, i would have used a harpsichord, but that's just me. even in the ending notes, it seems an organ makes an appearance - only to disappear just as quickly. but great ending guitar line, weaving rhythm. yum. btw, was 'true to life' ever played live? anyone? ms <-----Original Message-----> >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >Take A Chance With Me far surpasses More Than This & Avalon for me. I have >never been that keen on the better known singles from the Avalon album. >Back to TACWM, the intro for me is Roxy Music (the album) 10 years on. If >Bryan and co had 10 years recording experience etc in 1972 this is how many >of the instrumental passages on the debut album would have sounded. _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:26:51 +0000 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: Re: [AVALON] No Bryan on BBC.... >Oh,no,Bryan's interview on the BBC tomorrow morning >has been cancelled as soon as it was announced! 'unforseen circumstances'...........J-Lo! Shame.. but she was a nice aesthetic alternative early in the morning! Duncan. >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:32:21 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Just Another High After mighty Martin Stockmans mail about heroin references in Frantic a few months back, I was wondering about any other drug references in Ferrys work, and perhaps slanderously its relationship to his life. My list so far: Love is The Drug Hiroshima... Just Another High(?) Anyone want to add to the list? Jonathan n/p Roxy Music 'Dance Away' (Is he lighting a spliff at the start?) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:46:48 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: a kiss is still a kiss - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Whitney To: nigelhollis@europeanmarine.co.uk Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: a kiss is still a kiss That lyric is from "As Time Goes By" which Ferry did not write. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:03:07 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: She Sells, He Sells, We Sell, They Sell..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Whitney To: kbporte@attglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: She Sells, He Sells, We Sell, They Sell..... Come on now and give me a break! Music is about fantasy! Why would this list even exist if it were not? And it has consumed to some extent each person that is a part of this list. A thread of solidarity entwines us, our fascination with a musician, his music and words. Call it rapture or obsession, but please call a spade a spade! Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:03:29 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: the daily grind - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Whitney To: Colleen Matan Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: the daily grind Of course most of us all know that the "daily grind" is the 9-5 or 8-6, the grimacing work day, but since the 50's it's coffee! That you need to face the daily grind. It's part of the American make-up. Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:10:56 -0000 From: "Martin Wilkinson" Subject: [AVALON] "Slave to love" in Polanski film It's probably been documented before, but I was watching Roman Polanski's "Bitter Moon" last night (insomnia!) and during a party scene towards the end they played Slave to Love. It was quite appropriate given the story, but what surprised me was that they had gone to the trouble of either recording a cover versioin, or usinhg a cover version instead of the original. Anyone know whether it was recorded just for the film or was an existing cover version? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:23:10 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay From: "KB Porter" > I wrote: > [ I, too, have written Ebay's 'fraud unit' only to find it > > useless. Ebay claims the onus is with the owner of the > > violated copyright to make claim. I am not aware of any > > recourse there is for A-listers who object to this > > profiteering. Really, I'm disgusted. ] > > You returned: > "If you can't stand that someone makes money out of it, then > you're right, that irritates me too. " > > > I'm very glad to see we share some common ground on this > issue! I don't understand what the rest of your rant is > about - I have only addressed the issue of gross > profiteering on Ebay of stolen material, nothing more, > nothing less. Perhaps you would be so good as to explain > your issues with me in a non hostile response. Although it's hard for me to imagine that it is difficult to understand I will give it another try.... The people who write to ebay to complain about people selling stolen material forget that they have that stolen material in their own hands . They got it because it was bought from ebay for a lot of money. If you owe a copy and I know you do, what gives you the right to write to ebay and don't you give others the chance to get a copy of it and enjoy it? If the reason is that you find it's a shame that someone makes a lot of money start your three on ebay and make it cheaper. If you got a problem Ferry won't get his money be honest and sent the money for each illegal cd you've got. > Really, Han, what is your problem with me? No problem with you, I've got a problem with moral superiority. Han > Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:21:42 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Another High In a message dated 27/02/2003 17:33:17 GMT Standard Time, KWil632057@aol.com writes: > After mighty Martin Stockmans mail about heroin references in Frantic a few > months back, I was wondering about any other drug references in Ferrys > work, > and perhaps slanderously its relationship to his life. > > My list so far: > > Love is The Drug > Hiroshima... > Just Another High(?) > What goes on ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:39:25 -0500 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Another High Well, yes, Jonathan...here's another... and it's one of my favorite's: Casanova....."Now you're flirting with heroin-or is it cocaine?" Best, Maggie >From: KWil632057@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Just Another High >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:32:21 EST > >After mighty Martin Stockmans mail about heroin references in Frantic a few >months back, I was wondering about any other drug references in Ferrys >work, >and perhaps slanderously its relationship to his life. > >My list so far: > >Love is The Drug >Hiroshima... >Just Another High(?) > >Anyone want to add to the list? > >Jonathan > >n/p Roxy Music 'Dance Away' (Is he lighting a spliff at the start?) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:49:17 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Luke Cresswell Just a bit player, but if anyone is interested in the whereabouts of Luke Cresswell, who played percussion on NYC (Mamouna), here's an article. Paula http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/cb_headline.cgi?&story_file=bw.022703/230 585438&directory=/google&header_file=header.htm&footer_file= ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:49:26 -0500 From: "eRacerX" Subject: [AVALON] : Alphaville on Ebay currently $0.33 ....quite a good deal. Someone GAVE me my copy of Alphaville, (thanks again, you-know-who-you-are) and I GAVE it to two other friends. I work with someone who has GIVEN me at least ten live shows of other bands I admire, and a couple I was previously unfamiliar with. I 've given a few of them to my brother-in-law, and another friend. Should we all go straight to jail? Or start stuffing envelopes? Who on this list doesn't own something slightly illegal? How about those 'promo only not for sale' items? As far as punishing those who buy and sell .... do whatever makes you happy. But you will have to pry my Alphaville from my cold, dead hands. Unless of course, it's Mr. Ferry who comes over to get it in person, then I'll burn him a copy, also. On a lighter note, it's snowing like hell here in Virginia, which reminds me of one of my favorite links: http://www.tarleton.edu/~polisci/Calvin.html (also a copyright violation, I'm sure) - H. NP Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians - Fegmania (MP3) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:13:18 -0500 From: "M" Subject: [AVALON] London show I'm heading to the UK tomorrow evening. I look forward to seeing some of you again at the show on Monday! Need to pack.... M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There was a young woman called M Who sat on Viggo Mortensen * He said, "Well M, my dear!" "Your waist brings such cheer" "I'll not look at another again!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * A real-life event! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:10:26 -0500 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] Re: surreal Roxy moments (was Take a Chance With Me) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Taylor To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me and let me add to these excellent examples: the staccatic drumming that appears out of nowhere in If There Is Something Andy's sax solo in If There Is Something the intro to Beauty Queen Phil's guitar solo in Beauty Queen Dame Judi Dench's "Don't ask why...." near the end of For Your Pleasure the segueway from the fast part to the slower part in Mother of Pearl the segueway from Mother of Pearl to Sunset Keith NP: Window Open / The Stratford 4 There are certain snippets of certain songs which cause me to shiver. A sound causing a physical effect can be a little strange, I know, but it happens. Examples; the synth. solo in Editions of you; the repeated piano chords in the middle eight of 'Beauty Queen'; the backing vocals and Andy Mac's sax in 'Bitters End'; ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:57:53 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Another High Now you're flirting with heroin or is it cocaine? (Casanova) Heatherita On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:32:21 EST, KWil632057 wrote > After mighty Martin Stockmans mail about heroin references in > Frantic a few months back, I was wondering about any other drug > references in Ferrys work, and perhaps slanderously its relationship > to his life. > > My list so far: > > Love is The Drug > Hiroshima... > Just Another High(?) > > Anyone want to add to the list? > > Jonathan > > n/p Roxy Music 'Dance Away' (Is he lighting a spliff at the start?) > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:49:27 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Casanova was Just Another High That Casanova is a dig att Eno getting all the girls instead of Ferry is something we've covered before. Eno wrote Black Frank which he admitted afterwards can be seen as a comment on Ferry, Eno said in an interview that he dislikes drugs in the studio (he seldom stands on a stage) because everything takes so much longer with drugs involved. NP my current hero Badly drawn boy Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #57 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest