From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #53 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 24 2003 Volume 08 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry related story from today's Sunday Mail [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] favourites [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] SV: [AVALON] favourites [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= ] Re: [AVALON] favourites [Karen Swenson ] [AVALON] music videos [Joel Hurd ] Re: [AVALON] are you reading me? ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] favourites ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] are you reading me? ["Heather Buch" ] [AVALON] ROXY SAMPLED SHOCK ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS [Netpath User dmsltz ] Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Fw: She Sells ["Karin Whitney" ] Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["Paula Brown" ] Fw: [AVALON] Production thoughts ["Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry related story from today's Sunday Mail - --- Colette Robertson > JEAN TEESE is a devoted fan of superstar Bryan > Ferry... but buying tickets to > see his next Scottish gig tested her loyalty. > It took her more than ONE HOUR on the phone - at a > cost of #16.05 - to buy > tickets to see him at Glasgow Academy on March 27. > She bought four #27.50 I've noticed recently that the telephone numbers for booking tickets at the Manchester Apollo have also changed from a local rate number to a "premium" rate number (which connects to Ticketmaster). Everything seems to be run by ticket agencies now. The days of queuing up at the venue to get the best tickets also seem to have gone (the Manchester Apollo used to have a policy of selling the first two rows of seats to personal callers only) A prime example of this are the people who queued at the Manchester Arena for McCartney tickets, some may have been there for hours but went away empty handed as tickets sold out via the internet within 30 minutes. Ticket agencies also sometimes offer "pre-sale" tickets which invariably turn out not to be the best seats, people still end up "pre-booking" for fear of not getting a ticket. Invariably the best way to save cash is to buy direct from the venue in person. Incidently, as a comparison "premium" "VIP" McCartney tickets were a whopping #75 each (without booking fee)compared to Ferrys ticket price of approx #27.50. Aleks Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:59:23 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] 45TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS - - 45TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS - Newcomer Has a Big Night Norah Jones was the big winner on Sunday night. Our coverage of the awards includes a slide show and audio samples from the winners. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/24/arts/music/24GRAM.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:22:18 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] favourites So what are your thoughts on "What Goes On", this is a VU track I believe. Terry "O" > > And yes, cover versions. > I'm okay with most of BF's cover versions apart from the one I keep > mentioning, "All tomorrow's parties". If I had never heard the original, it > would probably okay, I prefer Bryan's version to Japan's, but I still avoid > listening to Bryan's version as much as possible. Now I'll shut up about > this. > Goodie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:37:48 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS The thing I love best about Ferrys cover albums is that they lead me to fantastic songs I might not otherwise discover. Here's just a few: Where or When Sympathy for the Devil Lets Stick Together Goodnight Irene It Ain't Me Babe (include all the Dylan covers here, I don't own a Dylan album & still have no intention of buying one, great songs though). Will you still love me tomorrow? The ultimate Miss Otis Regrets. This is a under 3 minute song of cinematic splendour, telling the story of a fallen woman, the act of betrayal & her lynching is incredible. I was surprised to find I already had this song in my collection by Ella Fitzgerald, but I have to say Ferrys version is way better. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:22:05 -0500 From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] favourites In an email dated Mon, 24 Feb 2003 9:22:18 am GMT, "terrypaulrigz8c" writes: >So what are your thoughts on "What Goes On", this is a VU track I believe. > I'm okay with that, in fact I quite like Bryan's version (not as much as the original, but it definitely does not make me reach for the off-button). Thanks for reminding me, I hadn't listened to that for a while, will be getting it out tonight. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:27:38 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts Subject: [AVALON] Production thoughts > I've been listening to a lot of older music lately, and it seems to me that > music production had pretty much reached 99% state of the art by 1973. Any > thoughts? > > Paula What about the advent of Digital & 48/56 track recording of the 80s. We would never have had B&Gs/Bete Noire/Horoscope/Mamouna or even Country Life as I think that was on the "new" 24 track in '74. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:00:17 -0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: SV: [AVALON] Production thoughts > I've been listening to a lot of older music lately, and it seems to me that > music production had pretty much reached 99% state of the art by 1973. Any > thoughts? Paula I disagree!! I think the only thing that has improved since the 70's & 80's is the production itself. Today the production is very often the most important thing. Usually more important than the melody. Many of the top-hits today sound brilliant, but there's not much more to it. ...and it bores me so! I'm so glad we have a few groups that are still innovative. A group like King Crimson continues to release uncommercial cds, with fresh, new music that nobody's ever heard before. Some of it is beautiful, some of it demanding, some of it not very good at all. They don't try to make hits, they only make their own music. They are about to release a new cd now, and I'm so curious. I think our Bryan still has a little of that attitude left. There are always elements of experimentation on his albums, often elegantly integrated in his arrangements / compositions, so that many people never discovers it. But it is there! That's one of the reasons why I never get bored with much of his stuff. Back to productions for a short while. I think almost all the Ferry / Roxy albums have a very nice production. They are clear and definite, with a lot of nice details. I remeber that I thought Manifesto was way ahead of everybody else when it was released. I also had a very good feeling for the Mamouna-production. And of course the first really multi-track (wasn't it 24-tracks?) album Avalon. Nothing sounded like them at the time. Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:10:45 -0500 From: "eRacerX" Subject: [AVALON] VU favorites re: "All Tomorrow's Parties", "What Goes On" NO ONE has covered VU to my personal satisfaction, but that may be due to my summer of '1969 live', while my friends were grooving to the Dead. I do like Ferry's "What Goes On", however. It made a good single. - H. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:07:42 -0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: SV: [AVALON] favourites "> >So what are your thoughts on "What Goes On", this is a VU track I believe. Terry" Lou Reed liked it a lot. I think he even told Bryan so. Ole ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] are you reading me? > From: "Heather Buch" > The "daily grind" - the chocolate grinder, right? The "same machine" > could be the machine in "the large glass", the bride stripped > bare...clever! And "Made-up lies", that's a bit of social marxist > criticism of the commodification of people, beauty and entertainment. > That's what I love about Roxy (and also Gang of Four, another British > art school band who studied under marxist art critic T.J. Clark). They > know that we consume each other, we work to consume and then consume > entertainment and images. But they don't sing so overtly about it. > Instead, they play along and make the images and the glamour. Roxy's > image of glamour is the object of desire that we commodify, and that is > what makes it so delicious. But it's also a reflexive image - it sees > the shortcomings of the system that creates it, but doesn't make us > suffer through the soapbox speeches about these systems. Ah yes, Roxy Music, and most especially Bryan Ferry, those philosopher kings disguised as rock-n-roll stars. When you think about it, they were probably the most subversive "social marxists" of all time. Never mind the messages hidden in the lyrics, constantly mocking the capitalist status quo and secretly inciting us to bring down the state (whilst wearing nice clothes and stopping in at the record store to first buy the latest Roxy single)--no, no. Mr. Ferry was far more crafty than that. He immediately made the ultimate sacrifice: he gave up his working class life, with all its comforts and :realness: and suffered, for the good of us--and, indeed, for the good of all humanity--to take upon himself the burdens of the upper class. Those handmade suits, hobnobbing with the royals the night before Diana's wedding, the endless procession of socialite weddings he attended with Lucy (documented to show his pain in _Vogue_, _Town and Country_, _Bazaar_, &tc.), the beautiful homes: all merely a cover for the consumption that he wanted to save us all from. A mute, yet elegant, cry against the meaningless of life. Like the swan robbed of its cry. The true measure of his, and Roxy's subversive genius: convincing us to shell out big bucks for the reunion tour. Now, in retrospect, I see it all so clearly. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:32:57 -0600 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] favourites terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > So what are your thoughts on "What Goes On", this is a VU track I > believe. Ferry's cover is pretty good, but it's the video that's a total hoot, what was he thinking!? Always reminds me of a rejected outtake from the Tony Orlando & Dawn show, or the Osmond siblings' similar cheesy TV fare. Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Hurd Subject: [AVALON] music videos - --- Karen Swenson wrote: > terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > > > So what are your thoughts on "What Goes On", this > > is a VU track I believe. > > Ferry's cover is pretty good, but it's the video > that's a total hoot, what was he thinking!? Always > reminds me of a rejected outtake from the Tony > Orlando & Dawn show, or the Osmond siblings' similar > cheesy TV fare. *** Speaking of music videos, the best IMO are: *** Avalon -- full of imagery, and the guys look dapper. Kiss And Tell -- cheesy neon lighting, but still great. Limbo -- mysterious shadows and 'nude' dancing girls! *** And the worst music videos are: *** More Than This -- Manzo and Mackay are just shadows!!! Same Old Scene -- fine, but whitesout BEFORE IT'S OVER! Mamouna -- a mess. Ferry is obscured. Telling perhaps. And off-topic, I recommend the music video to Junior Senior's 'Move Your Feet'! It's brilliant! . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:27:33 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] are you reading me? > She Sells is about seduction, personally, as Media and as a commodity.> Richard, Brilliant and right, as usual. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:27:39 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] favourites - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Swenson" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] favourites > but it's the video that's a total hoot, > what was he thinking!? Always reminds me of a rejected outtake from > the Tony Orlando & Dawn show, or the Osmond siblings' similar cheesy TV > fare. > > Karen Looks to me like he's borrowed Barry Gibbs beard & teeth!!!! Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:43:28 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] are you reading me? On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:27:45 -0500 (EST), Colleen Matan wrote > Ah yes, Roxy Music, and most especially Bryan Ferry, those > philosopher kings disguised as rock-n-roll stars. When you think > about it, they were probably the most subversive "social marxists" > of all time. Never mind the messages hidden in the lyrics, > constantly mocking the capitalist status quo and secretly inciting > us to bring down the state (whilst wearing nice clothes and stopping > in at the record store to first buy the latest Roxy single)--no, no. > Mr. Ferry was far more crafty than that. He immediately made the > ultimate sacrifice: he gave up his working class life, with all its > comforts and :realness: and suffered, for the good of us--and, > indeed, for the good of all humanity--to take upon himself the > burdens of the upper class. Those handmade suits, hobnobbing with > the royals the night before Diana's wedding, the endless procession > of socialite weddings he attended with Lucy (documented to show his > pain in _Vogue_, _Town and Country_, _Bazaar_, &tc.), the beautiful > homes: all merely a cover for the consumption that he wanted to > save us all from. A mute, yet elegant, cry against the meaningless > of life. Like the swan robbed of its cry. > > The true measure of his, and Roxy's subversive genius: convincing > us to shell out big bucks for the reunion tour. Now, in retrospect, > I see it all so clearly. > Yes, when you think about it, Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry are nothing but a bit leftist demonstration performance piece - a skillfully mocking double of the capitalist illusions around us - subgenii clad in handcrafted pink's clothing. Finally, we stripped the bride. Heather Colleen > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: > http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: > http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:43:28 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] ROXY SAMPLED SHOCK Am I the last to notice that if you listen to Gemini Moon, Ladytron's intro has been sampled on the left track for the first 15 seconds or so. Also as the track finishes there are some very early Eno synths, these may have sampled from Would You Believe? and re-worked. Anyone know for sure? Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:58:36 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts four names that spring to mind when discussing production values. Owen Bradley. George Martin. Eno. David Bowie. These four people more than any others seem to have brought us to highest we hear today, and I suppose its difficult to improve on Perfection. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: [AVALON] Production thoughts > I've been listening to a lot of older music lately, and it seems to me that > music production had pretty much reached 99% state of the art by 1973. Any > thoughts? > > Paula > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] ROXY SAMPLED SHOCK - --- terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > Am I the last to notice that if you listen to Gemini > Moon, Ladytron's intro > has been sampled on the left track for the first 15 > seconds or so. Also as the > track finishes there are some very early Eno synths, > these may have sampled > from Would You Believe? and re-worked. Anyone know > for sure? > Yes, there's a few around - Ladytron used on Gemini Moon, The Bob (Medley) used on Chain Reaction, and True To Life used on the unreleased You Can Dance. Add to this the slowed down and retreated footsteps from Love Is The Drug, used on San Simeon. I've been listening to a recent album by Sunna, called 'One Minute Silence' (excellent it is too !) and 'Sultanesque' is sampled heavily on the first single release from the Album, called 'O.D.'. Reecey... Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:37:59 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: << telling the story of a fallen woman, the act of betrayal & her lynching is incredible. >> I think it's more about the "ladies who lunch" who are all aquiver, telling the sordid but juicy story. See also Well, Did You Ever, another Cole Porter song. No doubt Porter was curious what "society" would say about the details of his life, should the hetero fabrications of the Night and Day bio-pic be revealed. Supposedly: lame from a riding accident, he ended up with an hunky but abusive "companion", who would make Porter crawl around on the floor for him. Something I'd imagine educated fleas would never do, much less birds and bees. Always hated Miss Otis, especially BF's version. Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:40:55 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS Miss Otis, sung with fantasitc depth and feeling by Kirsty McCall IS Brilliant....not to keen on the Ferry version but its OK. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS > terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > > << telling the story of a fallen woman, the act of betrayal & her > lynching is incredible. >> > > I think it's more about the "ladies who lunch" who are all aquiver, telling > the sordid but juicy story. > See also Well, Did You Ever, another Cole Porter song. > > No doubt Porter was curious what "society" would say about the details of his > life, should the hetero fabrications of the Night and Day bio-pic be revealed. > > Supposedly: lame from a riding accident, he ended up with an hunky but > abusive "companion", who would make Porter crawl around on the floor for him. > Something I'd imagine educated fleas would never do, much less birds and bees. > > Always hated Miss Otis, especially BF's version. > > > Regards R Deagle > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:57:39 -0000 From: Netpath User dmsltz Subject: Re: [AVALON] COVER VERSIONS Bette Midler covered it rather decently too... way back when she was still the Divine Miss M (before she transformed into a bland MOR cookie-cutter Disney Diva) but I still like Bryan's version best. Mark Yates said: > Miss Otis, > sung with fantasitc depth and feeling by Kirsty McCall > IS Brilliant....not to keen on the Ferry version but its OK. > Mark - -- Netpath User dmsltz ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:09:53 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > four names that spring to mind when discussing production values. > Owen Bradley. > George Martin. > Eno. > David Bowie. > These four people more than any others seem to have brought us to highest we > hear today, and I suppose its difficult to improve on Perfection. > Mark For Bowie substitute Tony Visconti. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:34:48 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts No Tom. I was thinking of the albums that played with and invigorated sound, that made everyone listen and set new standards such as. LOW HEROES BUDDHA OUTSIDE EARTHLING HOURS. All of which Tony took second billing or took no part at all in production. you keep trying Tom .............!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "thom.wallace" To: "Avalon" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Yates" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > > > > four names that spring to mind when discussing production values. > > Owen Bradley. > > George Martin. > > Eno. > > David Bowie. > > These four people more than any others seem to have brought us to highest > we > > hear today, and I suppose its difficult to improve on Perfection. > > Mark > > For Bowie substitute Tony Visconti. > > Tom. > > You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:33:55 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Grammys Can't remember who wanted to see B. Springsteen with members of Clash. Hope they were watching last night. Was so happy to see Norah Jones win all her 5 nominations. Here in Dallas everyone was rooting for her. She was born in NY. fathered by Ravi Shankar came to Dallas at the age of 4. Played around here at places before she really got known. I thought on a whole this was a better show than last yr. BTW old Rod was just a presenter. Bryan has really got to be out there if he wants in any category again to be running for a Grammy next yr. Possible but not Probable!!!!!!!! Marlana................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:44:43 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > No Tom. > I was thinking of the albums that played with and invigorated sound, that > made everyone listen and set new standards > such as. > LOW > HEROES > BUDDHA > OUTSIDE > EARTHLING > HOURS. > All of which Tony took second billing or took no part at all in production. > you keep trying Tom .............!!!! Low and Heroes were interesting at the time, but now sound pretty dated, as for the other albums you list I don't rate any of them. You obviously rate Bowie pretty highly, I don't so I'm afraid you'll just have to live with it. Just as you have the right to sing the praises of Bowie I have the right to state my view. I reckon he did two great albums in the early seventies (Ziggy & Alladin) plus some really enjoyable singles around the same time, other than that he's produced passable material and in some cases some pretty naff material. That's my view of Bowie, your view is obviously different, but not any more valid then mine. As for "keeping trying" I'm not trying anything I'm stating my point of view, if you don't like that well too bad. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:01:37 -0800 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] What we came here for I've never met any of you personally. Though I feel I know a few of you anyways. We have our favorite songs. We have our least favorite songs. Sometimes we disagree. Sometimes we let our bruised egos get in the way and it even gets ugly. However we should not lose sight of why we came here in the first place. We are all the same in that regard. We love the music. We love the message it conveys. I hope this doesn't sound like to trite of a reminder. Running out of time. NP Roxy Music Same Old Scene. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:12:50 -0800 From: "Karin Whitney" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: She Sells - ----- Original Message ----- From: Karin Whitney To: hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: She Sells Dissecting and delving into song lyrics is always tricky, so many possible interpretations. Traditionally, "the daily grind" refers to coffee or cafe; as can't live without it. Auto-erotic, lingerie is a gift wrap; a sensualist, in a constant sexual state of being whose "lingerie" is an enticement or added attraction for the real gift that lies underneath, the promise of sexual gratification and satisfaction. Slip it to me, 9-5; lets make love all day long! Made-up lies, make up my mind; a restless imagination? One that yearns for what it wants to be true? I'm sure you recognize the endless possibilities! But what fun to attempt to decipher! The intangible dreams we relive when waking, Karin ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:09:25 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > No Tom. > I was thinking of the albums that played with and invigorated sound, that > made everyone listen and set new standards > such as. > LOW > HEROES > BUDDHA > OUTSIDE > EARTHLING > HOURS. Sorry but 'hours....' sounds like a good quality demo disc and as for Earthling, like Flesh & Blood great production, but the quality of the songwriting just doesn't compare to Low or 'Heroes'. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: She Sells > From: "Heather Buch" > The "daily grind" - the chocolate grinder, right? The "same machine" > could be the machine in "the large glass", the bride stripped On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Karin Whitney wrote: > possible interpretations. Traditionally, "the daily grind" refers to > coffee or cafe; as can't live without it. Auto-erotic, lingerie is a OK, I've been holding my tongue on this, but now I gotta say it. "The daily grind" is not about coffee or chocolate (?). Or monkeys or organs, for that matter. It is a metaphor and an action entwined with something necessary to life, but it's not coffee--that's a function of the Starbuckization of the world over the last 10 years. The daily grind is a metaphor for the banality of life, of the drudgery that many face. It has its roots in the fact that prior to there being a Safeway or a Tesco on every corner, every day grain or rice had to be ground for (the daily) bread, and in ancient times, that bread was over half, and as much as 3/4 of your sustenance. It was necessary, inescapable, life-sustaining, and a daily chore. The line is put in context by the fact Ferry refers to the standard workday of a great many of those toiling in offices: > Nine till five/the daily grind Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:06:13 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts I love it that you include Owen Bradley! Paula From: "Mark Yates" > Owen Bradley. > George Martin. > Eno. > David Bowie. > These four people more than any others seem to have brought us to highest we > hear today, and I suppose its difficult to improve on Perfection. > Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:23:04 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts Someone wrote earlier about 24-track recording. I agree it was a big innovation, but I view it more as a tool which greatly facilitated the process of production more than one which greatly improved the sound. Of course, that is strictly speaking from a personal standpoint, and it's true I don't tend to like extremely heavily layered works as much as some people do. As far as facilitating production, the last few years of computer technology have enabled people to be able to afford and operate wonderful home studios, which could certainly be a great boon to music as well, and there's some incredible software out there for music writing. Anything is possible in the near future, which is very exciting, I think! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:23:29 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Production thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: "thom.wallace" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > Tom I really coudn't care less about your opinions of Bowie. > I'm sure the great man will survive without your support. > The chain was about production....what are your views on it Tom rather than > contradicitng me. > Lets hear of your choice in the production of music. > Mark > From: "thom.wallace" > To: "Avalon" ; "Mark Yates" > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Yates" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Production thoughts > > > > > > > No Tom. > > > I was thinking of the albums that played with and invigorated sound, > that > > > made everyone listen and set new standards > > > such as. > > > LOW > > > HEROES > > > BUDDHA > > > OUTSIDE > > > EARTHLING > > > HOURS. > > > All of which Tony took second billing or took no part at all in > > production. > > > you keep trying Tom .............!!!! > > > > Low and Heroes were interesting at the time, but now sound pretty dated, > as > > for the other albums you list I don't rate any of them. You obviously rate > > Bowie pretty highly, I don't so I'm afraid you'll just have to live with > it. > > Just as you have the right to sing the praises of Bowie I have the right > to > > state my view. I reckon he did two great albums in the early seventies > > (Ziggy & Alladin) plus some really enjoyable singles around the same time, > > other than that he's produced passable material and in some cases some > > pretty naff material. That's my view of Bowie, your view is obviously > > different, but not any more valid then mine. As for "keeping trying" I'm > not > > trying anything I'm stating my point of view, if you don't like that well > > too bad. > > > > Tom. > > > > You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #53 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest