From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #56 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 08 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Freud/Ferry ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] The Oldest Profession In The World??? [KB Porter ] [AVALON] test--I'm sorry [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Freud/Ferry ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Fw: the daily grind [KB Porter ] [AVALON] TSOTW (Was She Sells) [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] TSOTW (Was She Sells) [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay ["Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Freud/Ferry "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", Freud "a kiss is still a kiss", Ferry N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:28:23 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Oldest Profession In The World??? Richard wrote: "She Sells is about seduction, personally, as Media and as a commodity." I agree! Marketing 101 clearly teaches 'products and services exist because they satisfy needs and demands'. The oldest profession IS marketing!!! She sells because he needs (note that 'she' and 'he' are euphemism for the idea of 'coupling' or 'interdependence' and is not gender specific in concept). He consumes her service while she consumes him in a variety of acts. Her 'daily grind' is really not much different than any other person's 'daily grind' - we are all working for a living, all a part of the 'machine' - a chain reaction that never stops - and when you tell me 'pass it on', I'll pass it on. Influential Cogs, One and All. The second oldest profession??? Physics! Power through, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:35:08 -0500 From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Freud/Ferry In an email dated Wed, 26 Feb 2003 1:44:07 pm GMT, "Nigel Hollis" writes: >"sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", Freud > >"a kiss is still a kiss", Ferry > >N. > "The only thing constantly changing is change, and it always changes for the worse"- Lou Reed. Goodie > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:45:09 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] She Sells, He Sells, We Sell, They Sell.... [ "Just What Is It That Makes Today's Lyric Interpreters, And Their Respondees, So Different, So Appealing?" (A. Toman. 2003) ] Could the answer be, 'Entertainment Reality' as coined by 'Joe Millionaire'? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:47:43 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sweet Tunes, Fast Beats and a Hard Edge [ The Grammys continue to add categories for more niches and subgenres in a delightfully futile quest that's something like mapping an amoeba. ] When asked how he felt about taking the award home in a new category, Robin Williams said, "It's like being voted the "Black and Decker People's Choice Award or something!" (Williams won best speaking or narrative comedy or something album of the year.) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:18:53 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: She Sells "This means all of the Song of the Week discussions will have to be revisited and re-cut to fit accordingly." Yes! Please, or is that Pleas! Reinstate TSOTW. I need - you sell. What! She sells seashells. You say, What! By the sea shore!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:13:38 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] test--I'm sorry the list is doing very weird things today and I need to try this calibration exercise. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:28:43 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Freud/Ferry Sure this isn't Groucho Marx or Clinton ? Han NP Monika Lewinsky- smoke dreams of you - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Hollis" To: "avalon digest" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: [AVALON] Freud/Ferry > "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", Freud > > "a kiss is still a kiss", Ferry > > N. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:12:19 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay "This item has come up a couple of times. I have e-mailed their "fraud unit" advising them it's stolen material (and probably a cd-r) but the last one sold for over $100 as I recall. Best Regards, Bruce" I, too, have written Ebay's 'fraud unit' only to find it useless. Ebay claims the onus is with the owner of the violated copyright to make claim. I am not aware of any recourse there is for A-listers who object to this profiteering. Really, I'm disgusted. Where is Ferry's management, is this something they might want to look into? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:15:17 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: the daily grind "Of course most of us all know that the "daily grind" is the 9-5 or 8-6, the grimacing work day, but since the 50's it's coffee! That you need to face the daily grind." Geez Louize! Bump and grind - SEX!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:25:29 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] TSOTW (Was She Sells) No! Don't restore TSOTW. The whole 'She Sells' strand has been the most interesting thing to appear on Avalon in months. TSOTW only serves to regiment what is talked about. Surely its far better to discuss as and when interest is piqued? Jonathan n/p Tatu 'Kiss and Tell' "This means all of the Song of the Week discussions will have to be revisited and re-cut to fit accordingly." Yes! Please, or is that Pleas! Reinstate TSOTW. I need - you sell. What! She sells seashells. You say, What! By the sea shore!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] TSOTW (Was She Sells) On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > No! Don't restore TSOTW. The whole 'She Sells' strand has been the most > interesting thing to appear on Avalon in months. > TSOTW only serves to regiment what is talked about. Surely its far better to > discuss as and when interest is piqued? Oh, give me a break already. The only thing "regiment[ed]" about that discussion--or any prior or subsequent discussion--was in your imagination. And if the traffic on the list is boring to you, please, introduce subjects of interest, germane to the list, and initiate interesting discussion. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:58:52 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay Give me break, a lot of people on this list owe a copy of alphaville or/and horoscope. Most of them got it as a present or for the cost of the cd and the poststamps. Has anyone refused to receive a copy because it's illegal? No! What do you think, that BF started those hidden trees? Again: no, both bought for a lot of money on ebay and spread among fans. I can't see much of a problem in it. The people who buy or got it will buy it again when it will be officially released, remastered, in cardboard sleeves etc. If you can't stand that someone makes money out of it, then you're right, that irritates me too. On the other hand the people who buy it will be very happy and start to make their copies. If you really can't stand it: there are two options; if you've got a copy be honest and sent $20 to ferry, (Bryan Ferry, Little Bognor, England will do) or better sell thousands of copies through ebay for $25 dollar, keep 5 for the cost and sent what's left to Ferry. Han > "This item has come up a couple of times. > I have e-mailed their "fraud unit" advising them it's stolen > material (and > probably a cd-r) > but the last one sold for over $100 as I recall. > Best Regards, > Bruce" > > I, too, have written Ebay's 'fraud unit' only to find it > useless. Ebay claims the onus is with the owner of the > violated copyright to make claim. I am not aware of any > recourse there is for A-listers who object to this > profiteering. Really, I'm disgusted. > > Where is Ferry's management, is this something they might > want to look into? > > Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:32:24 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] No Bryan on BBC.... Oh,no,Bryan's interview on the BBC tomorrow morning has been cancelled as soon as it was announced!JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:10:26 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay In a message dated 26/02/03 18:01:45 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: > Where is Ferry's management, is this something they might > want to look into? > > Best wishes. KBP > Maybe they don't want to open a can of worms. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:34:57 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] SOTW Ok Colleen break given, The bottom line dear is that the She Sells strand has garnered far more interest than the sotw did. Surely being part of the list is enough to be provoked into discussion? And if the traffic on the list is boring to you, please, introduce subjects of interest, germane to the list, and initiate interesting discussion. ... Well its not the gripping read it once was, but i'll try. Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:47:03 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] TSOTW (Was She Sells) At 13.31 -0500 03-02-26, Colleen Matan wrote: >And if the traffic on the list is boring to you, please, introduce >subjects of interest, germane to the list, and initiate interesting >discussion. Hear, hear, hear! I do this from time to time. Np The sound of silence in the cold winter night Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:45:56 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me Now that every laser in the CD players of the entire Roxy community have worn out tuning into She Sells the last wee while I thought I would mention one of my favourite later period songs/singles. Take A Chance With Me far surpasses More Than This & Avalon for me. I have never been that keen on the better known singles from the Avalon album. Not just because they are overplayed and on all those compilation albums etc. I was never that struck with those two tracks right from the beginning. Avalon has its moment of beauty with Yanicke's vocal at the fade out and MTT is just Ferry in the 4 minute pop mode, an area he has always said he is not comfortable with. I know there are many who find these 2 songs as some of his finest work, I can see why but they're for me. Back to TACWM, the intro for me is Roxy Music (the album) 10 years on. If Bryan and co had 10 years recording experience etc in 1972 this is how many of the instrumental passages on the debut album would have sounded. I could listen to that intro if it was 45 minutes long. The dual paced track is like Mother Of Pearl in reverse with the up tempo section after the slower intro. The interplay with Manzanera & Hubbard is the finest track I have heard them play together. Hubbard finds the bluesiest lick he knows when Ferry sings the line '..get so blue', is that as contrived as any poetic lyrics Ferry may have or have not intended to write? The lyrics in the second verse seem to overlap, is Ferry singing: People say I'm just a fool All the world, even you or is it: All the world, even you Should learn to love the way I do Having said all that, the live version during the Avalon tour suffered badly as the keyboard hook during the chorus was so low in the mix the song fell flat at the chorus instead of being lifted. J.O'B. (It's national 'why all the fuss about More Than This' day in the O'Brien household) N.P. Neil Hubbard Diamond Head the Newmark 2003 mix ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me - --- OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > People say I'm just a fool > All the world, even you > > or is it: > > All the world, even you > Should learn to love the way I do I never spotted the first possibility, I always got the second interpretation. Interesting! Take A Chance With Me is sublime. It's in my top 25 favorite tracks of all artists. However, I disagree about the opening - I think it could have been shortened slightly. Aparently the single (US only?) had a shortened intro, but an extended lyric section. Never heard that one, though. Is the single version available on CD? compilation? Ferry gives a good performance, but the star has to be Manzanera. I love the guitar riff just after "i was blind, can't you see?". Very melancholic. . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:13:03 -0600 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay >From: "Han Snijders" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Alphaville on Ebay >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:58:52 +0100 > If you can't stand that someone makes money out of it, then you're right, that irritates me too. On the other hand the people who buy it will be very happy and start to make their copies. If you really can't stand it: there are two options; if you've got a copy be honest and sent $20 to ferry, I think something like closer to a $1 per cd is about what most major label artists make, not $20:) So, only send Mr. Ferry a $1. I wonder how much he makes from when "Old Country Buffet" (all you can eat food establishment for you Non-US'ers) played "Don't Stop The Dance" tonight? Bye, Rod _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:36:32 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry sex fantasy Of course, when you wake up at exactly 2am and see a very young Hugh Grant watching Kristin Scott Thomas take part in a lesbian sex fantasy dance sequence with Polanski regular Emanuelle Seigner on the deck of an ocean liner, while a Chrissie Hynde voicealike sings Bryan Ferry's Slave to Love, one questions whether one was really awake at all. But I have checked my facts and sure enough Roman Polanski's Bitter Moon was screened by Channel 4 this morning and the scene I describe takes place at about 10 minutes from the end. The song is credited to Danny Garcy but, as he plays the bandleader in the movie, I think it's not him singing. Maybe Chrissie Hynde does handle the vocals? Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Ed Harcourt - From Every Sphere ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 02:38:28 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Production thoughts With the PRODUCTION thread ongoing, I dug out a brochure that was issued with For Your Pleasure. Thought y'all might be innerested. I'm not a typist so this is a bit abbreviated. Eno is interviewed by a Richard Robinson, "electronics editor of CREEM magazine". It makes Eno sound like the brains of the outfit which must have galled Ferry no end. It goes song by song thru the album commenting on how the tracks were recorded. Do the Strand: No bass, bassline is a synth, Guitar fed thru a fuzz box to a Revox tape recorder, and bounced from track to track with some synth in the middle, + loops underneath, throughout. Beauty Queen: Some double tracking of instruments, but largely played straight on a 16 track machine. Strictly Confidential: Phil's Guitar is run thru the famous Frippatronics, i.e., two tape recorders, one on record, the other with the same tape on play. The original sounds on the left speaker, the playback on the right. ADT automatic dual tracking. Editions of You: Essentially recorded "live" with only the vocal overdubbed no panning in the mix, essentially a MONO recording. "this & Virginia Plain ...well mono is an effect in itself" In Every Dreamhome...:essentially strait recording till the ending where the guitar is run thru the synth then onto a tape machine where the speed is changed, so 2 guitars come out & contrast with each other, instead of combining. The Bogus Man: The guitars given a single echo which is in time with the beat of the song. Everything Phil plays repeats and sounds like chords. Andy is playing Shoenbergian 12 scale on the sax, a cluster of 4 notes, played in 4 different ways. "Backwards, forwards, right side up, inside out," played spasmodically while being panned back & forth, between channels. Grey Lagoons: Piano harmonica and sax solos flow into each other. Echo added to the bass in the middle, in time to the beat. For Your Pleasure: Echo on the piano using the Revox.a piece of scotch tape on the capstand to throw off the tape speed, causing the sound to fluctuate, causing the piano to be out of tune with itself. combined with echo. later in the song the synth causes the piano to sound like drums. the drum /piano is moved from stereo to mono. at the end sound from the first Roxy album is added. (another sample shock! Mr. Reecy) The guitar solo is done with "the exact same equipment as Duane Eddy's "Rebbel Rouser". Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:47:45 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me Choosing between TACWM and MTT for me, is too difficult. However, as I sit here in the silence of my office, I find that I can remember the music from MTT, but not from TACWM. Only the vocals from TACWM come to mind. Everytime I look out at a magnificent view, MTT starts playing in my mind. It happened last week on a clear day as I looked out over the Erhus Bay. MTT is reserved for those moments. (Now I am about to start looking at some perl code, so maybe "Mother of Pearl" will come to mind). Heather On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:45:56 EST, OBrienFerry wrote > Back to TACWM, the intro for me is Roxy Music (the album) 10 years > on. If Bryan and co had 10 years recording experience etc in 1972 > this is how many of the instrumental passages on the debut album > would have sounded. I could listen to that intro if it was 45 > minutes long. The dual paced track is like Mother Of Pearl in > reverse with the up tempo section after the slower intro. The > interplay with Manzanera & Hubbard is the finest track I have heard > them play together. Hubbard finds the bluesiest lick he knows when > Ferry sings the line '..get so blue', is that as contrived as any > poetic lyrics Ferry may have or have not intended to write? > > The lyrics in the second verse seem to overlap, is Ferry singing: > > People say I'm just a fool > All the world, even you > > or is it: > > All the world, even you > Should learn to love the way I do > > Having said all that, the live version during the Avalon tour > suffered badly as the keyboard hook during the chorus was so low in > the mix the song fell flat at the chorus instead of being lifted. > > J.O'B. > > (It's national 'why all the fuss about More Than This' day in the > O'Brien household) > > N.P. Neil Hubbard Diamond Head the Newmark 2003 mix > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:10:32 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Take A Chance With Me I used an A-ball character on my Danish keyboard. But it came out as an "E". That should have been "Aarhus Bay". Weird. Heather On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:47:45 +0100, Heather Buch wrote >It happened last week on a clear day as I looked out over the > Erhus Bay. MTT is reserved for those moments. > > (Now I am about to start looking at some perl code, so maybe "Mother > of Pearl" will come to mind). > > Heather > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:45:56 EST, OBrienFerry wrote > > > Back to TACWM, the intro for me is Roxy Music (the album) 10 years > > on. If Bryan and co had 10 years recording experience etc in 1972 > > this is how many of the instrumental passages on the debut album > > would have sounded. I could listen to that intro if it was 45 > > minutes long. The dual paced track is like Mother Of Pearl in > > reverse with the up tempo section after the slower intro. The > > interplay with Manzanera & Hubbard is the finest track I have heard > > them play together. Hubbard finds the bluesiest lick he knows when > > Ferry sings the line '..get so blue', is that as contrived as any > > poetic lyrics Ferry may have or have not intended to write? > > > > The lyrics in the second verse seem to overlap, is Ferry singing: > > > > People say I'm just a fool > > All the world, even you > > > > or is it: > > > > All the world, even you > > Should learn to love the way I do > > > > Having said all that, the live version during the Avalon tour > > suffered badly as the keyboard hook during the chorus was so low in > > the mix the song fell flat at the chorus instead of being lifted. > > > > J.O'B. > > > > (It's national 'why all the fuss about More Than This' day in the > > O'Brien household) > > > > N.P. Neil Hubbard Diamond Head the Newmark 2003 mix > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Heather Buch > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #56 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest